the likely outcomes are that all the "virtuous" people who never look at porn will bitch mightily at the impact on service; and the huge percentage of people who do look at porn will be demanding they be taken off any filter list, thus rendering it effectively useless.

And the…

I'm kind of hoping the idea will be quietly swept under the carpet in Oz. They've had their trial, so the fundies will shut up for a while, and the impact on services so bad, I can't imagine the ISPs will roll over easily.

When I first read about Aussie…

If they do, the likely outcomes…

Couldn't agree more.

How long before an MP here promotes it here?

As someone else mentioned, Trevor Rogers tried it in the dim, dark days of dial-up only internet. That led to the formation of the Network Society, a one-note wonder that didn't last but galvanized some opposition.

More recently, in 2005, InternetNZ…

Isn't pornography whatever particular media turns you on?

Hadyn: Take this down, because it will be on the exam. :)

If it arouses me, and is hanging on the walls of an art gallery or showing at the Film Festival, it is "erotica".

If it arouses the kind of white…

I used to love Wizards, especially the monks, and the ending. I found a torrent of it a while ago (there is no DVD), and was, well disappointed. A work of its time perhaps and things have moved on and it has stayed static.

There is a DVD – I…

you might like to define pornography

Did we ever have a go at that? I do remember there was some discussion about what is "obscene". Isn't pornography whatever particular media turns you on?

Like for that woman who married the Berlin Wall, her pr0n mag of choice would be House…

What im not seeing here is anyone saying that kiddie porn is for sickos that need help or jail time!

That's probably because it's not directly relevant to any discussion of filtering. Also if everyone agrees with that proposition, it doesn't make for a very long discussion. You want to…

I can see how it would…

Steven, what are these 'Darlics' of…

I'd be curious to know how other PA posters guide, control, censor their kids' internet experiences – and tv/movies, come to that.

We don't filter, we've talked to the kids (10 & 13) about the possibility of nasty stuff showing up and we keep Google Safe Search switched on to try…

think somewhere between The Dark Crystal and Pink Floyd's the Wall

Actually The Wall freaked me a bit too (as did Tommy), that may be why I hate Pink Floyd now.

That would be Wizards then.

Holy shit that's it! Is it as weird and crazy as I remember?

Ditto for Monoke that reminded me in parts of some weird post-apocalyptic sci-fantasy cartoon I saw when I was a kid that disturbed me deeply (think somewhere between The Dark Crystal and Pink Floyd's the Wall

That would be Wizards then.

I'm a lot more cautious with other people's children than my own.

Absolutely – which is why sometimes my judicial call is, "I'll talk it over with your Mum, and put this aside until next time." I'm also certain that if I plonked 'em down in front of a __Kill…

The stuff with a yellow label is at my discretion

I'm a lot more cautious with other people's children than my own. With our kids, discretion is blue – M15+. If we chose not to show our pre-teens M rated stuff, they'd miss the LOTR and every Harry Potter movie…

I'd be curious to know how other PA posters guide, control, censor their kids' internet experiences – and tv/movies, come to that.

Well, it's (relatively) simple for me as Big Gay Uncle Craig who most school holdays does Man-anny duties for my partner's (almost) 11 year old grand nephew and…

They've only recently got email addresses, though, because I was really concerned about the hugely offensive spam…

Because of my profession…

It's not that long ago that Watchdog was blocking non-porn sites that might be offensive to the delicate sensibilities of the fundamentalist Christians whose bigotry was being parodied

It's a sad truth that the people most eager to control what my children can access are the very people I'd least…

I can only hope I never work out how to 'press P on the internet' so I can avoid getting punched in the face by bingo-porn.

Maybe the guy was pressing the 'pee' button?

Is this something we should be worrying about, or is it just that the Aussie government is misguided in its aims to censor net porn?

Can I say one from Column A and one from Column B? I've seldom seen a politician who could resist blundering through the fashionable moral…

IMO the issue is then getting…

You can bet Clead feed will not be applied by the Universities, so all you need is a student account…

How long before an MP here promotes it here?

Trevor Rodgers attempted to 'censor' the Internet nearly 15 years ago, but Parliament had the good sense to bin it and have a quiet guffaw.

And in relation to Justice Stewart's famous remark, J Edgar Hoover will be [[http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover#Unsourced|forever remembered for…

(Then again, I'd have to stretch a point to describe it as pornographic, because it's hard to imagine anyone getting aroused by Lawrence's clotted prose, let along achieving any kind of orgasm.)

My copy of The Rainbow actually got eaten by a bookworm. I didn't ask it how much it…

It's since been replaced by the Miller Test.

Which is problematic in much the same way. Who the hell gets to define what an "average" person is, or what constitutes "serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value"? I wouldn't seriously argue Lady Chatterly's Lover meets the SlAPS Test. (Then again,…

the Potter Stewart test appears to be the best we can come up with

Just to clarify, after "I know it when I see it", Potter said, "and the motion picture involved in this case is not that." And he wasn't defining 'obscenity' but 'hardcore pornography', which he believed was…

My point, albeit somewhat clumsily made, is that the Potter Stewart test appears to be the best we can come up with – there is no convenient empirical definition of what is 'offensive'…

So, you shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material you understand to be embraced within that shorthand description, but you know it when you see it?

Well, Rich, I sure don't think my life would be worth tweenie spit if teh interwebz was being filtered to…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10530801

Wiki has the answers wrt to the legal status in Canada here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_legalization_in_Canada

And one of Canada's biggest exports to the US is now BC Bud:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,682290-2,00.html

I…

I'm finding the Art Monthly cover very useful, though, for showing people who are absolutely sure they can define porn. You can't ban or filter it, after all, if you can't define it to start with

And how do you define "offensive content" — seriously, the ten minutes of __High…

In fact it looks rather sweet and innocent. Some people seem to have trouble separating nudity and sexuality, methinks.

To be sort of fair on Rudd, this came straight after the furore over the Bill Henson photographs. (That link has NSFW pics in the sidebar, but it's a good discussion…

cannabis remains prohibited

When I was in Canada a couple of years ago I smelt it often enough just wandering around the streets that I assumed it was legal.

Apparently not, just not policed very aggressively a friend told me.

And so it has always been – I had dinner…

When I was a lad in flares and paisley, the first…

cannabis remains prohibited

When I was in Canada a couple of years ago I smelt it often enough just wandering around the streets that I assumed it was legal.

Apparently not, just not policed very aggressively a friend told me.

Especially if what they see is a generic error message rather than a specific "this page is blocked by cleannet here's how to opt-out" message.

Hello, Telecom? Yes, I'm having trouble with my internet access. I seem to be mainly getting 404 errors when I'm surfing. What websites? Ummmm, nevermind.

However, if your objective is to get people to 'voluntarily' do something they don't want to do, opt-out is perfect

Especially if what they see is a generic error message rather than a specific "this page is blocked by cleannet here's how to opt-out" message.

Opt-out is absurd.
And can't you just see the spin now "Oh yeah, well our records show <> opted-out of internet filtering. Guy loves his child porn obviously"

F'n'ay.

However, if your objective is to get people to 'voluntarily' do something they don't want to do, opt-out is perfect. Like…

cannabis remains prohibited

Canadian tourism just took a big hit (no pun intended)

It's mandatory for all ISPs to provide filtering. From a user point of view, it's opt-OUT, not opt-in.

Opt-out is absurd.
And can't you just see the spin now "Oh yeah, well our records show <> opted-out of internet filtering. Guy loves his child porn obviously"

Dude, it's medicinal!

That it may be ... but very few prescriptions for medical marijuana have been issued in Canada (about 3000 at last count).

Now California on the other hand...

Lolita — a novel whose central character/narrator is not only a paedophile but a kidnapper and murderer?

Try Ada: it makes Lolita look like Playschool. It also happens to be one of the most astonshingly brilliant novels I've ever read, but hey, the literature/porn distinction's just about class, right?

cannabis remains prohibited

Dude, it's medicinal!

1. The Aussie system will be mandatory? Regardless of whether you have the filter software or not?

It's mandatory for all ISPs to provide filtering. From a user point of view, it's opt-OUT, not opt-in.

And will not list what sites/rationale etc are used for blocking?

Britain doesn't, Finland doesn't,…

I don't have that much problem with an opt-in system of filtering run by the…

What category of material will be banned under Labor’s plan? Labor will require ISPs to filter out R, RC and X rated material as part of a clean feed for home internet…

The upshot was clear enough: even in tests under the most favourable conditions, ISP-level filtering looked like a bad idea. The real-world results of such a national system hardly bore thinking about, especially as…

Well I wouldn't try reading it on the train.

Last time I was in Sydney, I felt kind of icky about being seen in public with a copy of the taboid Daily Telegraph and I sure wouldn't want my parents to know I was selling the damn thing. :)

(As…

Meanwhile, I assume you will still be able to walk into a bookstore in suburban inner south Brisbane (your local MP: the Hon. Kevin Rudd) and walk out with a copy of Lolita — a novel whose central character/narrator is not only a paedophile but a kidnapper and murderer?

Well…

I'm interested in how that "p" button works. I tried putting

When you start typing in google search field or the browsers address bar it starts matching what you have typed before. That's why they just have to type p to get porn. Because they have already been looking for…

Canada, where you can legally go to a lesbian wedding topless and stoned.

Yeah but who hasn't done that.

I was going to []ress the "u[]side down b" button, but I'm at work and I don't want to get in trouble :)

What does one have to do to "accidentally" get pron on one's PC in NZ?

Well, at a project launch some years ago for a big Govt department, it was achieved (on a big demo screen for the invited guests) by entering nasa.com, instead of nasa.govt (the intention was to…

How long before an MP here promotes it here?

Well, Canada's working on it. Canada, where you can legally go to a lesbian wedding topless and stoned. What really worries me for here is that ISPs will just start 'voluntarily' doing it, as in Britain.

We're a country of wee…

What does one have to do to "accidentally" get pron on one's PC in NZ?

I'm told that it's not a good idea to do a Google image search for "manhole".

p

into google.

First up are various hits concerning methamphetamine, the wikipedia page for the letter "p", wkipedia on phosphorous, stuff on Pink (the singer). Does this mean that NZ already has some sort of filter? What does one…

I can only hope I never work out how to 'press P on the internet' so I can avoid getting punched in the face by bingo-porn.

I've finally found my epitaph.

How long before an MP here promotes it here?