if Martin is seriously blogging about "media ethics", how about he stops "reading between the lines' and engages in a little critical analysis of the media outlets who constructed 'the lines' in the first place?

Craig, my very first post on the topic did precisely what you ask. I still…

Really, how do you rationally engage with the fundamentally irrational (if not outright psychotic)?

Nice question.

Tracey Watkins is said by some of her colleagues to be spending an ‘unseemly’ about of time hanging out in John Key’s office, she’s certainly spent enough time at National HQ recently to get similar with the wall hangings.…

ditto. I got suckered too. Craig! Where are you !:)

Trying to not get sucked into the crazy vortex, though according to one charmer I'm apparently off framing real men out of politically correct misandry and general envy of Veitch's talent and fortune. Really, how do you rationally engage with…

I'd like to thank you all for directing me to the Kiwiblog thread.

Seriously, thanks a bunch.

ditto. I got suckered too. Craig! Where are you !:)

I'd like to thank you all for directing me to the Kiwiblog thread.

Seriously, thanks a bunch.

(Reaches for a bottle of hard liquor.)

Equally seriously, there are times I get all Andrew Sullivan and wonder if the right really needs saving from itself. There's something really depressing about the…

Passively saying something is still saying it, especially when you do so repeatedly. Blackmail is a criminal offence. It has a specific meaning. And it can be complained about to the police.

Nicely put, Russell – it's all too cute and Gossip Girl for words. Sorry for sounding like a…

Seriously, thanks a bunch.

(Reaches for a bottle of hard liquor.)

Anyway, courts "come to opinions" — reach verdicts, even — on sex abuse cases that are far futher in the past, with no physical evidence, purely on the basis of testimony. This case will be straightforward by comparison.

Quite. There is a public acknowledgement by the accused that something took…

I have not once said I think that there's blackmail involved; but I think that is a perception that should be addressed on the 'evidence'.

Yeah Martin, but you do keep using the word. In your own comment under the post I linked to, you say:

I have come…

One way would be with documentary evidence from the accused. Hence the police search and seizure.

Anyway, courts "come to opinions" — reach verdicts, even — on sex abuse cases that are far…

All I've done is post it as a question, based on the spin coming from the Veitch PR machine.

I have not once said I think that there's blackmail involved; but I think that is a…

Martin Hirst demonstrates that even lefties can lose the plot on that one

To half-assedly defend Hirst, I guess this is one area of media ethics where it would take a saint NOT to get some shit on the pumps — and when it's all over, it might be worth…

When you say apology craig, do you mean Bugsy malone style.

Steven: Blasphemer! I'm thinking of a lemon tart that isn't afraid to be... well, tart. Not for throwing, but to be savoured like the nipples of your lover during a blissful orgy of mutual pleasure. (Yes, I view sweets…

D'oh... If we're both in the same room on Thursday, someone is going to get expensive and super-rich cake by way of apology.

I don't know if that's true or not, because the complainant's name is permanently suppressed. God, DPF is a friend of mine but I'll stick to my view that it's a matter of when not if one of his resident psycho-trolls lands him in court.

Oh good one, dude! And…

DPF is a friend of mine but I'll stick to my view that it's a matter of when not if one of his resident psycho-trolls lands him in court.

In the meantime it's hard to escape the impression that, to borrow Spike Milligan's words, there's a cancer in the public…

Veitch should start praying some of these folks end up on the jury. There are times when I'm just embarrassed to be a human being.

I had to go look. And then I had to post a comment ...

Did he actually say that, or did they write it down wrong? The Dom today offered the headline "Women dies at train station" so I'm putting my money on the latter for now.

I'd put my money on that too, given the frequency at which the sub-editorial staff of both…

If so, thats tragic.

Turns out it was just one woman. Still tragic, but I admit I was relieved.

declare my name

Did he actually say that, or did they write it down wrong? The Dom today offered the headline "Women dies at train station" so I'm putting my money on the latter for now.

"While I am shocked and also saddened that it has got this far, in terms of all the allegations and charges, I am more determined than ever to fight to declare my name," Veitch said.

…

I won't hold my breath waiting

That seems a very wise course of action.

The offences are alleged to have taken place in Mangawhai, Rotorua and Auckland.

At Auckland District Court this afternoon, Veitch's lawyer, Stuart Grieve QC, said all of the charges would be "strenuously defended".

If multiple assault counts are eventually proved, I'll look forward to a response from Veitch's media cheerleaders.

Well, for a start, I'd sure like to see Garth George and Michael Laws sacked, and forced to sign a valedictory made up of a fulsome apology to Dawn-Powell. Like Louise Nicholas, I…

Broadcaster Tony Veitch has been arrested on six charges of assault between 2002 and 2006 and one count of injuring with reckless disregard.

Police today issued a statement saying a 34-year-old company…

I suspect that any "settlement" is unenforcable. You can't enforce a contract that involves breaking the law.

Even worse, poor Michelle's poor husband had to resign his job with MI5.

OMG, without even reading the background, this, somehow says it all. Parsh me the whip, Moneypenny.

That's two weekends in a row that both papers (and for all I know, the Sunday News too) have been fed stories sympathetic to Veitch.

I've no doubt there's a PR campaign in operation. I find it distasteful.

Still, it is rather (blackly) comic watching Vetch and his proxies complaining…

And now Veitch's similarly unapologetic wife wades in with more "it's not fair" whining:

That's two weekends in a row that both papers (and for all I know, the Sunday News too) have been fed stories sympathetic to Veitch.

I've no doubt there's a PR campaign in operation. I find…

(Yes, I'm linking to Cake Wrecks, but at least it's on a weekend.)

Apparently the police should be there to "protect" her and her hubby, rather than investigate him.

And she rather strongly implies that Dunne-Powell should just build a bridge and get over it, because she has. Ew.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4659090a11.html

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10527461&pnum=0

Apparently the police should be there to "protect" her and her hubby, rather than investigate him.

What really got on my last nerve about Veitch's apology, was that it might not have satisfied any of the criteria Perfect Apology came up with, but it reeked of something carefully drafted by a PR consultant

I'd been trying to work out what bothered me so much about the…

For those interested, PerfectApology.com has a list of criteria, by which you can assess public apologies for Epic Fail.

And I've got a ninth criteria: Sincerity.

Seriously. What really got on my last nerve about Veitch's apology, was that it might not have satisfied any of the criteria Perfect Apology…

The Pope's been riding the apology pony pretty hard since he took office...

Love this turn of phrase.

Sorry if you took offence. Cry-baby.

Well, down here in little old Middle Earth the passive-agressive "fuck you sookie-bubba" non-apology is an entirely secular art. I wonder if the State Services Commission has a handy super-secret template so civil servants can just churn 'em out with a single key stroke...…

Yes, just a teeny bit too late.

It's not so much that, it's the fact that they pardoned him. The Onion's Pope Forgives Molested Children piece as usually was not that far removed from reality.

I think the previous Pope's "pardoning and rehabilitating" of Galileo takes some serious beating in terms of non-apology apology.

Yes, just a teeny bit too late.

I'm also a big fan of the Catholic Church's 'oh, BTW, turns out Mary Magdalene wasn't a prostitute after all' sorry.