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				<title>Kerry Weston</title>
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						I see all of these languages, whether sign language, paint, music, dance as being equally valid as spoken language. It's just that we have made words the most important. I don't see the point any more of stuffing kids' heads with knowledge in the conformist way we do via school.…
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote>But I could be provocative and ask who wants to foster connection, and why?</blockquote> Of course, Hilary. I had asked myself that. A valid question indeed. Let me think on that one!
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And, I should add, what of those children who are on the autism spectrum? I would be interested to know how you foster connection with those children who find it difficult to deal with the concepts of what we see as social ability.</p></blockquote><p>Jackie, good question. There are numerous interventions…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 16:07:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kerry Weston</title>
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						On the subject of art therapy, I just read a biog 'Painting Out the Past' celebrating the life and work of Patricia France (1911-95). Patricia's painting career took off late in life (in her sixties) and she enjoyed a good deal of success &ndash; encouraged by Hotere & jeffery Harris, amongst…
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				<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:54:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Do's this mean that New Zealand psychologists are less cash remuneration driven than there Australian counterparts? or are there other efficiencies available.</p></blockquote><p>I can't comment on the pay rate, but there are a lot more psychologists available over there, and a lot more specialist services that you can get referred…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:30:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kerry Weston</title>
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						<blockquote><p>it's easier for governments to sell policies for nailing the crims that people hear about in the paper, than policies for preventing crime before it happens.</p></blockquote><p>Yes, i do get that  &ndash; how do we measure what doesn't happen? Our successes at keeping people doing good and productive things? No…</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						And, I should add, what of those children who are on the autism spectrum? I would be interested to know how you foster connection with those children who find it difficult to deal with the concepts of what we see as social ablility.
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote>the most difficult part for me was maintaining intense eye contact, which let me feeling vulnerable and exposed. Clearly I am used to using language in a way that deflects attention from myself, a language culture where people read your face so intently doesn't allow this kind of distancing.</blockquote> You…
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote>what is the potential for bullying? it would be very hard to feel good about a name not given with warmth. for instance two of my classmates went on an immersion weekend and came back with sign names, one of the two was visibly discomfited by how he was perceived…</blockquote>
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				<title>ali bramwell</title>
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						<p>Interesting discussion.  </p><p>I did an introductory course in NZSL, as a hearing person, and found it unexpectedly confronting. The most difficult part for me was maintaining intense eye contact, which let me feeling vulnerable and exposed. Clearly I am used to using language in a way that deflects attention from…</p>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I just don't get why governments want to pay the $80-odd grand per prisoner, per year, to keep our ever-expanding jails full for longer</p></blockquote><p>The sad thing about preventative social programmes like those you describe is that as soon as one high-profile case happens regardless, the usual suspects will be…</p>
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				<title>Kerry Weston</title>
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						And isn't that weird, Hilary? I just don't get why governments want to pay the $80-odd grand per prisoner, per year,  to keep our ever-expanding jails full for longer &ndash; instead of paying for more child/adolescent psychologists, alternative education programmes for kids who are struggling (and might benefit from art/music…
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						My daughter has just come back from Australia having finished her Masters in Art Therapy which means she is a qualified as a child and adolescent psychotherapist with a specialty in art (very useful for kids with behavioural issues, trauma, grief etc, also autism, ADHD). She would like to work…
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				<title>Susan Snowdon</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Do's this mean that New Zealand psychologists are less cash remuneration driven than there Australian counterparts? or are there other efficiencies available.</p></blockquote><p>Re psychologists in NZ. My daughter's doing her post graduate training in Victoria. She's funded as a 'local', same as if she was doing it here in NZ,…</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						(Also, on learning as an adult &ndash; I feel there are many more deep concerns competing for my attention now. As a teenager, I could devote hours every day to anything that interested me. If anything's slowing up my various educational endeavours right now, it's time and attention, not capability).
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<blockquote>I've retained much more of the French I started learning at about seven than the extra French from high school and uni, and almost none of the Russian I learned at varsity. I feel like it's much harder to learn new languages now that I'm old and my brain is…</blockquote>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>NZ would offer as much with a moderate increase in the funding, they are well used to stretching on the 'smell of an oily rag' here.</p></blockquote><p>And there's the real craziness.  It will take a lot of money, but not nearly as much as the pallid wonks in Treasury fear…</p>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<blockquote>acquisition of L2 as an adult is (IMHO) a function of opportunity (environment) and motivation (need/reward).</blockquote>Yes, though there are also important roles for at least two other factors: *language aptitude* (some people have skill sets &mdash; including sound perception, grammatical category awareness, pattern recognition, and rote learning ability &mdash; that…
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The lack of a genuine, professional presence in NZ is not just a "gap" it's a cold-hearted, ignorant decision to with-hold essential health care from children and their families.</p></blockquote><p>My mother is a child and adolescent psychologist who's worked on both sides of the Tasman (Wellington and Perth).</p><p>Yes, these…</p>
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				<title>stephen walker</title>
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						<p>acquisition of L2 as an adult is (IMHO) a function of opportunity (environment) and motivation (need/reward).</p><p>also, it doesn't matter how young or old you are when you learn a languge, if you don't use it you will lose it. of that i am reasonably sure.</p><p>on an individual level,…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote>I've retained much more of the French I started learning at about seven than the extra French from high school and uni, and almost none of the Russian I learned at varsity. I feel like it's much harder to learn new languages now that I'm old and my brain is…</blockquote>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There is some conditional support for the Critical Period Hypothesis. But note:<br />&ndash; Human brain development is gradual and doesn't suddenly stop, so instead of a set "critical period" after which language learning becomes impossible , we may have a "sensitive period" after which language learning is less efficient (so…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I've retained much more of the French I started learning at about seven than the extra French from high school and uni, and almost none of the Russian I learned at varsity</p></blockquote><p>What Emma said. In fact *exactly* what Emma said. That's a little creepy. </p><p>I will note that I…</p>
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				<title>Kerry Weston</title>
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						Front page of today's Dom &ndash; Auckland University psychologist Ian Lambie: "At the end of the day, we've got an inadequate workforce, there's no specialist training in child and adolescent psychology in New Zealand and it's a gap." This is in reference to the mooted boot camps and Judge Andrew…
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Most New Zealanders have no idea quite how distrustful and tiring the system is. The deeply-embedded assumption seems to be that disabled people and our familes are out to rip off the state.</p></blockquote><p>It's exhausting, absolutely go home and cry exhausting. To spend two months trying to get an IEP…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It would certainly make ordering drinks in a loud bar easier...</p></blockquote><p>Too true, Mikaere.  Need to make sure it's well lit, though.  I'm told that Deaf parties are, and that eavesdropping is easier.  Your wife and others here would know more, for sure.</p>
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						<blockquote><p>The advent of faxes and then texting made a huge difference in incorporating deaf into society. A section of our community who had previously ignored all telecommunication devices became avid uptakers of the new technology, which I don't think the Telco's had thought about, or expected.</p></blockquote><p>And let's not forget…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>My brother is profoundly deaf, born in 1964, affected by the Rubella epidemic of the year before.<br />...<br />It was partly due to that epidemic that things changed, partly because there were so many more deaf than usual, and also because the disease was indiscriminate of the victims. Not just…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I always did think <em>handicap</em>  was a more accurate, <em>nicer</em>  way of describing disability. It makes things harder, it doesn't stop them altogether (disabled, just seems, and maybe it doesn't technically, like it means <em>not able</em> ).</p></blockquote><p>Graeme, I quite like "challenged" which is even less restrictive &ndash; but it…</p>
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						<p>Still feel any response I make is only scratching the surface, but here are a few.</p><blockquote><p>Everything that should have been hers by right, we had to fight for.</p></blockquote><p>Most New Zealanders have no idea quite how distrustful and tiring the system is.  The deeply-embedded assumption seems to be that…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What we need is a cohort of identical twins to experiment on &ndash; and of course some summer students to sacrifice :).</p></blockquote><p>I am glad to see you know your priorities. *g*</p>
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						<blockquote><p>She was made head librarian there last week (school, not the couch) and she's very proud of that, even though it appears to be because she's 'detail oriented' and doesn't mind telling other kids off.</p></blockquote><p>It has been my experience that these qualities serve you very well in later life.…</p>
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				<title>Isabel Hitchings</title>
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						Re: learning sign. If I recall correctly (I'll give you 50:50 odds on that) infants of signing parents learn sign following almost the exact same process as any infant learning the language of it's parents and, no matter when we start, we'll never learn another language as easily and completely…
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						My understanding about the language acquisition thing (and I'm reaching back a long way into the vaults here) is that babies will make any old sound but as they grow they winnow out the "useless" sounds and retain those used in the language they hear around them to the point…
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						Just wanted to add my appreciation of another beautifully written blog Emma. You do use some remarkable phrases to draw us into your life and family.
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						<blockquote><p>that there is some kind of cut-off point for learning languages in the same way as children learn their native language</p></blockquote><p>I did a little more reading around this and found that there is considerable ... er discussion, about the critical point hypothesis.</p><p>It seems that between 2 and 5…</p>
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				<title>Heather W.</title>
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						<p>One specialist mentioned a boy that always did better with hearing tests on hot days &ndash; (could see muscle movement of male tech in short  but not in long sleeves).</p><p>Doing a vision test for a non-verbal child also made for interesting times.</p>
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						<blockquote>from about 2.5 yrs till 8-9 the brain absorbs language much easier. Past that it's just plain hard work.</blockquote>This idea is discussed in most introductory Applied Linguistics texts under the heading of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_period" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Critical Period Hypothesis</a> (see also this helpful <a href="http://tesl-ej.org/ej14/r14.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">book review of Birdsong(1999)</a>) &mdash; that there is some kind…
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<blockquote><p>She was made head librarian there last week... it appears to be because she's 'detail oriented' and doesn't mind telling other kids off.</p></blockquote><p>You must nip this tendency in the bud! Believe me, librarianship is a miserable existence! :)</p><p>(I couldn't identify more with your inability to hear the doctor…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p>I want to say a general big thank you for all the lovely things that have been said, both in comments and via email. I find myself all choked up and inarticulate, so I can only hope my silence is correctly interpreted.</p><p>I've had said daughter home sick from school…</p>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						Beautiful post Emma, it's truly moving. It  filled me with the deepest respect for you and your family, and strong sense of regret for some of those flippant comments I ignorantly made about their education. I also feel a renewed sense of appreciation of the sounds I can hear. thank…
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				<title>Zippy Gonzales</title>
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						Given that Deaf tend to read books more than the average contemporary hearing person, is there sufficient numbers to sustain an NZ Deaf tertiary institution? The US has <a href="http://www.gallaudet.edu/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gallaudet University</a>, for example.
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						Interesting thought re "having it too easy makes for shallowness." Think of those beautiful children who have a private school background and mix with the right people and get the best of material stuff. Parents believe that they are giving these kids the best start that they can. Adversity sharpens…
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think NZSL has a lot to offer stroke victims.</p></blockquote><p>Also DS kids, who will typically develop spoken language a lot later, so often learn sign language from one year old. I've seen my niece do the sign for 'crackers' umpteen times :)</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Regarding Bonobo and chimps (and babies?). It looks as though the development of speech might be one of the major differences between humans and apes at the genetic level. </p><p>Humans have a version of a gene called <a href="http://www.evolutionpages.com/FOXP2_language.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">FOXP2</a> that seems to allow for the muscular control needed to speak. It's…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Sam &ndash; I've replied over at Mediocrity watch too. It did not fill me with optimism.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:55:47 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>I would like it to be a compulsory school subject from 5 years old for all children...</p></blockquote><p>Why don't we teach languages at age 3-5 when the kids brains are actually wired up to learn language? </p><p>From what I've read from about 2.5 yrs till 8-9 the brain absorbs language…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:27:56 +1300</pubDate>
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						<blockquote><p>My girl gets ropey if you use any word to describe her that isn't her name.</p></blockquote><p>Damn straight.</p><p>On the level of the individual your name is your name. You aren't "tall guy" "blonde girl" "girl with tattoo", you have a name, it's yours and people should use it.</p><p>Same…</p>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<p>Crossposted from Mediocrity Watch:</p><p>Don't know if this has already been posted, but I heard <a href="http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/oif/oif-20090222-1906-One_in_Five_for_Sunday_22_February_2009-048.mp3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Paula Bennett on NatRad's One in Five</a> last night, speaking as the new Minister for Disability Issues.</p><p>Thoughts? I wasn't particularly impressed myself &ndash; Bennett was certainly on-message but specifics seemed to be a long…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>It would be easy to incorporate NZSL into the primary school classroom as it is such kinetic learning, involving the upper body and face. Just needs the political will and the teachers. Then kids could teach their hearing impaired grandparents, or baby siblngs.</p><p>I would recommend anyone having a go…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>.Funny you mention Milan, Giovanni. From Languages of New Zealand (VUP):</p></blockquote><p>I didn't know that, very interesting. The school did teach sign at the time I was at intermediate though. Later I did briefly have the experience of looking after a deaf man in his early twenties who was assigned…</p>
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				<title>Amy Gale</title>
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						I used to live around the corner from <a href="http://www.47aslhs.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The American Sign Language & English Secondary School</a>. One of my strongest memories of that area is the long lines of teenagers surging up 23rd in the afternoons, concave for line-of-sight, engrossed in conversation.
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						Emma, your take on "handicapping" recalls to mind Vonnegut's short story <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Bergeron" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Harrison Bergeron</a> &mdash; the one with the Handicapper General, whose job is to ensure "equality" by, e.g. giving people masks (for beauty), weights (for fitness), or distracting sounds (for intelligence)...
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 00:29:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Emma, it's too late right now to go exploring all the things you've said, but it doesn't take long to say this: you're a sensational prose writer.
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						<p>Anybody ever done studies on late1960's/early1970s Deaf employment areas?<br />I worked in woollen mills &amp; carpet factories then, and there were an astonishing number (to me) Deaf employed then &amp; there. They kept to themselves...</p>
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				<title>Zippy Gonzales</title>
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						There are some real horror stories from the old days. I watched people recount stories of corporal punishment for signing, having to sit on their hands in class or stand in the corner, basically shutting down all input. The focus on lipreading at the expense of general learning confined many…
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						<p>Bonobo males are definite personalities &amp; good people &ndash; I've met 4 of them (including, handshake &amp;hand kiss only, Kanzi)- and polite. Bonobo females are sooo &ndash; themselves! And not polite! They seem to pick up I'm a neither/ nor v. quickly, but cease dominance tactics equally quickly<br />even in zoo settings!…</p>
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						Rachel and David McKee run a great course at Vic Uni. DEAF 101 opened my eyes to a world I didn't know about. And Book is an excellent sign name!
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						I'd have thought that as bonobos are matriarchal it wouldn't be quite so good for a bloke in that setting. Unless of course you were going to come back as a female .
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				<title>Zippy Gonzales</title>
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						I hope to be reincarnated as a bonobo.
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						<p>Emma your post is frank and fascinating as always.</p><p>I have been to the end year concerts put on by the Auckland Primary Schools in the town hall, a different selection every night. Some of the most heart warming performances, are those by the children from the Kelston School for…</p>
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						<p>O glory be! Songs in sign &amp; other languages all at once!</p><p> A long time ago, I invented the kind of people I wish we (some of us anyway) could become- people who held kindliness, strong pacifism*, deep intelligence allied with wisdom, knowledge &amp; understanding, who live in &amp; by the sea (no!…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:37:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						Rachel McKee edited a lovely book called <a href="http://www.dawnsign.com/shopping/Detail.cfm?ProductID=110" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">People of the Eye</a>. She transcribed the signed stories of a variety of Deaf kiwis, from teenagers to people old enough to have been taught by Gerrit van Asch &ndash; a man with a big bushy beard who insisted deaf children learn to…
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						Zippy- YEP! Our closest rellies (chimps, bonobos) use their *own* signs/gestures, as well as sounds (and some smells): these communications are engrained in us as hominoids-that's a really wellworthwhile idea to be taken up by &ndash; medical communicators?
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						I think NZSL has a lot to offer stroke victims. Different areas of the brain are used to conceptualise and gesture comapared with language and speech.
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						Thanks Emma, you traveller you. Too tired to think straight now so will come back tomorrow. Love to your family.
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote>Add that to a few basic greetings and questions, and it wouldn't take too long while providing people with an opening.  </blockquote> Interestingly enough,<a href="http://www.baby-talk.co.nz/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">signing</a>  works really well with babies. I had a friend who, 15 years ago, used it with her children &ndash; after they were about 8 mths or so…
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p>Thanks for that post, Emma; it was extremely moving as well as being an interesting look at a problem I've never had to think very much about, not know anyone hearing-impaired or deaf. I've seen interpreters in classes a few times, but that's it.</p><p>In regards to Sign, I remember…</p>
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				<title>Zippy Gonzales</title>
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						<p>Funny you mention Milan, Giovanni. From Languages of New Zealand (VUP):</p><p>For the NZSL community, the year 1880 is a landmark for two reasons. Firstly, in that year, hearing teachers of the Deaf at an international congress in Milan resolved to universally reject the use of sign languages which had…</p>
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				<title>Tony Parker</title>
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						<blockquote>That was the beginning of a long, fraught journey for our family. We fought with teachers who didn’t want to use the microphone for her FM system. We fought a long and ultimately unsuccessful battle to retain her itinerant hours. We fought to get IEP meetings scheduled, and for ENT…</blockquote>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Jackie, life is shit a *lot* of the time, but other than that, you're absolutely right. I've met a lot of people round the world, and the ones who have it easy-easy are...shallow. And they expect to always have it easy (and, covertly, think there is something wrong/bad/deserving-of-their-fate about those…
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Unfortunately, I know exactly what you mean.<br />here was a point at which the doctor's voice receded, becoming inaudible under a white sea of shock. He was telling us quite important things, but no matter how hard I tried I couldn't hear a word he said.</p></blockquote><p>Oh yes. The writing…</p>
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				<title>Hannah</title>
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						My brother is profoundly deaf, born in 1964, affected by the Rubella epidemic of the year before.  My family was living in Whangarei when he was diagnosed, around 3years old. Being deaf explained all sorts of behaviour, like screaming hysterically when the nice young doctor swooped on him from behind…
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				<title>Zippy Gonzales</title>
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						Thanks for an excellent post, Emma. Deafness can lead to a rich and colourful inner narrative, and the cicadas are never annoying. I wrote some of my own deaf experience <a href="http://gonzofreakpower.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-am-goat.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>if you're going to give people bad news, and you have to give them important information as well, write it down.</p></blockquote><p>That made me laugh, the right way, I hope. </p><p>At least you were not also having to translate the information from, say, Spanish (which has a fine public health…</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<blockquote><p>and school classrooms still aren't routinely being designed with good accoustics in mind.</p></blockquote><p>There's a hearing impaired child at my daughters' school, and his hearing is remarkably improved in classrooms with sound proofing.  And of course, the sound proofed classrooms are much, much better for the other children too.  The…</p>
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				<title>Lucy Arnold</title>
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						I went to Oliver Twist at van Asch last year and I thought it was such a great initiative &ndash; not least because I understand it brought together members of the wider deaf community including deaf students from hearing schools, not just van Asch. And it must be an interesting…
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>Interesting, thanks Emma.  </p><p>The Sign production sounds excellent &ndash; exactly the sort of thing I'd like to take my son along to once he's older to show him how different people communicate.</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>can I ask how "impaired" (seriously, I have no grasp of appropriate words today) her hearing is once it's enhanced with hearing aids?</p></blockquote><p>The problem is not so much the volume of sound as the quality of it. Her aids amplify sound in the speech range of pitches &ndash; but…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						A colleague who has a deaf son completed her Masters thesis last year on the experiences of parents of D/deaf/hearing impaired children who had cochlea implants. She interviewed several parents around NZ. I don't think she has published anything yet but it was a fascinating project.
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There was a point at which the doctor's voice receded, becoming inaudible under a white sea of shock. He was telling us quite important things, but no matter how hard I tried I couldn't hear a word he said.</p></blockquote><p>Maternal empathy perhaps. </p><p>A lovely story (not the right word at…</p>
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				<title>Mikaere Curtis</title>
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						<p><em>I would like it to be a compulsory school subject from 5 years old for all children as it could be extremely useful in all sorts of circumstances for all of us.</em></p><p>I fully agree.  It has been our third official language for almost three years now, and it would…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I don't know about compulsory &ndash; I'd like Maori to be compulsory, and a foreign language to be encouraged, so if you add sign and English that leaves twenty minutes a week to attend to everything else. Plus talk about the backlash you'd get. But widely taught, heck, yes.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah...…</p>
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				<title>Michael Stevens</title>
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						Thanks you for  this post Emma, and I am sure she will grow and prosperwith the love and support you demonstrate around her.
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There was a point at which the doctor's voice receded, becoming inaudible under a white sea of shock. He was telling us quite important things, but no matter how hard I tried I couldn't hear a word he said.</p></blockquote><p>Unfortunately, I know exactly what you mean.</p><p>If you have the…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I would like it to be a compulsory school subject from 5 years old for all children as it could be extremely useful in all sorts of circumstances for all of us.</p></blockquote><p>I don't know about compulsory &ndash; I'd like Maori to be compulsory, and a foreign language to be…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And did you all learn NZ Sign? I would like it to be a compulsory school subject from 5 years old for all children as it could be extremely useful in all sorts of circumstances for all of us.</p></blockquote><p>This is something that's improved since we went through the system.…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>This has made me much more at peace with the word 'handicapped'. She was naturally so pretty and clever and talented that she's been given an extra load to carry, just to make it fair on everyone else.</p></blockquote><p>I always did think <em>handicap</em>  was a more accurate, <em>nicer</em>  way of…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Thanks Emma. I really like parent stories, and even though each one is of course unique, they all contribute to normalising impairments as just part of human diversity. And like Gordon Brown and Duncan Cameron talking openly about their disabled children it makes it easier for the rest of us.…
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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