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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10860409" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This</a>?  Yeah, Garth is being somewhat disingenuous. (In other news: Fire is hot, water is wet, and bullshit smells nasty.) Of course, he can hold personal opinions but all the media exposure was due to his position as High Poo-Bah at the Insensible Flogging Club or whatever it’s called.  </p><p>When…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:51:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andrew Stevenson</title>
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						Is there an update to the earlier analysis (lost the link sorry) of how MPs voted at the first reading of the Bill and on the Civil Union Bill? Have any MPs shifted their response?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:41:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						And in light of Darth McVicar's spout-out on 'gay crime waves', I'm also wary of press releases that say something to the effect of, "the spokesman's views are his own and do not represent the wider views of the organisation". It's not all that different from saying, "some of my…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:39:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q> Does Garth McVicar believe that oral-genital intimacy is an obstruction to inter-state commerce?</q></p><p>I suppose a trucker getting pleasured in an NV cathouse might prevent the prompt delivery of a load of widgets in CA.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:38:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>The dissenting, minority opinion noted in a couple of cases boils down to “you have civil unions, that’s good enough surely.”</q></p><p>Just saying no &ndash; but I'll have to sit down and properly digest this evening.  Emma's summary suggests there's going to be little (if anything) to substantively quibble with,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:04:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p>The Select Committee have reported back. Their report, for those interested, is <a href="http://legislation.govt.nz/bill/member/2012/0039/latest/versions.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.</p><p>The recommendations are as follows:</p><p> &ndash; clarification of Section 29 of the Marriage Act to make it absolutely clear that no celebrant is obligated to conduct a marriage that conflicts with their religious views or the views…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:52:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p><q> I am looking forward to seeing the first weddings being celebrated on Saturday 1 June. (Is it inappropriate for me to note that is Queens Birthday?) </q><br />Ha, rad.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:06:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						:-D Ace
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 17:20:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>My old man’s a builder, and he uses trig a lot</q></p><p>he wears cor blimey trousers, and he lives on a council plot?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 16:15:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Here is approximately 30 meters of Hose. (for reasons that will become apparent)</p><p><br />Interesting input as usual from the usual suspects ;-) and completely ignoring my point thus causing a derailment of the topic at hand. Well done. Only on Public Address could we go from marriage equality to tape…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 16:10:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<q>I think the old 3-4-5 is still the best way of getting something square on a larger scale</q> We have a project that's going to call for this very soon :)
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 13:48:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ben Cragg</title>
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						My old man's a builder, and he uses trig a lot &ndash; calculating fall, that sort of thing.  Also I think the old 3-4-5 is still the best way of getting something square on a larger scale...
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 10:57:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-in-committee/?p=280365#post280365</link>
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						<p><q>It used to be rule of thumb and then! rulers</q></p><p>Oh sure, the eye is the ultimate arbiter of success after all, and so using the eye to decide shape is critical. But I love the design phase as well and often my thoughts about what is possible need to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2013 09:50:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p>It used to be rule of thumb and then! rulers (of the measurement kind.)<br />I am very sure all people who build/have built &amp; who post here, can also go by eye measurement (I can instantly &amp; accurately gauge whether a three-dimensional object will fit in my van- or anywhere else...)</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 20:56:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Like chucking the trig out the window, and measuring instead :-)
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 18:02:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>I like how you said “when” rather than “if”</q></p><p>That was the point I actually started to enjoy woodwork as a hobby, when I discovered everyone stuffed up and good woodworkers had all these tricks for fixing their mistakes.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 17:17:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Of course knowing how to pull apart and rebuild when all that goes wrong is important too.</q></p><p>I like how you said "when" rather than "if". Confession!</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 15:52:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Anne M</title>
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						<p>I recommend spending some time with "The Times" archive from between 1840 and 1907 and reading the editorials, opinions and letters to the Ed. about the Deceased Wife's Sister's Marriage Act in Britain. EXACTLY the same arguments ("unnatural!", "unBiblical!!" "ruination of family life!!!").<br />And we all know that traditional marriage…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 13:58:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Have you ever really used trig in your joinery</q></p><p>I have! And algebra! I also delve into things from art like golden rectangles and proportions.</p><p>Of course knowing how to pull apart and rebuild when all that goes wrong is mportant too.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:56:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Have you ever <em>really</em> used trig in your joinery, though? Most people I see building stuff use set squares to work out if something is square.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 12:53:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-in-committee/?p=280305#post280305</link>
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						<p>F..n new maths, that bleeding pythagoras. Next thing you'll be telling us there's such a thing as zero. </p><p>When I was at school, we learnt proper maths. Divide MCMLXXII by LXC by break time or it's the headmasters office for you, boy.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:36:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
				<link>https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-in-committee/?p=280304#post280304</link>
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						<p><q>The blank look gradually turned to anger “Roots, squares? what the fuck are you on about you fuckin’ geek?”</q></p><p>"NERRRRRRRRRRDS!"</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw6zrInbtQE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw6zrInbtQE</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 09:58:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>fuckin’ geek</q></p><p>very good #roots</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 22:49:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p>Coming late to this party, but . . .</p><p>I am looking forward to seeing the first weddings being celebrated on Saturday 1 June.  (Is it inappropriate for me to note that is Queens Birthday?)</p><p>Given Parliamentary processes,  plus the needs of the bureaucrats to get everything lined up  (they…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 21:20:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>I am still amazed by the amount of pride some people take in their ignorance, you may call it bigotry but if you delve a little deeper you will see that I am right, pride in ignorance is a National Disgrace.<br />Allow me to illustrate.<br />I have a guy that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2013 14:21:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>ChrisW</title>
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						<p><q>This has reminded me of making submissions on the Homosexual Law Reform Bill:</q><br />Good story – but “smiling gentle bigotry” doesn’t quite gel with my memory of the nasty snarling variety expressed by opponents of the Homosexual Law Reform Bill during its 1985-86 progress.  Those Wellington memories via the media…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2013 15:40:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						I just remembered... Does Garth McVicar believe that <a href="http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jedgarhoo131579.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">oral-genital intimacy is an obstruction to inter-state commerce</a>?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:48:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Roger</title>
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						Well done Emma!!
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				<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:10:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>This has reminded me of making submissions on the Homosexual Law Reform Bill</q></p><p>Hey, Alison. Kevin Hague mentioned he'd read through the submissions from Homosexual Law Reform, and it certainly brought home to him how much less vitriolic things are this time around. I find it "hilarious" the way people…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:46:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alison Kagen</title>
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						<p>Great reporting, thanks.</p><p>This has reminded me of making submissions on the Homosexual Law Reform Bill: the mix of ghastliness &amp; random amusement &amp; dealing with the "smiling gentle bigotry". And the importance of being with like-minded people, whether or not they are speaking to submissions.</p><p>The part that was amusing, at…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:44:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Hague is a lovely man</q></p><p>And he will be a wonderful Minister of Health (or other portfolios).</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:44:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>Snort, we are talking about a political party being ... embarrassed??????</q></p><p>Anthropomorphicistically speaking, yes.</p><p>Although picturing the National Party as a person does make my head hurt, I admit. Especially trying to think of it as the sort of person who could be embarrassed.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 17:27:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Bakshi’s behaviour was embarrassing his party</q></p><p>Snort, we are talking about a political party being ... embarrassed??????</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:55:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>My partner basically apologised to him on behalf of the universe for having to listen to all that bollocks.</q></p><p>Much as I loathe politicians in general they really do have to put up with some awful crap.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:51:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Ah ha! He’s the guy who runs the Gays isn’t he?! I knew it…</q></p><p>So we chatted away for five or ten minutes, and then my partner said, "Do you know him?" And when I said no, we'd never actually met before, he said, "I just wondered, because he kept…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 14:02:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p><q> Kevin Hague came down and spoke to us in the cafe afterwards </q><br />Ah ha! He's the guy who runs the Gays isn't he?! I knew it... </p><p>Also, that mistreated 18y/o is apparently "a Catholic design student from Wellington".  They're designing Catholics now? Intelligently I hope.</p><p>(Am optimistic about your optimism...)</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:51:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>And you thought Woodhouse would do something?</q></p><p>Well, yes.  Part of the chief whip's job is to actually enforce discipline and decorum both in the House and from members on Select Committees.  Ideally, I would have liked Bakshi subbed out of the committee full stop and period.  But I’m reliably…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:22:04 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>And you thought Woodhouse would do something? – as my National MP he sent me a curt weaselly response to my letter to him on the issue, and of course voted against the bill ….</q></p><p>The point was not that Woodhouse should do something because the behaviour was offensive to…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:18:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p>The fabulous Captain Awkward suggests this tactic for when someone politely says something offensive or overly personal to you.</p><p>Say nothing. Just stare at them in obvious shock. Give it time to sink in. Then say, "Wow. Awkward." Options after this are to respond, highlighting rather than mitigating the awkwardness,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 13:17:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q> Lacking the courage of one’s nastiness does not make one nice.</q></p><p>I think that's a great summary, as well as a good response to make on the spot.</p><p>I do find that summarising someone's remarks back to them can be a useful way to point out the problem. The usual…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:53:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						And you thought Woodhouse would do something? &ndash; as my National MP he sent me a curt weaselly  response to my letter to him on the issue, and of course voted against the bill ....
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:46:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I’d rather be yelled at.</q></p><p>As Michael Kinsey once said of the first President Bush: "He’s nice enough not to want to be associated with a nasty remark but not nice enough not to make it. Lacking the courage of one’s nastiness does not make one nice.."</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:43:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>It's hard to get across to people sometimes how much more offensive that smiling gentle bigotry can be.</q></p><p>Possibly because it's a tactic that is very often aimed at women (although it comes from both genders): it aims to render your argument invalid by virtue of your caring, without even…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:25:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						Can I just say that Ruth (and the whole committee) was amazingly even handed? I've seen (and submitted to) hostile Select Committees, and this was not one of them.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:40:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>"The heavy air was charged with emotion and I am still astounded that I managed to walk towards that table and chair despite apprehension and feeling sick at heart at my different treatment and the apparent hostility," she said. </q></p><p>Well, Grace, welcome to the world a metric fuckton of GLBT…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:25:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Great stuff, Emma, No delicate flowers of 18 year old Catholic girls being mistreated by the committee today, then?</q></p><p>The only people who got the Hard Word put on them richly deserved it, and it came from the Chair. Hague is a lovely man. My partner basically apologised to him…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:23:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>I’m still perfectly OK with my decision to withdraw my request to speak to my submission because I’d still have told someone to take their heterosexist privilege and fuck themselves in a procreative and traditional manner.</q></p><p>It was easier to cope with the nastier stuff because we were surrounded by…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:19:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Great stuff,  Emma,   No delicate flowers of 18 year old Catholic girls being mistreated by the committee today, then?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:17:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						To McCoskrie First et al: <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8228307/Committee-menacing-to-anti-gay-teenager" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">the pot has called the kettle black, so HTFU</a>.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:10:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						I just left during Ms Gay Agenda; couldn't hack it.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 11:00:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>The latter is perfectly polite and accidentally gives me the perfect opening to talk about the social and institutional ways civil unions are treated as second-class. Cheers, dude, that was awesome. </q></p><p>Yeah, I fucking hope so.  I wasn’t the only person who politely suggested to National’s senior whip Michael Woodhouse…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2013 10:40:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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