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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>What is really scary about that thought is that the future might be only a few years away. How will I adjust?</q></p><p>Yes, unpredictable. It's quite possible that progressive change is proposed that I object to deeply. That hasn't happened to me yet, but I can't rule it out, because…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I consider it clear there must be an upper limit simply by the definition of equality.</q></p><p>I should be more precise. This pertains to any individual quantity. There could be an infinite quantity of things to be equalized. Are there? If there are, is this infinity mainly caused by subdivision…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:08:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>And we laugh at how foolish they were</q></p><p>Do we? We might laugh at where they drew the line, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just because they got it wrong. They also had ideas about the limits about how fast humans can travel that were laughable then, but…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> there must be an upper limit to improving equality</q></p><p>But they thought that in the 1600s, and the 1700s, and the 1800s, and the 1900s.</p><p>And we laugh at how foolish they were.</p><p>It's partly, as Craig says, about recognising just how hard the fight was for those people who…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Maybe that's enough to be getting on with, but there is a sense that one day we might have done all the obvious stuff and be a bit lost.</q></p><p>Yes, there must be an upper limit to improving equality. It could be approached as an asymptote, so that more and…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I wonder how future generations will view the things we simply take for granted and think of as normal</q></p><p>It's also too damn easy to forget the rights and freedoms we currently enjoy didn't happen through the intercession of magic elves &mdash; something to think about on Women's Suffrage Day…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>I wonder how future generations will view the things we simply take for granted and think of as normal</q></p><p>It's a scary thought, isn't it? At least it's one we're capable of having. Even if we can't see where the changes will one day so "obviously" need to be, we…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> bank made you get married before it would grant a mortgage</q></p><p>We happened to be married at the time but I distinctly remember thinking "so married people don't default on loans?"</p><p>In the interests of not pissing off the person who could stop us being able to buy a house…</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p>Thanks Emma for the prompt to put in a submission here is mine just submitted. </p><p>I am a marriage celebrant and also run a social agency, Big Buddy, matching male mentors with fatherless boys in life long father figure relationships. <br />In the ten years I have doing this work I…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> oversomes</q></p><p>because they are over some of her</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>And does anyone want revert to the bad old good old days where a landlord could perfectly legally refuse to rent their property to a couple without a wedding certificate</q></p><p>Let alone the days when a bank made you get married before it would grant a mortgage.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:26:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Most of my friends who have gotten married did so after living together for many years, and co-incidentally had kids real soon afterwards.</q></p><p>And does anyone want revert to the bad old good old days where a landlord could perfectly legally refuse to rent their property to a couple without…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:12:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Most of my friends who have gotten married did so after living together for many years, and co-incidentally had kids real soon afterwards.</q></p><p>Indeed. If they got married at all. Few are the people who thought it was wise to get into a permanent live-in-with-sex, with someone they had neither…</p>
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				<title>WH</title>
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						All the best for your submission Emma.
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				<title>Scott A</title>
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						<p>I can sometimes go on a bit when I submit to a committee, but this time I just wanted to get to what is, for me, the point:</p><p><q>I am writing this submission in support of the Marriage (Definition of Marriage) Amendment Bill.</p><p>The Government Administration Committee is surely going…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:41:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Martin Roberts</title>
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						<p><q>When I was at university, I married my then-boyfriend so that he could have access to a student allowance.</q></p><p>Most of my friends who have gotten married did so after living together for many years, and co-incidentally had kids real soon afterwards.  A church can pretend that these couples are…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>If you do talk to them in person the protocol is that you can assume they have read it</q></p><p>Yup &ndash; I was part of the oral evidence on the Young Nats submission to the ERA.  Don't think we changed Sue Bradford's mind one micron, but it was most endearing…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:21:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>That’s why I’m going to let my sub rest for a couple of days</p><p>That's often a very good idea, beca... I'll stop right there.</q></p><p>People's refractory periods vary. There's no shame in it.</p><p><q>I hinted at the argument that in my ideal world "marriage" could be deconstructed and extended…</q></p>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p><q>Not actually Trevor’s job. Ruth Dyson is the committee chair</q></p><p>Well yes.  Must confess to a touch of laziness, knowing that Trevor is more readily identified by the general public as being willing to engage when necessary.</p>
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				<title>Tom Beard</title>
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						<p><q>That’s why I’m going to let my sub rest for a couple of days</q></p><p>That's often a very good idea, beca... I'll stop right there.</p><p>I wrote mine in a bit of a hurry. I hinted at the argument that in my ideal world "marriage" could be deconstructed and extended…</p>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Great submission. If you do talk to them in person the protocol is that you can assume they have read it – and they will have it in front of them on their laptops. So you can use this opportunity (5 mins in most select comms that I have been…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Certainly if anyone tried to be hard on a submitter, I think it likely that Trevor would be tearing the MP a new one.</q></p><p>Not actually Trevor’s job. Ruth Dyson is the committee chair and 1) she’s had more than enough experience in the value of having a touch of…</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>This one is absolutely harrowing. It won’t be the only one.</q></p><p>One of young women I picked tobacco with,  in Mot' in the 1960s, was beaten up by her very butch partner &ndash; and much more severely beaten up <em>her father</em> to whom she went for help...I dont know what…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Isn't that really a romper?</q></p><p>I prefer to think of them as oversomes.</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						Isn't that really a romper? For, you know... romping?
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>Overalls like… these?</q></p><p>Yes!  Exactly those. ;-)</p>
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						<p><q>I don’t really know how legwear comes into it, but if any argument has the overalls on, it’s yours.</q></p><p>Overalls like... <a href="http://geeklisted.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Twain-copy.png" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">these</a>?</p>
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						<p>Great submission Emma.</p><p>When I did undergrad philosophy there was a lot of talk of “this is the argument that wears the trousers”, a sexist and also rather peculiar metaphor!  One of my friends suggested “the argument that wears the overalls” might be an improvement.</p><p>I don’t really know how…</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>This one is absolutely  harrowing. It won’t be the only one.</q></p><p>Kia Kaha! to all, as discussed earlier on Capture thread, sharing helps.</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>My experience is that MPs on select committees will always give a fair hearing to novices, people who are making first submission.</q></p><p>Oliver's post at TLG is quite reassuring on this as well:</p><p><q>Being heard in person can be an extremely daunting experience. The committee knows that, and will bend…</q></p>
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				<title>Philip McCabe</title>
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						My wife and I have been married for 38 years. We were married in a Catholic Church by a Catholic priest in a ceremony we devised ourselves. We chose the church because it was near where as penniless newlyweds we were to have the party and we chose the priest…
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						Your submission sounds perfectly sensible to me. I'm sure they will be convinced on that alone . Well maybe not, but it should be that simple. Hope it is full of more submissions in support just like that. Fingers crossed.
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p><q>If, like me, you’re considering submitting in person, that list of names may give you pause.</q></p><p>Please,  don't be scared off from the idea of making a submission in person  &ndash;  or even by videolink if the committee does not travel to Christchurch  (and I hope it does.)</p><p>My experience…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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