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				<title>Sister Mary Gearchange</title>
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						I wonder if people who engage in psychological abuse and manipulation within a family or relationship setting should also be similarly held to such high standards viz responsibility for their actions?  Is psychological or emotional violence as bad as physical?  Worse? Less?  Simply different and not something to try and…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 14:39:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/79866203/stacey-kirk-many-knew-of-mokos-torture--now-theyll-have-to-live-with-his-death" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Stacey Kirk</a> calls for a Ministerial Inquiry into the torture and murder of Moko Rangitoheriri.</p><p><q>It was not just the two people who beat, tortured and eventually killed three-year-old Moko Rangitoheriri who knew the little boy was at risk. There were others.</p><p>Tania Shailer and David Haerewa committed unimaginably sadistic…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2016 10:37:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>And speaking about the Media....</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/79772891/sister-told-social-worker-moko-being-abused" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This</a> article appeared on Stuff the other day...</p><p><q> <strong>Moko Sayviah Rangitoheriri's sister told social worker toddler was being abused</strong></p><p>Seven-year-old Anna told Trina Marama, a trained social worker who worked for Te Whare Oranga Wairua Maori Women's Refuge in Taupo, that her three-year-old brother was…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2016 07:48:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I’ve no interest in parading Veitch through the muck again. But I think he should stop writing self-serving columns if he can’t truly take responsibility for his actions.</q></p><p>Meh, I take Michael Field's point but only as far as it goes.  But I'm also thoroughly over the media doing some…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2016 22:11:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>his self-awareness doesn't really seem to evolved at all.</q></p><p>That is because he only has an awareness of himself.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2016 18:35:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						<p>Indeed. </p><p>And especially since it turns out he hadn't even bothered to inform his victim of his plan to spray his regrets (I can't dignify it as "remorse") all over the media, his self-awareness doesn't really seem to evolved at all.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2016 14:36:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						It's not just Tony Veitch's pseudo-apology that grates. It's also that people look to him as an anti-PC role model, cut from the same cloth as those who think Donald Trump will "make America great again".
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2016 11:25:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						<p>I don't think he's sorry for anything except how his behaviour has made him appear to some &ndash; i.e. he's sorry he got outed, caught and convicted</p><p>He's so not sorry he will, with his employers approval, use his abuse as a means to promote himself and his employer through…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2016 09:31:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>swimming in a sea of Domestic Violence </q></p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/79772891/sister-told-social-worker-moko-being-abused" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Drowned</a></p><p>Trigger alert.. <strong>seriously</strong> </p><p>Child dies because although they were told, the professionals did <strong>nothing.</strong></p><p>Two of the professionals were from Women's Refuge.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 20:58:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Fen Tex</title>
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						<p>I tend to agree with the father of his ex who said an apology, if truly contrite, would be made privately to the person offended against, not publicly in service of rehabilitating a career.</p><p>I'm fairly confident Veitch is seeking to improve his marketability on the advice of PR people…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 20:00:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Mates,  having an in depth chat about political correctness,  the media, New Zealanders being relaxed, golf,  making a public fool of oneself...usual stuff.</p><p><a href="http://www.lajsiab.com/UXdISThlbHYxUFEx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.lajsiab.com/UXdISThlbHYxUFEx</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 19:53:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						One News Sport ran a link on their Facebook page which could be taken as a tacit endorsement of Veitch's phoney mea culpa. A different standard altogether for these six brown guys. Despite their only crime seeming to have been visiting a bar, they cop the kind of public tabloid…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 19:21:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Nik Dirga</title>
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						What is infuriating is that we all know Veitch is a massive jerk, and he deserves the condemnation of this piece. But I also question the judgement of the editor or editors who thought this was an appropriate use of their otherwise worth anti-violence campaign, to flog yet another of…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 19:11:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hebe</title>
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						<p>Quite. To call that an apology was sick. The piece was self-serving, showed faux humility, and  it was thoroughly questionable in its intent and execution.</p><p>If Tony Veitch were indeed sorry, he would just shut up about it in public and get around to apologising to Kristin Dunne-Powell. If he…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 18:49:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						What puts the icy claws into my heart is this worthless individuals' professional relationship with the hair pulling, white ribbon ambassador John Key.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 18:47:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kurt Mastrovich</title>
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						<p>Great post.</p><p>I'm all for the rehabilitation of offenders and not entirely convinced by the efficacy of the New Zealand prison system. But clearly the man in question has not been sufficiently rehabilitated.</p><p>NZME is absolutely an enabler in giving him his unapologetic voice back as a broadcaster and then…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 18:13:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Journalist Michael Field sat next to Kristin Dunne-Powell <a href="http://thespinoff.co.nz/09-05-2016/tony-veitchs-decade-in-denial/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">at the trial</a>.</p><p><q>I’ve no interest in parading Veitch through the muck again. But I think he should stop writing self-serving columns if he can’t truly take responsibility for his actions. If anybody gets to write about what he did, it should…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 17:51:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>I am choosing to believe that it was all about distraction.</p><p>When a 'mate' steps in and supports by association your 'rehabilitation',  the least a mate can do is reciprocate.</p><p>I guess for some being re-issued as a lying piece of scum is just another day in the office.</p><p>Water…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 17:35:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						I'm not really into the commercialisation of Mum and Dad's days but to give that shit the limelight on Mothers day was just appalling.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 17:22:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>SHG</title>
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						<p><q>I had to run away from The Standard when I read the comments section</q></p><p>Don't worry, that's how most people react.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Self-serving statement on his part.</p><p>And self-serving publication by The Herald. They knew they'd get clicks and they didn't care who they hurt by publishing. So many victims of domestic violence will have been left crying by that column and The Herald profits from that pain.</p><p>For me, if an…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 17:18:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11635943" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Steven Dunne, Father of Kristin Dunne-Powell  tells it like it is today</a> in the Harold. It is he who deserves a platform here. Sad to see the Herald thought Veitch worthy of space .
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 17:15:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						LudditeJourno has a great piece up at <a href="http://thehandmirror.blogspot.co.nz/2016/05/changing-face-we-value.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Hand Mirror</a> too.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 17:01:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>John Palethorpe</title>
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						Concise, sharp and accurate. Nice work.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 17:00:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						Delaney Mes writes well <a href="http://thespinoff.co.nz/09-05-2016/a-point-by-point-analysis-of-tony-veitchs-terrible-column/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">about it in The Spinoff</a>.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2016 16:58:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Hope that this will be a better forum for women to discuss their thoughts.</q></p><p>I'm not sure 'better than the Standard' is anything to be proud of, but yeah, I will be moderating a bit more tightly than usual, given the emotional weight of the topic. It's a pretty easy…</p>
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				<title>Dinah Dunavan</title>
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						Really glad you posted this Emma. I had to run away from The Standard when I read the comments section, particulary the ones in response to Rosemary. Hope that this will be a better forum for women to discuss their thoughts.
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p>Well,  bugger me dead Emma...that's practically verbatim what I was trying to convey to the blame -shifter on The Standard yesterday.</p><p>Kinda took it rather badly when I called him an enabler. </p><p>I still don't think he's got it.</p><p>Heavy drawn out sigh.</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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