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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p><q>gender essentialism and oppositional sexism</q></p><p>Oppositional-sexism makes good copy in our society. Be it ardent devotee Jeremy Corbett’s <a href="http://www.womensweekly.co.nz/latest/celebrity/jeremy-corbett-one-mans-trash-7474" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">brain gig</a>, our <a href="http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10890674" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">legislation</a>,  Paul Henry’s <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/2299151/Henry-faces-up-to-moustache-gate" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">public ridicule</a>,our <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/66333826/sexist-nz-pork-advert-tells-women-its-time-to-get-out-of-the-kitchen" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">advertising</a>, our  <a href="http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/ephemera/29266/southern-man" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">mythology</a>, our <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/2771049/Single-sex-schools-better-research-shows" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">education policies</a> or  our <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&amp;objectid=10841071" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">parenting</a>, the media’s insistence on often  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronormativity" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">heteronormaltive</a> and <a href="https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cisnormativity" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">cisnormative</a> oppositional-sexism is omnipresent.  Even amongst the <em>the educated</em>,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 24 Feb 2017 16:03:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p><q>women rape men</q><br />aka mainstream comedy. <br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D5LCouwsU4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D5LCouwsU4</a><br />Because males are horn dogs. <br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFQ-frSG5Gs" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFQ-frSG5Gs</a><br />and I don’t know<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-KAr5KsRSA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-KAr5KsRSA</a><br /><q>I miss being seen as not a threat.</q><br /><a href="https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/body_shaming" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Meatloaf</a> has “man boobs” – otherwise known as <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7mho_QpQIQ" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">boobs</a> –  and Trump has small hands…<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOX6aIEV5kE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOX6aIEV5kE</a><br />Because if pressed to pinpoint that one ‘not…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2017 18:41:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p>Thanks for that Steven, that's behind a paywall for me, but it's obviously very encouraging. <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/inspire-me/89268074/georgina-beyer-discusses-new-zealands-lgbtqi-history-ahead-of-auckland-pride-festival" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Georgina Beyer</a> was featured in Stuff’s weekly series, Face.  Her wisdom an depth of experience shines through as always but she says a couple of things that I found concerning. The first being this:</p><p><q>the…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2017 08:25:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<q>More specifically, I think it’s about teaching our kids to see all people as people first, and their gender well down the line. That means no gendered toys. It means encouraging your sons to play with girls, your kids to have friends of all genders from the earliest age. It’s…</q>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2017 21:13:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>In my experience Russell is quite selective and often quite slow with his take-downs. </q></p><p>Possibly – I think Russell would rather say he’s not a heavy-handed moderator and depends a lot on the community’s ability to set fundamentally civilized standards and self-correct.  But honestly, I would feel safe e-mailing Russell…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2014 02:40:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						The <a href="https://twitter.com/DMReporter/status/472394517283627009/photo/1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Daily Mail addresses misogyny</a> , sort of. [contains pic of Rodger]
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 22:48:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I was walking on the beach just now as it was getting dark. Then I became aware there was a guy behind me…and that that he had put the whole depth of the beach between us.</q></p><p>I’ve told my late-night Ponsonby Road story a few times, but … there I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 18:19:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p>I was walking on the beach just now as it was getting dark. Then I became aware there was a guy behind me...and that that he had put the whole depth of the beach between us.</p><p>When guys understand the fear women feel alone in public spaces, and communicate that.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 17:53:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>That’s not a problem with the concept of triggering, it’s a problem with its use. The concept itself is useful and I don’t think it should be dismissed.</q></p><p>I wasn’t trying to dismiss it and I don’t want to minimise anyone’s experience. Given that moderation was invoked I thought I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 17:41:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<p>Moz, you weren't to know the relationship, you are correct. <br />However, you will be aware of my postings. And I think I would be correct in saying I have never threatened sexual violence before.  <br />I can't control what you read into things, but I would have happily explained to you,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 17:38:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						That's not a problem with the concept of triggering, it's a problem with its use. The concept itself is useful and I don't think it should be dismissed.
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 17:29:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>We’re you. personally, triggered?</q></p><p>If that was the case, I’m genuinely sorry about it.</p><p>But in some respects that’s the problem with the concept of triggering. I can’t remove what is to the people involved an inoffensive bit of banter because another participant has personal reasons to be upset by…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 17:20:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>Thanks for instructing me as to how I should feel about that, I’ll keep it in mind next time something I read here upsets me.</q></p><p>I was explaining the context. You were the one telling others how to behave. </p><p>If you don't know the people and their comment is ambiguous,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 17:07:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>In my experience Russell is quite selective and often quite slow with his take-downs. Especially with things like this where there’s ambiguity, and only one of the readings is offensive (and when his personal take is the non-offensive one).</q></p><p>I’m more likely to respond or warn than to take down…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 16:41:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>Thanks for having my back there</q></p><p>You're welcome, and thanks for clearing that up.</p><p><q>I wouldn't be shy about asking Emma or Russell for a take down.</q></p><p>In my experience Russell is quite selective and often quite slow with his take-downs. Especially with things like this where there's ambiguity, and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 15:35:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>Moz, you're missing the point. Jackie and Craig are friends, and Jackie was expressing her affection. No sexual assault was intended or should be inferred.</q></p><p>Thanks for instructing me as to how I should feel about that, I'll keep it in mind next time something I read here upsets me.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 15:26:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>one could read this as a description of where/when women are at most danger, rather than why they are at danger,</q></p><p>That was my reading of it &ndash; the situation makes it so much easier, whereas if they had proper toilets, the rapists would have to [ahem] work a bit…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 14:32:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Rodger never did and it worries me how many men there are like him.</q></p><p>At best, Elliot Rodger sounded like a Lost Boy out of the Peter Pan universe. At worst, he was a narcissist in the vein of Clayton Weatherston.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 14:29:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						<p><q>Health workers, police and women’s rights activists say women and girls face the risk of rape and harassment when they go out into fields or bushes due to the lack of toilets in their homes.</q></p><p>If one was being kind to the author (and I haven't read the rest of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 13:15:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Exactly, and Emma talks a lot about why it’s really important guys do their share of the work.  “Leverage you privilege” works – and not just when it comes to jamming cultures of misogyny.  Just saying “dude, that shit isn’t cool” when your peer group is talking sexist (or racist…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 10:09:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
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						I do think we need men to step up and challenge each other when women are objectified. In a perfect world men would listen to women, but this isn't a perfect world and let's be honest, men are going to have more impact with men who are happy to say…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2014 09:31:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Moz &ndash; </p><p>Thanks for having my back there, but Lilith is on the button.  Jackie is a very good friend of mine, and if I thought she was out of order I've certain no inhibitions about saying so &mdash; and because PAS is a space where "don't be a dick"…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 23:41:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q> <em>I’m going to pash you so hard the next time I see you.</em></p><p>I think this deserves a dishonourable mention for missing the point. And should be highlighted.</p><p>Because normally it’s men getting hassled for saying “men get sexually assaulted too”, rather than women threatening to do it.</q></p><p>Moz, <em>you're</em>…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 23:06:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>I'm going to pash you so hard the next time I see you.</q></p><p>I think this deserves a dishonourable mention for missing the point. And should be highlighted.</p><p>Because normally it's men getting hassled for saying "men get sexually assaulted too", rather than women threatening to do it.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 20:05:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>You get this discussion is about men, right? And the most valuable part of it is men actively engaging with it? I appreciate that you’ve distinguished “talking-not-listening” from just talking, but we need men talking about this. </q></p><p>I appreciate that.  I'm just a bit wary of wading in with size…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 19:52:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>And from The Herald today an obscene story about rape and murder in India with this gem.</p><p><q>Health workers, police and women's rights activists say women and girls face the risk of rape and harassment when they go out into fields or bushes due to the lack of toilets in…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 15:47:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Isabel Hitchings</title>
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						<p>What is blowing my mind at the moment, is how many things I have not recognised as problematic because, at the time, I saw them as normal and unremarkable.</p><p>Like, as a teen, engaging in intense, romantic, hand-holding because that was the best way to stop my date touching where…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 10:22:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>or more male-oriented discussion? I’ve got a few thoughts, but am wary of clogging up this thread and talking-not-listening.</q></p><p>The internet is a very big place. You may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, etc...</p><p>But seriously. You get this discussion is about men, right?…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 09:52:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p><q> reading writehanded girl’s recent post on Yes All Women ( TW, if you venture to those posts)</q></p><p>Christ. I mean, I know intellectually this happens all the time. Lesser versions of these things have happened to me, even. Why am I so shocked every time?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 09:50:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Cameron</title>
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						Amongst women? Yes. As a society as a whole? I think it's largely no, not to this extent. I'm a young 'un, but I don't ever recall men being as engaged as we are seeing here. Even if it's just "Ok, I'm going to sit down and shut up and…
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-lighting-the-dark/?p=314287#post314287</link>
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						Don't you think women have always had this conversation? My mum got told by her grandmother to made sure her drinks weren't spiked and I'm in my fourties. And when mum worked in the office of the DSIR back in the late 60's/early 70's they had a case where a…
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				<title>Hilary Cameron</title>
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						<p>After reading <a href="http://www.writehanded.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">writehanded girl's</a> recent post on Yes All Women ( <strong>TW</strong>, if you venture to those posts)  I really wanted to find some NZ stats and I was bloody shocked, but maybe I shouldn't have been surprised.</p><p>According to <a href="http://rpe.co.nz/statistics/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> Rape Prevention Education</a>:</p><p><q>In Aotearoa New Zealand, up to…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 00:31:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						I guess what I would say too is, on a public forum like this with my full name, I know this will turn up if anyone googles me. Even a veiled reference to this topic really does feel taboo. Most women don't want to talk about what it feels like…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 22:42:12 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						A thought: would it be a good idea to have another thread, possibly an open thread, more to provide a separate space for general or more male-oriented discussion?  I've got a few thoughts, but am wary of clogging up this thread and talking-not-listening.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 22:21:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						One thought on that vid &ndash; interesting that in a discussion of 'traditional' masculinity, the sherriff felt able to dismiss the guy as a non-threat because 'he seems kind of timid' &ndash; i.e. not exhibiting traditionally masculine traits.  That possibly says as much about the culture and expectations as anything…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 22:10:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>kmont</title>
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						<p>I once told a guy who seemed to want to be educated about such things about one of my experiences. His response was instructive.</p><p>In my case nothing ‘seriously bad’ happened but only because of the evasive strategies I took to protect myself once I clocked where the situation was…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 18:12:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						<p><q>Even if nothing “that bad” ever happens to you, there you are with your weaponised car keys and your worries about writing in public and your risk assessment strategies. It’s so tiring.</q></p><p>And expensive. I spend more to park near my destination, catch a taxi rather than walk or bus…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 18:03:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-lighting-the-dark/?p=314272#post314272</link>
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						<p>I think Emma said it better, but this is a persuasive video.</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPFcspwbrq8&amp;bpctr=1401338954" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPFcspwbrq8&amp;bpctr=1401338954</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 16:19:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>reasons we are hyper-vigilant about stranger danger</q></p><p>Is some of that because the victim is so often blamed for not doing X or Y and in reality the more common assault by someone known is so very difficult to do anything about that you over-compensate with the stranger assault? Holding…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 16:02:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						<p><q>...we make sure we can run in those shoes, and track who's around and who might be a threat, but how do you avoid the bloke in your living room that you invited in...</q></p><p>That's right. The only times I've been physically and sexually assaulted have been by an ex-partner…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 15:12:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>it’s all in your head</q></p><p>If you feel it &ndash; then it <em>is</em> real.</p><p>It is so strange that a species that has this amazing ability to have emotions, to share emotions, to empathise and sympathise and express all those things in numerous forms of art that can literally stop…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 14:43:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
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						The weird thing is that we're all set with our "weaponised car keys" (I LOVE this description btw because it is so freaking accurate) yet the likely cause of sexual violence isn't that stranger in the coat walking 10 meters behind you, it's the pissed off boyfriend who calls you…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 14:20:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>RaggedJoe</title>
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						<p><q>stick my hand up as a non-contributing-but-actively-listening person</q></p><p>+ 1</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 13:19:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						That's why the "you're being so dramatic about this, the risks are lower than you think, not all women are victims, it's all in your head" brigade are sort of missing the point. You're damn right it's in my head. It's ALWAYS somewhere in my head. That's how successfully we're…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 13:19:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-lighting-the-dark/?p=314236#post314236</link>
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						<p><q>Doesn’t it suck that we have to do this kind of risk assessment just to be outside our houses at night?</q></p><p>Bloody oath &ndash; it sucks, blows and hurls rancid chunks all over the good carpet.  And I think that's precisely why men find things like the #yesallwomen hashtag really...…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 09:58:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-lighting-the-dark/?p=314233#post314233</link>
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						<p><q>Because it is at the front of my mind, and I have no compunction, that I would use her as a weapon if needs be.</q></p><p>I have been in this position, and done just that. It was broad daylight, I was 13, and out walking my dog on the waste…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 09:43:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-lighting-the-dark/?p=314223#post314223</link>
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						<p>Ah, okay. </p><p>Doesn't it suck that we have to do this kind of risk assessment just to be outside our houses at night? I remember being 11 and walking to the bus for school and always keeping in mind which houses I could run to if a pedophile tried to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 07:44:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						She has to be muzzled, by law (she bit a suspicious looking person over a year ago), but yes, it crosses my mind that no-one else is there at that time of night, and I could likely unmuzzle her when we're there.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 07:38:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
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						<p>I would never muzzle our dogs if I was walking them in the dark for exactly this reason (and I have gone through this thought process too). </p><p>I have to say I actually feel quite safe walking around Greymouth, even at night. I certainly feel a lot safer here than…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 07:34:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<p>I was, literally, walking through the dark with Ruby, last night. <br />The park I go to to exercise her at around 6 is now pretty dark these nights, and generally I feel safe. As a woman, however, my first thoughts as I enter are what I would do were I…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 07:07:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						I'm going to pash you so hard the next time I see you.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 06:55:55 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tess Rooney</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-lighting-the-dark/?p=314216#post314216</link>
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						<p>I can't bring myself to watch "his" youtube thing. I avoid it when it's on the news as much as possible. </p><p>I completely agree about the gendering that happens at school (we found kindy was great, our youngest boy could dress as a princess and no one cared). But school...…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 06:38:17 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-lighting-the-dark/?p=314212#post314212</link>
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						<p><q>What about Wossname in Auckland who beat his ex-girlfriend to death a couple of years ago? Same entitlement syndrome, result was still a death.</q></p><p>"Man kills ex (or on-off, or trying to be ex)-female partner" is such a common thing it's basically background noise in our society. I haven't really…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2014 00:46:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p>Wading in cautiously: thanks for the post Emma. Just wanted to say that and sort of stick my hand up as a non-contributing-but-actively-listening person.</p><p><q>I’ve chewed over a couple or three things over the years, still do. None of them terrible, all of them things I wish I had the…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 22:57:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-lighting-the-dark/?p=314204#post314204</link>
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						<q>The thing here is that what Emma aptly describes as “the script” (I thought “the text”) came from a pervasive culture of misogyny. It was that which colonised the space in Rodger’s alienated life. It is that which is a constant reality for women who have to be around misogynist…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 22:24:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						<p>--"My response, equally understandably, I think, was that here was yet another young man with an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis going on a brutal rampage. "</p><p>I'm not sure he did have a diagnosis, given that family friend someone Astaire was reported as saying his family just suspected he was…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 21:13:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-lighting-the-dark/?p=314192#post314192</link>
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						<q>but it takes even more courage to say, as Bart and Robert have here, and some of you have on other threads of mine, “I used to think this/say this/do this, and it was wrong, and now I try really hard not to.” Those are the moments I do this…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 20:50:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>To be examples of people in the process of change and encourage society to accept that it is not easy to unlearn these habits and thought patterns, but it is possible and it is a change worth making.</q></p><p>This. We all fuck up sometimes, all of us. I've seen people…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 20:44:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						I’ll try and be brief about this. I understand and wholly support the reaction of the women I know to this horror. My response, equally understandably, I think, was that here was yet another young man with an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis going on a brutal rampage. Like Adam Lanza,…
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						<p>Thank you, I was just going to make the same point.</p><p>What about Wossname in Auckland who beat his ex-girlfriend to death a couple of years ago? Same entitlement syndrome, result was still a death.</p><p>The only difference is that guns make it easier to kill someone rather than putting…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 19:23:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Robert Urquhart</title>
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						<p><q>For me as a man the scary part is not knowing – no scratch that – being pretty certain there must have been times where I was “that man”.</q></p><p>I know damn well that there have been times in my youth when I was "that man" to a greater or…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 18:37:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<q>As an aside, I suspect not all derailing is done maliciously, I suspect some of it comes from needing to avoid some pretty ugly conclusions about our own behaviour as men. I certainly don’t feel like I’m confident I have not been party to some of the behaviours described on…</q>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 18:11:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew gunn</title>
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						Thanks Emma
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 17:21:57 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Not sure I can contribute much but some thoughts occurred while reading the various links.</p><p>Historically when you wanted to go to war for whatever reason one of the first things that needed to be done was to define the other nation as "not human" or "other". That definition makes…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 17:17:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Women do make for the very best friends.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 17:03:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Is “girl power” a positive when it’s used about grown women?</q><br />Excellent point. <br /><q>When you say something like “girl power”, what is it you’re actually describing? </q><br />Well, it was probably a bad example to choose, but since you ask, I was thinking of it being a term that encourages girls…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2014 16:40:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						A really nice example of my earlier point? My flatmate will pause things, or tell me it's time to go and make a cup of tea, any time there's a scene in a movie or TV that I might not want to watch. She's my real life trigger warning.
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Don’t offer retribution.</q></p><p>This is a big one, and maybe not so obvious. Because the script for a man when a woman they care about is hurt, is to leave her alone by herself, and Go After the perpetrator. "I'll go punch him in the nuts for you," doesn't actually…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>But even in day-to-day life society accepts this.</q></p><p>Turns it into magical light tricks and projects it onto silver screens and burns it onto DVDs for our entertaining indoctrination.</p>
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				<title>Mike Howe</title>
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						<p><q>The temptation for any individual to blame other people for their failures is very strong. When you’re basically handed the script?</q></p><p>The script is pervasive. For men it is to take vengeance on those who he sees as having wronged him. This "hero" often chooses to act in a violent…</p>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						I didn't intend to derail it &ndash; certainly not deliberately, ok ? This might surprise you, but I'm on actually on your side. Sorry for upsetting anyone, but I just thought the gun aspect was worth commenting on.
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						<p>And because I didn't say what I came here to say:</p><p>To add to your list: Be a safe space. Let people know that you're safe. Don't touch them if they don't want it. Don't expect them to be OK when they're not. Don't assign blame. Don't offer retribution. It…</p>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						Thank you. I did put "... want to..." in there specifically to try to allay those concerns, although it looks as though that wasn't enough. Hmm.
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p>Sorry, maybe you didn't mean it the way it sounded to me, which was "keep going with the flirting even if they're obviously not interested". "Persuading" is one of those mildly worrying words, I guess?</p><p>(I should probably note that I barely remember how this works in practice. I've been…</p>
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						<p><q> <em>persuading them to want to flirt back</em><br />Or... maybe not doing that.</q></p><p>I'm sorry, can you explain that? How is it bad to flirt such that people want to flirt back?</p>
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						Of course, without the guns he probably wouldn't have killed people (or at least that many people). But I think the point is more that the shootings are an almost logical endpoint of MRA culture. I'm not using that #YesAllWomen hashtag on Twitter because, frankly, I'm scared of being threatened,…
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Question: are gendered terms more helpful when they are positive, like girl power?</q></p><p>Is "girl power" a positive when it's used about grown women? </p><p>Gender stereotyping is always a mix of positive and negative traits. Women are caring. Men are strong. Those are positive things. </p><p>I think it pays to…</p>
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						<p>And the award for point missing goes to Grant McDougall.</p><p>Let me put this for you even more plainly. Women are clamouring to tell you about the violence they receive, every day, at the hands of men. The violence comes in words, in fists, in stalking, in being slammed against…</p>
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				<title>Nat D</title>
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						<p>Yeah, because, you know, the 3 people in his apartment killed with machetes and stabbed are totes different, bro.</p><p>Let me put his another way. We talk about gun control every time a shooting happens in the 'States. We never, ever talk about the misogyny that underpins the deaths of…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Fair call, but I think you’re getting the wrong end of the stick. But let’s be realistic about this: would he have murdered all those people if guns weren’t so easily available ? I doubt it.</q></p><p>No. Not the conversation we're having, okay? I'm not saying it's not a valid…</p>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						Fair call, but I think you're getting the wrong end of the stick. But let's be realistic about this: would he have murdered all those people if guns weren't so easily available ? I doubt it.
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						Oops, thanks for that.
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						<p><q>are gendered terms more helpful when they are positive, like girl power?</q></p><p>It's in-group/out-group thinking, which is a powerful motivator, but it's like sociological sugar &ndash; we need a little bit, but tend to take more than is good for us given the slightest opportunity.   It always amazes me how…</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p><q>persuading them to want to flirt back</q></p><p>Or... maybe not doing that.</p>
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						I think perhaps I would find them less awful if they weren't so SUFFOCATING. I run out of tactful/funny ways to say "I think that's a quality shared by lots of children, not just boys or girls", because who wants to be the party pooper while everyone commiserates humourously about…
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>All men. All women. All boys. All girls. We must “other” that gender, or chaos will ensue! </q></p><p>Gulp. I am guilty of that myself at times, in using terms like 'boy look'. I can see it coming back in unhelpful ways at times, when my son latches on to this…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						Not All Elliot Rodgers.
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				<title>Megan Wegan</title>
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						<p><q>His attitude to women was certainly a contributing factor, </q></p><p>Not to derail, but, just this once could the conversation be, you know, ABOUT US? Women are clamouring to tell you that this is stuff we deal with daily, constantly, through our whole lives. And it's really hard to do that…</p>
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				<title>B Jones</title>
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						<p><q>that means the people around you have to tell you when you get it wrong</q></p><p>There's the ticket.  They need to tell you, and you need to listen.  There are ways to tell people they're getting the social rules wrong, and bullying is an unhelpfully popular way of doing this.…</p>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						Link should be <a href="http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/michael-moore-on-elliot-rodger" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/michael-moore-on-elliot-rodger</a>
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						<p><q> wrote a thing a while ago that tangentially relates to this</q></p><p>Which was an interesting read. I think there's something to it, although I got to the same place by being somehow attractive to a woman (not via any great deliberate strategy, either). I'd possibly modify your "hook up, later…</p>
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				<title>Grant McDougall</title>
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						His attitude to women was certainly a contributing factor, but America's crazy gun access, laws and culture also played a major part. Good summary by <a href="www.mamamia.com.au/news/michael-moore-on-elliot-rodger">Michael Moore</a> on it.
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				<title>Xeno</title>
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						<p><q>In other words, we need to let men out of the Masculinity Box. We need to be accepting of men having actual real emotions and accept them finding healthy ways of processing them. A man crying needs to be more socially acceptable than a man punching, and it’s not.</q></p><p>I…</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						I dunno, Steven. There are a lot of perfectly intelligent people who make Every Single Relationship Thing about "men are like this, women are like that". All men. All women. All boys. All girls.  We must "other" that gender, or chaos will ensue! It starts at fucking postnatal coffee groups…
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						<p>Yeah, the "masculinity box".I don't like it, but it's disturbingly common that I find myself falling to bits of it.</p><p><q> men and women, who see the entire opposite sex as one undifferentiated mass.</q></p><p>Aspergers makes it easier to see <strong>everyone</strong> as one undifferentiated mass. For me, the more (especially social)…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I was late to realising that people though like this – men and women, who see the entire opposite sex as one undifferentiated mass.</q></p><p>And it's depressingly related to what I like to call emotional vampirism &mdash; this 110 proof sense of <em>entitlement</em> to everything in every space they're in…</p>
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						<p><q>If you read Rodger’s “manifesto” (and I actually don’t recommend it), </q></p><p>Yeah, I consciously haven’t included any of his words or even mentioned his name, because<br />a) I don’t want this discussion to be too difficult for, y’know, people like me, and I know it sounds ridiculous but quite literally…</p>
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				<title>Josh Addison</title>
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						<p><q>If I am rejected by a woman and I feel rejected then that is my emotion to own.</q></p><p>True, but the problem, as Emma says, is that there's not a lot around to tell men what to do about that emotion, and what is there ranges from useless to dangerous.…</p>
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						The snip I could stand to read spoke to me of a person who had never engaged with other people in a real way. Who speaks of themselves as a supreme, beautiful gentleman? Someone whose self-perception had never integrated anyone else’s unbiased point of view. I think it’s easier to…
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				<title>Mike Howe</title>
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						<p>Thanks for the great post Emma. </p><p><q>And there we’ve kind of hit the heart of it, in that old feminist cliché: it’s about seeing women as people. </p><p>More specifically, I think it’s about teaching our kids to see all people as people first, and their gender well down the line.</q>…</p>
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						<p><q>In other words, we need to let men out of the Masculinity Box. We need to be accepting of men having actual real emotions and accept them finding healthy ways of processing them. A man crying needs to be more socially acceptable than a man punching, and it’s not.</q></p><p>If…</p>
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