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Kumara Republic

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:21:20 +1200

Congrats to all. I'll let the music speak for itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDMjgckNlz0

Gee

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:32:48 +1200

- but now at least we can make that decision for ourselves.

My main reason for celebrating this is for the generations of Kiwis who will be born into a country where being gay isn't shown by legislation to mean 'less' or 'abnormal'. It might not make a difference right…

JoJo

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:05:03 +1200

I feel quite fucking teary today. I've never thought that I'd want or be able to marry my partner – but now at least we can make that decision for ourselves.

My main reason for celebrating this is for the generations of Kiwis who will be born into a country…

Russell Brown

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:20:59 +1200

But, as Craig said, it doesn’t matter shit. Some laws are about standing up and making a statement about who we are as a nation. They’re bigger and far more important than their on the ground practical effect. This is one of them.

Quoted for truth.

Russell Brown

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:20:27 +1200

Some highlights from last night. (Yes, I am hung-over, and yes my phone battery died before the night was out, yes I am still catching up.)

I figured you might be suffering, so I wrote a thing. :-)

Joe Wylie

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 11:10:20 +1200

Some laws are about standing up and making a statement about who we are as a nation. They're bigger and far more important than their on the ground practical effect. This is one of them.
Thank you Emma.

Emma Hart

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:47:56 +1200

Some highlights from last night. (Yes, I am hung-over, and yes my phone battery died before the night was out, yes I am still catching up.)

Surprise highlight of the third reading: Maurice Williamson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCA8CA2hUoQ&feature=youtu.be

Kevin Hague also made me cry like a little girl. I've seldom been prouder of…

Paul Campbell

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:28:24 +1200

So I wonder of we will now see a whole bunch of conservative christians getting married in church but not in the new civil 'gay' marriage? it would be a strange turnabout

Emma Hart

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:26:27 +1200

On the other hand I wonder just how may same sex marriages there will be as apparently not may went into Civil Unions (anybody know the figures Google doesn’t seem to know)

Civil unions in NZ, numbers.

But, as Craig said, it doesn't matter shit. Some laws are about standing…

Raymond A Francis

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:24:06 +1200

I agree, how people organise their own lives is their business, has always been my position
If they want to get married, great, if not, so what
That same sex (and all the other varieties) now have the same legal rights is something for all of us to feel good…

Craig Ranapia

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:11:27 +1200

On the other hand I wonder just how may same sex marriages there will be as apparently not may went into Civil Unions

But as Maryan Street eloquently put it, that's not really the point. Speaking for myself, I've got zero interest in getting all Beyonce on anyone's arse. Put…

Raymond A Francis

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:53:24 +1200

Good to see that the majority of parliamentarians can show some good sense once in a while despite some nasty opposition

On the other hand I wonder just how may same sex marriages there will be as apparently not may went into Civil Unions (anybody know the figures Google doesn’t…

Craig Ranapia

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:33:33 +1200

Suggest you listen again to Chester B*o*rrows’ speech. He wrong-footed me and many others while teetering on the pivot point between the ayes and noes

I don't know what happened during that speech, but I feel dirty. And for sheer entertainment value, Tau Henare following (predictably vile and incoherent) Winston…

ChrisW

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:41:56 +1200

The various speeches in support from those on the right – Banks, Henere, or Burrows are especially moving, given the expectation of a contrary view.
Suggest you listen again to Chester B*o*rrows’ speech. He wrong-footed me and many others while teetering on the pivot point between the ayes and noes,…

Paul Campbell

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:26:43 +1200

Particularly funny is the online US reaction to the "UNLOCK THE DOORS" in the parliamentary video

Lucy Stewart

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:13:11 +1200

The various speeches in support from those on the right – Banks, Henere, or Burrows are especially moving, given the expectation of a contrary view.

Wasn't Burrows the "I guess the gays are okay, but I can't quite bring myself to give them rights" speech? Because I'm not finding that…

DexterX

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:54:07 +1200

An unusual event in itself, that legislation lifts rather than creates a burden; the passing of the bill makes life easier for people. Yay.

Ben Austin

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:34:19 +1200

The various speeches in support from those on the right – Banks, Henere, or Burrows are especially moving, given the expectation of a contrary view.

Jackie Clark

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:45:29 +1200

The two speeches that stood out for me – and there were a few – were those of Mojo Mathers, and Kevin Hague. Beautiful.

Brent Jackson

Thu, 18 Apr 2013 00:38:18 +1200

Great news.

Chris Waugh

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 22:54:53 +1200

Is this what Dinah is woohooing about? 77:44. Success.

Dinah Dunavan

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:57:17 +1200

Woohoo!

Islander

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 18:46:03 +1200

Busily working on their chain of charter schools probably

Report

Or trying to patch up relationships with former church members...their Southern forays were strikingly unsuccessful...

Paul Campbell

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:53:12 +1200

What happened to Destiny Church? Where are the black-shirted incredibly-aggressive marchers? Are they now just holing up and putting all their money into canned food and shotguns?

Busily working on their chain of charter schools probably

Max Rose

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:33:10 +1200

Actually, Coley has nailed it in her blog:

I am sick of invites being extended to bigots. Of lip-service thanks to homophobes for their “passion” and “values” and the desire to create spaces where “everyone can have a say”.
...
I’m not saying we shouldn’t create discourse, but I am…

Max Rose

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:31:15 +1200

And I really wouldn't want to look.

Martin Lindberg

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:11:41 +1200

They can go fuck themselves.

They probably could, but that would be a sin.

Max Rose

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:45:02 +1200

Those other people? Fuck those people.

This. I occasionally have some skerrick of sympathy for people who are raised in such repressive and conservative backgrounds that they can't think for themselves. But those who tied themselves up into rhetorical knots to try to pretend their theocratic arrogance and visceral hatred…

Emma Hart

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:44:37 +1200

Something I forgot to mention in the post. I spent some time yesterday reading stuff from the passing of the Civil Union bill, and a question came to mind.

What happened to Destiny Church? Where are the black-shirted incredibly-aggressive marchers? Are they now just holing up and putting all their…

Megan Wegan

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:31:47 +1200

I’ve had a few awkward but kinda awesome conversations in my own church where I’ve had to explain that, not to put too fine a point on it, our leaders are lying and I never wanted to force our parish priest to gay-marry me or anyone else.

The one thing…

The Ruminator

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:26:36 +1200

Those other people? Fuck those people

I also don’t think it’s necessary to lash out at them

I love your rage and sensibility. In fact that's the name of your memoir right there

Emma Hart: Rage and Sensibility

Emma Hart

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 11:12:25 +1200

The likes of Bob McCoskrie and Evil Namesake may be disingenuous, lying fuckbags but there are people who would be perfectly justified in getting their panic on if what they were being told had any relationship to reality.

Yeah, this. I had this conversation with my partner last night, when…

Craig Ranapia

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:53:50 +1200

And I don’t think we can get all up in their grill about it.

Sometimes, I think the still small voice of just being out can speak the loudest. In a funny way, folks trying to reconcile the outright terrifying homophobic stereotypes with the not-at-all scary GLBT people in their…

The Ruminator

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:42:52 +1200

there are people who would be perfectly justified in getting their panic on if what they were being told had any relationship to reality

A well made point, in your delightful style Craig. Some of the "bigots" out there are really only moving with the tide of the group they…

Craig Ranapia

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:35:09 +1200

This is my favourite post on the subject matter so far, because it at least expresses a modicum of empathy for “the other side”.

Sorry for sounding all Bill Clinton here, but why wouldn't I have empathy for some of "the other side"? The likes of Bob McCoskrie and Evil…

Craig Ranapia

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:30:34 +1200

Tonight is for celebrating, with like-minded individuals.

Going to be all boring and assimilated and shit tonight. First night in for a while, so we'll probably have the radio on over a decent home cooked dinner. Am I the only person who will probably find tonight a wee bit of…

The Ruminator

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 10:17:04 +1200

This is my favourite post on the subject matter so far, because it at least expresses a modicum of empathy for "the other side". So thank you Emma, you are one of the choicest people I know in an internety-I-met-you-once-at-a-Great-Blend kind of way.

Max Rose

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:53:28 +1200

Always gay-drink gay-responsibly

Quite right. We don't want anyone bingeing like a bisexual, now, do we?

And imagine the strain of maintaining the cognitive dissonance of continuing to believe they were right when all around them, society fails to fall apart.

When it comes to cognitive dissonance, the Wellingtonista comments…

JoJo

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:48:19 +1200

The picnic at Parliament has been called off due to Wellington's signature grey rainy day ... but I'm still expecting to see rainbows :)

Public Address

Wed, 17 Apr 2013 09:48:19 +1200

Discussion from blog post.