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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Kia ora linger &ndash; it was the word 'now'.<br />Ben thoughtfully or otherwise used the word 'now' which implied/implies to me he thinks it is a new happening.<br />I pointed out &ndash; it sure as shit isnt.<br />I thank you for your thoughtful ajudication BUT stand by my comments.<br />Ideally,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 19:45:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						... which is to say, I respect that both of you have genuinely-held positions, which I strongly suspect are not as much in conflict as it would appear.
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Dear Islander &mdash;<br />firstly &mdash; I am grateful that you are sharing your experience &amp; telling your story (however this was triggered);<br />but secondly &mdash; I think you may have misinterpreted or overreacted to Ben's message, which was simply "this is not how it should be, ideally" &mdash; which seems true…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:33:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:49:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>You seem to think this situation is new when it is a very old matter.<br />That thought is a stupidity.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:48:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I find your comments, in this personal context, fucking stupid.</q></p><p>wtf <sigh></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 22:41:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Emma &ndash; my father died in 1957 : to recieve a widow's benefit you had to have  a*limited* amount of income/and or property. My father had &ndash; give him his due (I dont/didnt actually like him) had accrued quite a lot of property for, he thought, support<br />of his families.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:34:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>NO BENEFITS</q></p><p>Islander, when was this? I ask because my mother received the Widow's Benefit on the deaths of both her husbands, and I thought it had been continuously available since it was introduced &ndash; in 1911.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:19:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>I can’t help but feel that economic circumstances put a cloud over young families now, which just should not be there.</q></p><p>That has *always* been a factor Ben- when my parents married &ndash; because they had to (my mother's family saw to that &ndash; and yep, first time etc. etc.)-…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:01:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Surely the problems that someone faces after marrying young &amp; breaking up would be very similar to anyone that was in a long-term relationship (intentionally or not) from an early age?</q></p><p>I still think of my first girlfriend as my first wife, we were together that long, and breaking up was…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:36:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						Heather: I was constructing my initial comment in the light of the idea of marriage that Grossman is putting forward &ndash; that it's forever, one partner for life. In that light, a marriage carries far more weight than a de facto relationship. Personally, I think the thing that makes the…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:20:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						As someone that got married youngish, to the first man I had sex with, and later  got divorced, I need to ask a clarifying question. Is there something inherently undesirable about getting married, as opposed to, say, ...well, not getting married to a medium/long-term partner? Would you (that is, everyone…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 19:31:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Isabel Hitchings</title>
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						If my kids married their first sexual or romantic partner I'd definitely have concerns, especially if they were also very young. I've seen it work and I wouldn't stop them but I know that my early relationships, and those of the majority of my friends, mostly served to demonstrate exactly…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:41:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>I note it is your first posting, Suzanne Shirley. I do trust you are not a troll….</q></p><p>Come on now, a perfectly polite first post which happens to disagree with one statement in the original blog post is a <em>long</em> way from trolling. </p><p><q>But my gut reaction, based on my…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 01:38:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Suzanne Shirley</title>
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						Fair enough &ndash; it just seemed like an odd blanket statement to make.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:52:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>I hope that if your kids happen to fall madly in love with their first sexual partners and decide that their life’s happiness is best served by a committed monogomous relationship you will respect their choices. Kinda hypocritical not to</q></p><p>Wellll, why on earth would you not expect someone like…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:48:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q> I hope that if your kids happen to fall madly in love with their first sexual partners and decide that their life's happiness is best served by a committed monogomous relationship you will respect their choices. </q></p><p>Absolutely. And of course any relationship you've seen in action is different from a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:45:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Suzanne Shirley</title>
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						<p><q>I’d be horrified if one of my kids told me they wanted to marry the first person they’d had sex with</q></p><p>I agree with your overall point, and fully endorse a liberal pro-information approach to sex ed in schools, and think that sex is a joyful and a wonderful part…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:21:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Withers</title>
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						I heard that woman talking on NatRad. I concluded it's the local version of the US morality nutbars trying to inflict their neuroses on us....and worse, our kids. It demonstrates a certain rigidity of mind that tends to reveal itself in other areas across the ideological and political spectrum. I'm…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:49:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Which I'm pretty down with, because fancy cheese isn't the only thing that takes time...
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				<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 09:53:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						As a point of interest, I just stumbled across <a href="http://nexus.od.nih.gov/all/2012/06/27/what-we%E2%80%99ve-learned-about-graduate-students/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this blog post</a> indicating the average age of graduation with a biomedical PhD in the USA is 30-31.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 09:22:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>@Megan &amp; Craig R: absolutely seconded. Scientific research has established that risky sexual behaviour thrives on ignorance.</p><p>They may be libertarians, but Penn &amp; Teller have done the homework so we don't have to. (NSFW Warning)</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td3onwd1kSE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td3onwd1kSE</a></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH49fKppfAA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH49fKppfAA</a></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxNWFfb42X8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxNWFfb42X8</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2012 01:12:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>the inevitability of doing dumb shit that makes you writhe with shame in the cold hard light of hindsight</q></p><p>Thanks for saying that, Craig.  Glad I'm not the only one!  I think growing up is a lifelong process...I thought I was grown up 20 years ago!  Gah.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 21:36:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						It certainly does not, does it? Even when you think you might have cracked it, something else comes along to change your mind, or open your eyes.
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>They’ll love, and they’ll lose. They’ll break their hearts, and bruise their hips on hand basins. Any joy comes with the possibility of pain, of loss. That’s the point of living.</q></p><p>Part of the package tour we call life is the inevitability of doing <em>dumb shit</em> that makes you writhe…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:38:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>The thing I really don’t understand – even were her claims true, which they’re not – is that we don’t keep kids safe by giving them less information. </q></p><p>So much of this, and being a gay man of a certain age I think New Zealand's comparatively sane response to HIV-AIDS…</p>
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				<title>dc_red</title>
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						<p>Somewhat relevant personal anecdote:</p><p>Undertaking a Sunday tour of my new Dept., the day before the first day of my PhD program, a stressed-looking prof emerged from her office. After I briefly introduced myself, I received the following 'advice':</p><p>"Do you have any children? No? Good! Don't have any until…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 08:51:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Isn’t that because they spend their 16-18 period getting ready for the prom, and then their first degree learning a diverse mixture of translated Proust, quantum physics for non-mathematicians and history of art?</p><p>(unless they’re a jock, in which case they do translated Enid Blyton, basic algebra for non-mathematicians and…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2012 02:14:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p><q>2 &amp; 5% </q></p><p>At least, the population of Russia, that's huge.</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>3-8%</q><br />This is going on the latest figures for other primate research (I think we are looking at between 2 &amp; 5% fot H.s.s myself.)</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						I once took a non-credit course in cross-country skiing during my US PhD studies. On the other hand, I really appreciated the US-style taught PhD (high level coursework, practicums,  internships, language requirement etc), where everything does not hinge on the final thesis. I do feel for some NZ students  I…
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>Yesss!<br />The -erm?- category has been known about for yonks but &ndash; it isnt quite sexy enough to report upon-<br />especially as it is extremely difficult to sell things to asexuals using 'normal' sexual triggers (even if we do make up a substantial (well, I think 3-8% is fairly substantial)…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 22:28:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p>Reading up today I came across this and quite naturally thought of you: </p><p>[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_Scale|"In both the Male and Female volumes of the Kinsey Reports, an additional grade, listed as "X", was used for asexuality. It was first published in Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) by Alfred Kinsey, Wardell…</p>
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						<p>And thank you for writing it (anything to do with BDSM was a prohibited import when I was on the IPT.Things have changed…)</p><p>The more knowledge ‘out there’ = the better.</p><p>One day, one day she sighs, asexuals will be recognised as natural, and accepted as a human  sexual variant…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>That Guy</q></p><p>Deliverer of, and this is a high bar, the least subtle pick-up line I've ever been on the receiving end of. </p><p>Thanks, Tracy. It was a hell of a piece to write, and to open up to view, and while the feedback was nothing but positive, it was…</p>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						And that's a fabulous post. Hopefully it'll be a lightbulb moment to a few people, including both vanilla folks and would-be kinky people like That Guy.
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<p><q>They’ll love, and they’ll lose. They’ll break their hearts, and bruise their hips on hand basins. Any joy comes with the possibility of pain, of loss. That’s the point of living. </q><br />This. All of this. Each and every bit of it.</p>
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						I like your thinking.
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						<p><q>history of baseball</q></p><p>I actually did some research on the history of baseball during my aborted US PhD in history. It's a great window into early twentieth century urbanisation and the  development of mass leisure (see also: amusement parks; movies; to a lesser extent department stores).</p><p>(Anecdotally, undergraduate degrees (at…</p>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						Thanks for the link Emma, that was wonderfully articulated, very educational.
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						<p><q>By that I mean that the first couple of years at Uni are basically teaching stuff kiwis learn in school.</q></p><p>Was watching <em>Roots: The Next Generation</em> last week, and the scenes set in the college/university where the women are wearing uniforms seemed really weird.  It was a methodist(?) institution (as…</p>
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						<p><q>"What does BDSM have to do with health?"</q></p><p>As much as any other sexual practice? So, quite a bit? </p><p>I've talked a bit here about why it's so important for health professionals to have some basic understanding of BDSM. And most of you will have seen this, yet I'm still…</p>
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						<p><q>and then their first degree learning a diverse mixture of translated Proust, quantum physics for non-mathematicians and history of art</q></p><p>We once took a highly respected and very smart visiting professor out for beers at the local bowling alley. Turned out she was a very good bowler since she had…</p>
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						<p><q>where you do a 4-year undergrad, a 2-year MSc is not uncommon, and then a 5-7 year PhD</q></p><p>Isn't that because they spend their 16-18 period getting ready for the prom, and then their first degree learning a diverse mixture of translated Proust, quantum physics for non-mathematicians and history of…</p>
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						Thanks Bart! What a great value reply.
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						<p><q>So, what do Americans make of our system that spits out PhD graduates at such a tender age?</q></p><p>That very much depends on the lab you come from. From the American perspective your age is not that relevant, it is your pedigree. You come from such and such university, from…</p>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Indeed.</p></blockquote><p>Groovy. I've cancelled my ire hoisting subscription.  In all fairness she's no one trick pony. While she'd medicate and incarcerate Kinsey for his BDSM,  the Doctor exhibits a profound and nuanced complexity:</p><p><a href="http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=29221" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">"What does BDSM have to do with health?"</a></p><p>Dr Miriam Grossman MD</p>
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						<q> And, you know, it's not as if women in science don't spend A FUCKING LOT OF TIME considering childcare availability and career progress and whether you should have kids before or during or after your PhD or during postdocs or when you get tenure or before you get tenure or…</q>
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						Public Address: deride her quackery
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<p>So, what do Americans make of our system that spits out PhD graduates at such a tender age? (I was 26 when I got mine, and I wasn't exactly a paragon of single-minded efficiency). <br />Are they envious that we are out into the workforce so rapidly? <br />Dubious that we can…</p>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<p>"a man enslaved to the urges of a warped mind" &ndash; Dr Grossman on Dr Kinsey.</p><p>I might usurp that as my Twitter bio.</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Um – usually closer to 25 actually. Most of our PhD students track school/honours or masters/PhD/first real job – that should see you finshed around 25-27 NOT 35</q></p><p>She'll be thinking of the American context, where you do a 4-year undergrad, a 2-year MSc is not uncommon, and then a…</p>
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				<title>Ray Gilbert</title>
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						<p><q>Women complete their PhDs at 35</q></p><p>Um &ndash; usually closer to 25 actually. Most of our PhD students track school/honours or masters/PhD/first real job &ndash; that should see you finshed around 25-27 NOT 35</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>She’s a psychiatrist. So when she talks about locking someone up in a psychiatric institution? It’s not quite so funny. And BDSM is still in the DSM.</q></p><p>Sorry, didn't think of that. That's...sickening, actually.</p>
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				<title>Tamara</title>
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						I love that!
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>As far as I am concerned ‘Family First’ should be renamed ‘Family Fascists’.<br />Cunch of bunts.</q></p><p>Actually, Mike Moreu managed to pull it off without Godwinning.</p>
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						<p><q>“If Kinsey was alive today, and under my care, he’d be on high doses of medications. I would hospitalize him on a locked psychiatric unit because of the risk to his health from his compulsive sexual masochism.”</p><p>Dr Miriam Grossman</q></p><p>Holy shit. That sounded remarkably like Nurse Ratched.</p>
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				<title>Damian Christie</title>
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						<p><q>I know that mixing toilet cleaner and bleach is a really bad idea, </q></p><p>Is that a sex tip? If so, I've got a lot to learn.</p>
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				<title>Euan Mason</title>
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						<p>"To me, ‘no sex before marriage’ always sounds like telling kids they’re not allowed to learn to ride a bike because they’ll fall off and get hurt, but on their 21st birthday they’re going to ride the Tour de France."</p><p>:)</p><p>Great analogy, Emma.</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Oh, I'm sure Emma knows that.</q></p><p>Indeed.</p><p><q>You know that she just actually has no idea what she's talking about, right?</q></p><p>She's a <em>psychiatrist</em>. So when she talks about locking someone up in a psychiatric institution? It's not quite so funny. And <a href="http://clarissethorn.com/blog/2012/05/07/the-psychology-of-sm/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">BDSM is still in the DSM</a>.</p>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>I'm going to go fume </q></p><p>So that's why labs are equipped with fumehoods</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Sorry Emma, my only intention was to deride her quackery.</q></p><p>Oh, I'm sure Emma knows that.</p>
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				<title>Robert Urquhart</title>
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						<p>Completely tangental, but<br /><a href="http://lookslikescience.tumblr.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://lookslikescience.tumblr.com/</a><br />(I can’t remember where I found this, may even have been posted on PA previously)</p>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						Sorry Emma, my only intention was to deride her quackery.
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>And what’s so fucking disappointing is that there is a huge discrepancy between women in science and women in leadership roles in science pretty much because of the difficulties Lucy describes.</q></p><p>Well, let's be honest, even if a perfect solution to the child-having question emerged tomorrow women would still be…</p>
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						Thank you, Chris, I'm now as angry as Lucy is. There are some more reasons I'm an unfit mother: I should be in a psychiatric institution.
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>And what's so fucking disappointing is that there is a huge discrepancy between women in science and women in leadership roles in science pretty much because of the difficulties Lucy describes.</p><p>To have some dipshit MD piss all over the idea that women should value their intellectual contribution to society…</p>
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						<p><q>grrrr Thank you for pointing out that the degree which is actually a frigging nightmare to complete is less important than the biological act that pretty much everyone can do (admittedly to varying levels of competence).</q></p><p>And, you know, it's not as if women in science don't spend A FUCKING…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The health benefits of church attendance are never discussed.</p></blockquote><p>I thought that was a bit odd, but heck:</p><p>[[http://beyondopinion.com/tag/dr-miriam-grossman/|“If Kinsey was alive today, and under my care, he’d be on high doses of medications. I would hospitalize him on a locked psychiatric unit because of the risk to his health…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>I still can’t get over the column in which she says all girls want an Edward. Whatevs.</q><br /><a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/miriamgrossmanmd/2008/12/08/what_girls_want_an_edward_cullen_to_love_them" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The column in question</a>. Good for lulz.</p><p>She did an okay job, in her Close Up and RNZ interviews, of pretending to be just reasonable and concerned, but it took almost no digging…</p>
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				<title>Phil fryer</title>
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						<p>I suspect ur preaching to the converted here, as much as Miriam is "pissing in the wind"<br />I raised all my house monsters ( all 5 have degree's) that sexing is as important as food drink,sleep, &amp; variety as important as a variable diet.<br />But if u don't love ur self,…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>complete their PhDs at 35, and realise the hardest challenge lies ahead</q></p><p>grrrr Thank you for pointing out that the degree which is actually a frigging nightmare to complete is less important than the biological act that pretty much everyone can do (admittedly to varying levels of competence).</p><p>Note also…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2012 11:04:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> If they wanted to marry someone they hadn’t had sex with, that might be enough to make me lock them in their room and not let them out until they’d come to their senses.</q></p><p>Presumably you'd have to lock someone(s) else in the room with them.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>how you find out what the fuck you’re doing</q></p><p>I see what you did there :).</p>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<p><q>To me, ‘no sex before marriage’ always sounds like telling kids they’re not allowed to learn to ride a bike because they’ll fall off and get hurt, but on their 21st birthday they’re going to ride the Tour de France.</q></p><p>Plus, not everyone wants to (or could) ride the Tour…</p>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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						And yeah, that bit about getting a 'Mrs' and a 'Mo.M' is just so utterly facile it leaves me spluttering.
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						<p>Face it Emma, your kids are safe.</p><p>As their loving mother you are their primary source of the values they will grow up with and you are <em>lightyears</em>  ahead of Dr Miriam (whoever the fuck she is!) in that regard.</p><p>As far as I am concerned 'Family First' should be…</p>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						<p>The thing I really don’t understand – even were her claims true, which they’re not – is that we don’t keep kids safe by giving them <em>less</em> information. </p><p>I know that mixing toilet cleaner and bleach is a really bad idea, because I went to science class in high school.…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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