Public Address | Cafe | Up Front: Wonder Bi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367116#post367116 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367116#post367116 this link ]]> Fri, 07 Oct 2016 20:38:48 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367115#post367115 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367115#post367115 ...Crocodile Dundee...dolphin thieves...
While I managed to avoid the Flipper movie, the one memorable review I recall described it as starring Paul Hogan after he'd "had his face ironed flat on easy street:"

]]> Fri, 07 Oct 2016 18:17:20 +1300 Miche Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367111#post367111 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367111#post367111 Fri, 07 Oct 2016 12:06:14 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367108#post367108 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367108#post367108 where Wonder Woman straight up slaughters a bunch of kids.

But they cut away, so you don't really see what being impaled on a broken sword looks like (although the sound effect is a bit meaty, IMHO). Because there's no room for that in today's game, totally not what the…

]]> Fri, 07 Oct 2016 10:55:05 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367107#post367107 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367107#post367107 Of course they should. Right now it still feels like a buck each way – the publicity for saying there are going to be LGBT characters, and then they turn out to be presented in such a way that the Million Moms aren’t going to notice.

Despite some notable departures…

]]> Fri, 07 Oct 2016 01:53:02 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367104#post367104 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367104#post367104 I do have to wonder if we overthink that.

PS if you happen to be looking for some reading matter on this, I recommend Barbara Ehrenreich's 'Blood Rites'. A pretty decent overview of why we might still be fascinated by all this stuff.

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2016 21:41:02 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367103#post367103 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367103#post367103 It's been this way since forever, though. I mean superheros pretty much ALL spend most of their time either bashing or getting bashed. Violence is not an offshoot, it's basically their whole purpose. Very often the whole purpose of their secret identity is just so they can get away with… ]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2016 21:32:45 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367090#post367090 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367090#post367090 The violence in the animated versions is far more of a concern when it comes to a ‘won’t somebody think of the children’ moment.

It's been this way since forever, though. I mean superheros pretty much ALL spend most of their time either bashing or getting bashed. Violence is not…

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2016 12:34:57 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367087#post367087 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367087#post367087 I suspect it’s because Nazis have been done to death (as it were) in recent superhero blockbusters, Capt America being the most obvious example.
Just seems wrong to me both characters had their genesis in 1941 (Captain America March '41, Wonder Woman December '41) and WWII is a big part…

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2016 10:37:06 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367086#post367086 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367086#post367086 I wond….thought about this, too. I suspect it’s because Nazis have been done
to death (as it were) in recent superhero blockbusters, Capt America being the most obvious example.

Definitely — and, hell, we're in the middle of the World War One centennial, and if Diana wanted an introduction to…

]]> Thu, 06 Oct 2016 09:19:26 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367083#post367083 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367083#post367083 the rules are definitely different for cable/Netflicks etc.

Different for the animated versions, too, some of which are pretty good, and are also able to push the boundaries and corrupt the kiddies. My recollection of the 2009 film is that she was bi, but that it wasn't particularly a big…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 22:49:35 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367082#post367082 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367082#post367082 what I really don't understand with this movie 'reboot' is why they have set it in World War One?
The comic was originally created during, and set in, WW II.

I wond....thought about this, too. I suspect it's because Nazis have been done
to death (as it were) in recent…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 22:34:40 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367080#post367080 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367080#post367080 gawd awful accent

Its a shocker

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 20:11:17 +1300 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367079#post367079 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367079#post367079 “ all bis must die ”

Jack Harkness is the ultimate inversion of this trope.

Can we please have a gratuitous Jack Harkness moment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRinvN32bHE

Another lovable feature of Torchwood was all the staff were bi, and it was so normal that it was never discussed.

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 19:47:41 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367078#post367078 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367078#post367078 have a look at Trumbo and how he got around them
Puts me in mind of Ed Brubaker's excellent comic The Fade Out (3 issue arc) and the Coen Brothers movie Hail Caesar
But that's a gawd awful accent O'Gorman is putting on...

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 19:10:50 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367075#post367075 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367075#post367075 Or you could make them out of glass! But no one does that these days. ]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 18:07:16 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367074#post367074 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367074#post367074 Just finished season one of Orange is the New Black (should I continue?

yes

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 18:05:25 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367073#post367073 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367073#post367073 Gatekeepers eh! self appointed guardians of an artificial morality.
have a look at Trumbo and how he got around them
Hedda Hopper was one, Dean O'Gorman does a his best Kirk Douglas impersonation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLuxQhdUqLY

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 17:56:37 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367072#post367072 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367072#post367072 Blimey, that would be ridiculously expensive.

And think of the maintenance. You'd spend all your time washing it.

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 17:34:37 +1300 Miche Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367071#post367071 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367071#post367071 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 17:30:09 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367070#post367070 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367070#post367070 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 16:23:38 +1300 Miche Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367069#post367069 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367069#post367069 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 15:34:59 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367066#post367066 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367066#post367066 I guess canvas covered planes are cheaper to recreate…

invisible ones are cheaper ...

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 13:10:16 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367065#post367065 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367065#post367065 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 13:07:53 +1300 Miche Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367064#post367064 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367064#post367064 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:53:58 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367063#post367063 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367063#post367063 Basically, LGBT characters are not allowed happy endings.

Unless it’s a Cast Full of Gay. Which is probably why the female prison ones do have characters like Wentworth ’s Frankie, who seduces her psychologist and is eventually released from prison, moves in with her lover, finishes her legal training and…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:51:58 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367062#post367062 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367062#post367062 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:46:21 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367061#post367061 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367061#post367061 because something something consumption by het men?

Pretty sure that's the reason, as is the impossibility of man-man sex ever actually being depicted rudely. But it's at least progress that man-man foreplay is not beyond the pale in mainstream any more. Their actual sex still has to fade to black…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:44:47 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367060#post367060 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367060#post367060 Sexual preferences aside, what I really don't understand with this movie 'reboot' is why they have set it in World War One?
The comic was originally created during, and set in, WW II.
I guess canvas covered planes are cheaper to recreate...

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:43:05 +1300 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367059#post367059 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367059#post367059 I've been seeing a fair few openly bi women in TV series recently

And this is a thing too, right – that if you have a bi character it has to be a woman, because something something consumption by het men?

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:29:32 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367058#post367058 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367058#post367058 Wentworth without Danielle Cormack. OK, The Freak and Vinegar Tits are decent characters, and they hung onto the fantastic Frankie beyond her release as a legal advocate, and Jacs was good before she got killed, and Kaz does angry very well, and the psychologist does… ]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:28:39 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367055#post367055 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367055#post367055 Jack Harkness is the ultimate inversion of this trope
Perhaps Cap'n Jack should be the 'Face of Bi'
...rather than 'Bo'?
;- )

Try Grant Morrison's DC series The Invisibles for a smorgasbord of sexual orientations – available in most good public libraries these days.

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:23:06 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367054#post367054 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367054#post367054 But am I imagining it that there is a consistent theme nowadays that “all bis must die”?

Why no, you are not. It's a manifestation of Bury Your Gays. Basically, LGBT characters are not allowed happy endings.

I’ve been seeing a fair few openly bi women in TV series recently.…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:21:53 +1300 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367053#post367053 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367053#post367053 Just for historical accuracy, the Comics Code Authority as a "voluntary" industry censorship body was created in 1954, as a consequence of the Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency hearings in that year.

It was helped along the way by the publication of Frederic Wertham's book Seduction of the Innocent which…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:19:17 +1300 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367052#post367052 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367052#post367052 "all bis must die"

Jack Harkness is the ultimate inversion of this trope.

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:16:28 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367051#post367051 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367051#post367051 Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:15:50 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367050#post367050 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367050#post367050 Orange is the New Black (should I continue? It's already bumming me out) and season 4 of Wentworth. But am I imagining it that there is a consistent theme nowadays that "all… ]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 12:13:35 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367048#post367048 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367048#post367048 I bet the original writers never thought for one moment that years in the future she would be looked on as bisexual.

Even if this was true (and it isn’t), I can say with near total confidence that two hundred years ago Jane Austen would have thrown up into her…

]]> Wed, 05 Oct 2016 11:50:42 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367047#post367047 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-wonder-bi/?p=367047#post367047 Discussion from blog post.

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