Public Address | Cafe | Up Front: The Up Front Guide – How to Make a Stupid Law https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95386#post95386 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95386#post95386 piles of undergraduate "dissertations"*shudder* Yep, the old Great Steaming Pile of Theses. We eventually stopped forcing our undergrads to put us through that — but that just moved the problem up into the MA program, in spades, and in shovelfuls. ]]> Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:24:31 +1300 stephen walker https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95177#post95177 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95177#post95177 Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:17:32 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95173#post95173 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95173#post95173

And Green Onion Slave Girls.

*considers this*
Yes. We definitely should have Green Onion Slave Girls for things like pendant.

Emma: It's been a while since I've been glorified, and never for copy-editing.

Amy: It's one of those gratifying jobs where the meaner you are, the more people like it.

Sure, change…

]]> Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:57:32 +1300 andrew llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95085#post95085 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95085#post95085

We should have a PAS faq for things like pendant.

And Green Onion Slave Girls.

]]> Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:53:57 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95079#post95079 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95079#post95079 Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:22:34 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95044#post95044 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95044#post95044 this I thought of this thread. ]]> Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:59:52 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95028#post95028 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95028#post95028

I'm thinking of calling for a moratorium on the c-word.

Copy-editing? Cause there's this whole argument about whether or not it has a hyphen just sitting there...

]]> Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:15:54 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95025#post95025 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95025#post95025

Can we also not spoil my thread? I think you guys already have enough space dedicated to this argument, yes?

Word. I'm thinking of calling for a moratorium on the c-word.

]]> Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:39:48 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95001#post95001 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95001#post95001 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 12:21:34 +1300 Amy Gale https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95000#post95000 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=95000#post95000

It's been a while since I've been glorified, and never for copy-editing.

I do like doing a bit of copy-editing from time to time. It's one of those gratifying jobs where the meaner you are, the more people like it.

Perhaps it can be a new euphemism. "Mary confided to…

]]> Sat, 21 Feb 2009 05:03:19 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94995#post94995 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94995#post94995 Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:02:49 +1300 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94967#post94967 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94967#post94967

ideally, rules should be there for a good reason, and rules set up without any good reason have the effect of wasting a lot of time.

Russell, Ben Wilson seems to have hacked Linger's account.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:44:43 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94966#post94966 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94966#post94966

Emma, the PA writer I feel most sorry for is Hadyn. He tries to have these serious sports discussions and we'all end up talking Lime in Coconut.

Well, given I did that to him, I think he should just have to suck it up. Through a straw.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:26:36 +1300 Don Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94963#post94963 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94963#post94963 Giovanni

I won't get into how ridicolous that comparison is, because I wouldn't mind a beer or two myself.

Actually, it was my poker bid. I'll see your strawman and raise ya.

Emma, the PA writer I feel most sorry for is Hadyn. He tries to have these serious sports…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:22:00 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94962#post94962 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94962#post94962

glorified copy-editing

Not a phrase you see every day. It's been a while since I've been glorified, and never for copy-editing.

Okay.

I imagine this has been happening in some form since the first town meetings in Athens, has anyone worked out suitable counter strategies?

I'm going to deal with…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:18:43 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94954#post94954 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94954#post94954 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:40:25 +1300 slarty https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94952#post94952 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94952#post94952 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:38:29 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94950#post94950 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94950#post94950 As do copy editors.
Mark Aronoff has written that the main function of the [American] rule against restrictive which is "to give copy editors more billable hours".
OTOH, the large chunks of my job that (or, which) are blown on glorified copy-editing are done on a fixed salary, so I…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:32:55 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94946#post94946 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94946#post94946 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:13:39 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94945#post94945 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94945#post94945 Uh, anyway, relevance to main thread:
ideally, rules should be there for a good reason, and rules set up without any good reason have the effect of wasting a lot of time.
But then, the human capacity to waste time is simply astounding. :-)

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:11:34 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94944#post94944 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94944#post94944

The choice is entirely arbitrary

Exactly – does not affect my reading one lil bit. Maybe pendantry is an ingredient of making stupid laws?

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:08:55 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94942#post94942 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94942#post94942 My inner pendant swings wildly when I see "corrections" of that nature — because Amy's original punctuation was also correct, for a quote enclosed within a larger sentence.

Put aside the pronouncements about what style should look like, for a moment, and consider the functions .

Punctuation at the end…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 20:02:37 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94927#post94927 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94927#post94927

Aw, thank you. I spent hours hunting through our archives for examples and then carefully context-washing them.

See, my mind is busy trying to imagine context. It's, uh, interesting. Or one variety thereof.

And it's reduced most people's faith in their ability to sing/make music of their own, as they…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 19:06:49 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94924#post94924 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94924#post94924

enough space dedicated

Hell yeh. I thought you had made us a meta-thread – about the process rather than the well-worn content. And it's a whole week since we met. Right, another drink.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:42:53 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94923#post94923 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94923#post94923

Let's whip some ass !

And I just wanted to get that in before the webstock crowd come over..

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:40:43 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94922#post94922 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94922#post94922 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:37:45 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94918#post94918 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94918#post94918

It also killed the piano industry

I just wanted to see that in quotes. As you were.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:21:49 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94916#post94916 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94916#post94916

Recording music on phonographs? Ruining musicians.

It did, actually. Lots of unemployed theatre musicians after that (and again after the talkies). It also killed the piano industry. And it's reduced most people's faith in their ability to sing/make music of their own, as they compare themselves to the recorded standard.…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:13:11 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94915#post94915 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94915#post94915

But hey, if you and Chris want to go back to pre-penicillin cures for your ailments, be my guest.

I won't get into how ridicolous that comparison is, because I wouldn't mind a beer or two myself.

But let's accept Simon's reading of the issue, and say that s92a and…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:10:51 +1300 Don Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94913#post94913 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94913#post94913 giovanni – it's Friday, getting late and I have had the benefit of a beer or two to aid my thinking. So let me answer your point clearly.

Yes.

But hey, if you and Chris want to go back to pre-penicillin cures for your ailments, be my guest.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:02:47 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94912#post94912 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94912#post94912

You're a little flag??

Don't be silly, she a little dangly bit of jewelery.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:53:04 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94908#post94908 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94908#post94908

He would be funny *if* it were not for the fact that every.single.time a new technology has come along the same tired old saw has been rehashed.

Surely you're not simply making the contrary argument that each technological advance (although the word itself is unhelpfully loaded) is a straightforward benefit…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:40:13 +1300 Don Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94906#post94906 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94906#post94906 That entertaining lawyer Chris. (Bless his cotton socks, salt of the Earth, love him to bits, yadda yadda.)

He would be funny *if* it were not for the fact that every.single.time a new technology has come along the same tired old saw has been rehashed.

Carnegie library? Ruining writers. Recording…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:34:21 +1300 B Jones https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94901#post94901 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94901#post94901

You're a little flag??

A little flag is a pennant.

Or perhaps it's just getting meta around here.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:19:29 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94895#post94895 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94895#post94895

But I have read a number of grammar and style guides, and never before have I seen an example like this one.

Then reflectively she responded, "I'm not kissing that, there's dog slobber and blood all over it ..."

I'm struggling to think of a possible context for that sentence.

…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:08:22 +1300 Deborah https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94894#post94894 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94894#post94894 That's a very good speech punctuation guide, Emma. But I have read a number of grammar and style guides, and never before have I seen an example like this one.

Then reflectively she responded, "I'm not kissing that, there's dog slobber and blood all over it ..."

I'm struggling to…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:05:20 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94893#post94893 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94893#post94893

You're a little flag??

We should have a PAS faq for things like pendant.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:01:45 +1300 Rob Hosking https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94892#post94892 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94892#post94892

I'm being a pendant, after all,

You're a little flag??

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:54:00 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94891#post94891 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94891#post94891

You haven't watched the extended version on the DVD then?

I'm not *that* much of a masochist.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:41:45 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94889#post94889 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94889#post94889 guide to punctuating speech for our writers because almost none of the fozy duckwits can do it. ]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:39:04 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94887#post94887 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94887#post94887 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:34:00 +1300 Deborah https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94882#post94882 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94882#post94882

Is it a cryptic strunk-and-white reference?

Nothing so erudite. I'm being a pendant, after all, not a language-smith. Just a misplaced full stop. It should be within the quote marks, not without.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:25:58 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94878#post94878 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94878#post94878

shows like CSI fail to depict the amount of time real scientists spend playing Minesweeper while waiting for the reaction to run.

You haven't watched the extended version on the DVD then?

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:10:57 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94876#post94876 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94876#post94876

In short it's a core technique in biology that frequently does not work as advertised :).

To vaguely relate this to the topic in some way: also used as part of testing DNA for crime scenes. Strangely enough, however, shows like CSI fail to depict the amount of time real…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:07:17 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94859#post94859 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94859#post94859

That would be:

"I'm definitely getting one of their five hundred copies[*] of The Elements of Style, but ideally in an edition that won't clash with the couch."

Okay, I tried to tilt the screen to see if there was something I was missing, but this is killing me: how…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:34:20 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94858#post94858 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94858#post94858

Whad'ya tryin' to do Emma – keep us on topic????

Hey, someone asked a serious question back on page one and I still haven't addressed it.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:32:10 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94856#post94856 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94856#post94856 Whad'ya tryin' to do Emma – keep us on topic????

I do think you missed a piece in your How to:

Spend more time scheduling and appearing in interviews than you do reading the legislation, after all it's about about getting your face in the media.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:29:36 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94854#post94854 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94854#post94854 PCR is a method of getting lots of copies of a piece of DNA.
Full name Polymerase Chain Reaction.

Invented by Kary Mullis for which he received the Nobel prize. And yes there are arguments about just how much he invented. But he is nevertheless an entertaining speaker :).

PCR…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:26:22 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94853#post94853 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94853#post94853 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:23:40 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94838#post94838 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94838#post94838

Maybe they were going to sort them by colour.

Hey, watch it, I've done that. It was really handy for those times you felt like reading something red.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:36:30 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94836#post94836 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94836#post94836

So how many shots is that worth?

In the entire press release I counted twelve. Every instance of
– hysterical
– responsible
– reasonable
– simple
– distorting
and every insinuation that the other side has some kind of mysterious ulterior motive. Also an extra square/shot for using a stat…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:35:45 +1300 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94833#post94833 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94833#post94833

And they were clearly going by looks.

Maybe they were going to sort them by colour.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:31:00 +1300 Ian MacKay https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94832#post94832 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94832#post94832 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:30:16 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94831#post94831 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94831#post94831

I know people are speaking highly of Chris Hocquard on the other thread, but for purposes of this one I'd just like to call

BINGO!

So how many shots is that worth?

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:26:02 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94830#post94830 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94830#post94830 Ahem. Shifting this to the right thread...

For those not being inundated with S92 emails, I thought I'd share this.

Hysterical response to Copyright changes rings alarms

Principal of Entertainment Law Firm, Dominion Law Chris Hocquard has this to contribute to the ongoing debate over the implementation of a Code…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:17:34 +1300 Deborah https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94826#post94826 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94826#post94826

The best I can do is "I'm definitely getting one of their five hundred copies[*] of The Elements of Style, but ideally in an edition that won't clash with the couch".

Normally I keep my inner pendant firmly under control in comment threads, but when The Elements of Style is…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:12:27 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94818#post94818 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94818#post94818 here. ]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:49:33 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94816#post94816 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94816#post94816

Talk about contamination issues.

Spill kit???

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:45:07 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94814#post94814 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94814#post94814

That's Ok Lucy. A good bit of screaming does wonders for the ambience of the lab. Mwa ha ha ha ha

Yeah, but who's gonna clean up afterwards? Talk about contamination issues.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:42:38 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94812#post94812 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94812#post94812

I promise you I wouldn't have gone quietly.

That's Ok Lucy. A good bit of screaming does wonders for the ambience of the lab. Mwa ha ha ha ha

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:31:40 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94808#post94808 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94808#post94808

Is there any interpretation of this that doesn't spell doom for humanity? Answers on a postcard. The best I can do is "I'm definitely getting one of their five hundred copies[*] of The Elements of Style, but ideally in an edition that won't clash with the couch".

Oh, there is…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:20:59 +1300 Sara Bee https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94802#post94802 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94802#post94802 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:07:30 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94801#post94801 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94801#post94801

Apparantly summer students please them most but it can be difficult to explain to the graduate centre.

...I was doing those PCRs as a summer research student. And I promise you I wouldn't have gone quietly.

Although that does explain why all the thesis students seemed to be moving in…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 13:07:09 +1300 Sayana https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94797#post94797 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94797#post94797 I'm just wondering if anyone would care about the destruction of books, if they were all the Readers' Digest Condensed Book books. These always look much more impressive than they actually are.


Except the Mrs Pollifax series, which needed a healthy dose of 'abridging' anyway.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:59:29 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94795#post94795 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94795#post94795

Funily enough this is exactly how Simon Powers intends to bring the crime rate down with his new DNA seizure laws...

Two problems:

1. It mostly didn't work.
2. I was using this technique on samples from bumblebees, who are not known for their frequent appearance in police databases.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:58:29 +1300 Jo S https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94794#post94794 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94794#post94794

Now if only someone had told me about the correct sacrificial process before the last three months of PCRs and gels, that would have been really helpful. As it was, I mostly resorted to scowling at the DNA samples to try and make them behave.

The PCR gods are fickle…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:58:11 +1300 Amy Gale https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94792#post94792 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94792#post94792 I've never seen the disembodied book spine thing, but I have heard of people turning up to Ithaca's Friends of the Library Book Sale with fabric swatches.

Is there any interpretation of this that doesn't spell doom for humanity? Answers on a postcard. The best I can do is "I'm…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:54:28 +1300 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94791#post94791 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94791#post94791

Which is all very well until they start enforcing the relevant section of the urban livestock law. Unless we can spin the donkeys as a fleet of low-emission hybrid vehicles?

Maybe you could take a leaf out of the owners of the Madison house and skin it and put it…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:51:32 +1300 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94790#post94790 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94790#post94790

I mostly resorted to scowling at the DNA samples to try and make them behave.

Funily enough this is exactly how Simon Powers intends to bring the crime rate down with his new DNA seizure laws...

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:50:36 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94788#post94788 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94788#post94788

OTOH, we could make a drinking game.

It would dull the pain, which always helps.

When I was doing my masters we had moved on to making sacrifice to a fluorescent green plastic alien to make the PCRs work.
I wonder if there's a statement in there about the culture…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:46:45 +1300 Jo S https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94770#post94770 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94770#post94770

We used to sacrifice to Barbie to get difficult PCRs to work

When I was doing my masters we had moved on to making sacrifice to a fluorescent green plastic alien to make the PCRs work.
I wonder if there's a statement in there about the culture change ...

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:01:04 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94764#post94764 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94764#post94764

Not only did some Dozy Wellingtonians buy trains that were too big for the tunnels

It's more that the original constructors of the railway built tunnels that were too small for any reasonable modern train, and that past governments baulked on spending the dollars to rebuild said tunnels.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:45:36 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94762#post94762 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94762#post94762

as a totem: The Donkey of Thesis Completion

We used to sacrifice to Barbie to get difficult PCRs to work

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:44:14 +1300 Michael Stevens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94746#post94746 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94746#post94746 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:57:03 +1300 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94744#post94744 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94744#post94744 I saw years ago in a book or magazine this kitchen that looked like a library full of old leather-bound books. Strange combination, I thought, since that's where you cook and get stuff all greasy. But it got worse: it turns out they weren't actual books. They were just spines… ]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:45:06 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94734#post94734 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94734#post94734

Does Emma collect a bonus for each "issue" that follows her plan?

Yet another case of life imitating blogging.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:31:56 +1300 Andrew Stevenson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94733#post94733 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94733#post94733 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:31:37 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94730#post94730 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94730#post94730

Does Emma collect a bonus for each "issue" that follows her plan?

I really need no further appreciation than the knowledge that the next time you hear someone trundling this stuff out, you think of me. OTOH, we could make a drinking game.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:26:08 +1300 Ian MacKay https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94727#post94727 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94727#post94727 Is Madison real? Looks very much like a computer generated fantasy to me.
It is strange how to "Make a Stupid law" resonates. When put up against how Collins, Ryall, Key, Sainsbury, have so far handled issues like boy racers, parole, sentencing makes me think that they are working from…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:19:42 +1300 Andrew Stevenson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94723#post94723 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94723#post94723

Gah. I'd love to see a figure for how much that actually saved them, so we can note how many times over they spend it in the next couple of weeks.

It also will tell us how much discrimination is worth to the economy. Should we be expecting to see…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:13:13 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94716#post94716 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94716#post94716

Is the 'how to make a stupid law' thread an appropriate place to have a very peeved moment about the axing of the pay equity inquiries?

Gah. I'd love to see a figure for how much that actually saved them, so we can note how many times over they spend…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:59:28 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94708#post94708 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94708#post94708

Is the 'how to make a stupid law' thread an appropriate place to have a very peeved moment about the axing of the pay equity inquiries? Well, even if it isn't, let me have the moment anyway, or I might implode in my cubicle:

GAH! BAH! MEH! ARGH!

Those smarmy…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:48:59 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94706#post94706 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94706#post94706 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:44:32 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94705#post94705 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94705#post94705 Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:43:28 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94704#post94704 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94704#post94704 Y'know, funny thing is, when we drove out of town after my defense, my ass was nowhere to be seen !

Probably galloping off into the sunset in a freelance, unhybrid (good point, there) sort of way.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:42:03 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94701#post94701 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94701#post94701

The Donkey of Thesis Completion.

Hope you were able to finish the thing without busting your ass.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:32:49 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94699#post94699 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94699#post94699

But State Services Minister Tony Ryall said the investigations would "generate an additional form of remuneration pressure that is unaffordable in the current economic and fiscal environment".

Elections are an expensive business. As a cost cutting measure in these difficult times, I suggest next time we don't let women vote.…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:25:44 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94697#post94697 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94697#post94697 Rich, you've got a lot of coats. Just sayin'.

Danielle – gaaaah! WHAT? Just when Obama made it right for all the Lilly Ledbetters out there. Tony Ryall, crocodile.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:13:04 +1300 Danielle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94696#post94696 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94696#post94696 Is the 'how to make a stupid law' thread an appropriate place to have a very peeved moment about the axing of the pay equity inquiries? Well, even if it isn't, let me have the moment anyway, or I might implode in my cubicle:

GAH! BAH! MEH! ARGH!

Those smarmy gits.…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:11:02 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94695#post94695 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94695#post94695

Do pedophiles only operate effectively more than 60feet in the air?

We're having some problems with pressure stabilisation and low-altitude maneouvring. My team should have this fixed by the time we roll out the MkII version.
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I'll get me coat....

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:10:34 +1300 Andrew Stevenson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94692#post94692 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94692#post94692

Unless we can spin the donkeys as a fleet of low-emission hybrid vehicles?

No, while they are 100% biofuel compatible a donkey can't be hybrid, it's mules that are the hybrids

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:31:33 +1300 andrew llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94690#post94690 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94690#post94690

One can finally use the phrase "peccable taste".

Dude, your erudition has me gruntled.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:26:50 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94679#post94679 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94679#post94679

Hold that Donkey, Giovanni! Jolisa is pulling a fast one on you.

Curses, Paul. You cost me a sale. I had him down for at least 10 yards. (Intellectuals – they can't just stop at one).

You get a donkey! You get a donkey! You get a donkey!... EVERYBODY GETS…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:41:59 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94678#post94678 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94678#post94678

How could meaningful legislation possibly be constructed in a city that's lost its tape measures??

Perhaps not meaningful legislation, but certainly the "one size fits all" kind.

Anyone can sell old books. For the craftsmanship of false books, you need to go to the The Manor Bindery

Oh, genius. And…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:30:58 +1300 Kerry Weston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94639#post94639 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94639#post94639 There's something in the water in Wellington, i tell you ...

Not only did some Dozy Wellingtonians buy trains that were too big for the tunnels – and I'd really like to know how they realised their mistake – but more DW's bought new hospital beds that don't fit through…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:24:30 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94635#post94635 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94635#post94635

the two laws in the news this week are in fact just headline-grabbing but otherwise blunted statutes designed not to be enforced

Nothing like a good distraction while you are planning something really unpleasant (which in the circumstances seems somewhat inevitable anyway). Should keep us busy until late May..

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:51:19 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94633#post94633 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94633#post94633

One careless owner...

Rofflenui

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:49:07 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94632#post94632 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94632#post94632

And Emma gets a bonus monkey on the lam (it's Spot The American Talk Show Night, clearly) for my role in the hijacking of her thread.

Oh, I think we were well and truly jacked before you got here, but I appreciate the sentiment. Also the opportunity to mention the…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:47:44 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94629#post94629 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94629#post94629

Anyone can sell old books. For the craftsmanship of false books, you need to go to the The Manor Bindery. I know they are not old, but at least they are fake.

You get a donkey! You get a donkey! You get a donkey!... EVERYBODY GETS A DONKEY!

And Emma…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:40:39 +1300 Paul Litterick https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94618#post94618 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94618#post94618 Hold that Donkey, Giovanni! Jolisa is pulling a fast one on you. If you read the text of Books by the Yard's site, you will see that they are offering books, complete books, not spines. This is not what you wanted.

Anyone can sell old books. For the craftsmanship of…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:53:54 +1300 Zippy Gonzales https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94602#post94602 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94602#post94602

Batman was always brooding around on top of tall buildings, after all.

Yeah, Batman took it pretty hard when they banned Bat Rohypnol.

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:48:33 +1300 JoJo https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94594#post94594 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94594#post94594 Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:36:54 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94593#post94593 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94593#post94593

And of course you can order books by the yard..

YES! Thank you, just what I was after. "Our assortment of foreign-text collections is both beautiful and price-effective."

The donkey is in the mail.

That said, it would drive me bonkers to have printed matter on the wall. I'd be…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:35:08 +1300 Don Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94591#post94591 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94591#post94591 Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:28:29 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94589#post94589 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94589#post94589 And of course you can order books by the yard.

Contrary to popular belief, the most expensive aspect of creating an elegant library or study is not the furniture. It is not the impressive bookcase or the fancy lighting or even the cozy reading chair. Actually, the priciest design element…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:23:06 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94587#post94587 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94587#post94587 See now, why mess about with ripping apart real books and gluing them to your walls when there are so many excellent trompe l'oeil options?

Plus, the really interesting bits are inside. That said, it would drive me bonkers to have printed matter on the wall. I'd be reading it…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 18:15:39 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94585#post94585 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94585#post94585

Almost, but not quite what you were looking for. Still, it is spectacularly awful.

Indeed. I did spot some of those, and in some cases I suspect they are actually made with the spines of real books, but it's hard to be sure. And they won't answer my emails :-)…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:57:24 +1300 Brent Jackson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94582#post94582 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94582#post94582 Giovanni wrote:

Does anybody know what I'm talking about ...

I know what you mean. We came across it when we were looking at kitchen designs as well. Our thoughts were pretty much how is it possible that anyone who likes books enough to want it to look like they…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:36:03 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94580#post94580 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94580#post94580

That's... I... But... Good Lord. Do pedophiles only operate effectively more than 60feet in the air?

Suddenly, the moral panic around superhero comics in the fifties makes *perfect sense*. Batman was always brooding around on top of tall buildings, after all.

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:19:43 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94577#post94577 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94577#post94577 Poo coloured marble bathroom? Excuse me??One careless owner... ]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:07:33 +1300 Eddie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94576#post94576 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94576#post94576 spectacularly awful. It'd go well with the decor in "Madison". ]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:05:19 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94575#post94575 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94575#post94575 I've been waiting for years for PAS to get onto the subject of kitchen design, so I'll jump at the chance.

A shiny donkey for the person who can help me with something I'd like to blog about: I saw years ago in a book or magazine this kitchen that…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:01:52 +1300 Andrew Stevenson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94569#post94569 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94569#post94569 So can we start a moral panic about stupid laws and get them made banned (any MP introducing one considered stupid will be jailed)?

Think of the effect the bad laws have would have on the children!

Can you use their own weapons against them?

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:53:53 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94568#post94568 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94568#post94568 Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:51:18 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94566#post94566 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94566#post94566

How do big game hunter, italian renaissance, and especially the country distressed kitchen go together???

What made me giggle was the name of this, er, palace. Madison. They go all out for "originality" on the decor, and then settle on a name unique to, oh, every other girl under five?…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:50:36 +1300 giovanni tiso https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94565#post94565 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94565#post94565

Poo coloured marble bathroom? Excuse me??

One can finally use the phrase "peccable taste".

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:49:32 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94564#post94564 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94564#post94564

THE height of a proposed high-rise development has been slashed because parents fear pedophiles will be able to spy on children from the top storeys

That's... I... But... Good Lord.

And see, this is one of the reasons it works. Because the sheer bat-fuck crazy just leaves you completely incoherent.…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:47:12 +1300 andrew llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94562#post94562 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94562#post94562

And the ACTUAL LION HEAD rug?

Reminds me of that picture opf Governor Palin reclining on a dead kodiak bear.

I leave dead animals lying around like that & I get hell, I can tell you.

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:38:56 +1300 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94561#post94561 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94561#post94561 THE height of a proposed high-rise development has been slashed because parents fear pedophiles will be able to spy on children from the top storeys
That's... I... But... Good Lord. Do pedophiles only operate effectively more than 60feet in the air?

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:37:12 +1300 Eddie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94559#post94559 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94559#post94559 Excellent post, Emma.

Re the house. Two things stuck out to me.

1) Poo coloured marble bathroom? Excuse me??
2) How do big game hunter, italian renaissance, and especially the country distressed kitchen go together??? Was it designed by 4 different designers who never talked to each other??

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:33:54 +1300 Deborah https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94557#post94557 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94557#post94557 Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:30:24 +1300 Stuart Coats https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94556#post94556 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94556#post94556 Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:23:47 +1300 Danielle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94555#post94555 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94555#post94555

Take my haaaand, I'm a stranger in paradiiiise...

Bwah!

Also: ya-ha-ha-HOWZA. That is SOMETHING. I mean, sorry for shouting, but the Botticelli Venus reproduction on the ceiling? And that bathroom! And the ACTUAL LION HEAD rug?

Cannot. Process.

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:20:29 +1300 MikeE https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94554#post94554 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94554#post94554 "Yup. Sums up the Sensible Sentencing Trust (and the ACT party) in one."

"And where would the Greens be without Sue Bradford saving all New Zealand children from child abuse?"

Or Jim Anderton from BZP

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:19:38 +1300 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94553#post94553 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94553#post94553

And where would the Greens be without Sue Bradford saving all New Zealand children from child abuse?

Where would we be without those moral crusaders, out to save innocent parents from prosecution?

But lets have that debate again some other time soon :)

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:19:30 +1300 Andrew Stevenson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94552#post94552 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94552#post94552 Good post again Emma; thought provoking, coherent, relevant and yet scary.

I imagine this has been happening in some form since the first town meetings in Athens, has anyone worked out suitable counter strategies?

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:14:58 +1300 andrew llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94550#post94550 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94550#post94550

Speaking of moral panic, check out this house:

Take my haaaand, I'm a stranger in paradiiiise...

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:10:10 +1300 Stuart Coats https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94544#post94544 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94544#post94544 law against my typing. ]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:00:40 +1300 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94543#post94543 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94543#post94543

Speaking of moral panic, check out this house:

Now, how could one possibly justify a moral panic around a house? Oh, that's right, you move to Queensland:

THE height of a proposed high-rise development has been slashed because parents fear pedophiles will be able to spy on children from the…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:59:02 +1300 Stuart Coats https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94541#post94541 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94541#post94541 Speaking of moral panic, check out this house:

http://www.open2view.com.au/Property/76263?key=91c7eacbfaf7c619c5a8&search_id=957568

There should be a lwa aginst taste like that!

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:53:18 +1300 Angus Robertson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94537#post94537 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94537#post94537

Yup. Sums up the Sensible Sentencing Trust (and the ACT party) in one.

And where would the Greens be without Sue Bradford saving all New Zealand children from child abuse?

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:45:40 +1300 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94536#post94536 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94536#post94536

Please note that this step is purely optional and can be avoided with a liberal application of Parliamentary Urgency.

It also helps if you don't give the politicians time to read it before they vote. This way, any tendency to logical analysis they have hiding deep within their souls will…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:40:54 +1300 Chris Smith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94528#post94528 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94528#post94528

Once the legislative process starts and people can see fine detail in your stupid law...

Please note that this step is purely optional and can be avoided with a liberal application of Parliamentary Urgency.

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:10:00 +1300 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94527#post94527 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94527#post94527 It helps if the major opposition party is desperate to seem tougher on lawanordah.

Cause then you've only got the Liberal Democrats or Greens to oppose the substance. And who's going to listen to Keith Locke?

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:04:48 +1300 Idiot Savant https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94522#post94522 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94522#post94522

I particualrly like the bit about emotional screeching. So true, so true.....

Yup. Sums up the Sensible Sentencing Trust (and the ACT party) in one.

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:52:19 +1300 Idiot Savant https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94520#post94520 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94520#post94520 Meanwhile, if you want to try your hand at making non-shit legislation, or fixing existing shit legislation, then you can join the New Zealand Progressive Bills Project. But you'll need to create your own moral panics.

(Well, its marginally relevant).

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:51:35 +1300 Stuart Coats https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94518#post94518 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94518#post94518 Bravo Emma.

I particualrly like the bit about emotional screeching. So true, so true.....

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2009 14:51:16 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94517#post94517 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-the-up-front-guide-how-to-make-a/?p=94517#post94517 Discussion from blog post.

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