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				<title>izogi</title>
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						<p><q>It’s an odd thing to do because it takes more work. You have to estimate how many women are going to attend, in order to work out how many pink (not even kidding) loos you’re going to need.</q></p><p>I guess it's a diversion, but this clip from Upstart Crow made…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:40:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p><q>As funny as the toilet is</q></p><p>It’s a peculiar thing to observe,  because the last place I’d expect to get <a href="http://www.advocate.com/transgender/2016/1/19/10-words-transgender-people-want-you-know-not-say" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">clocked</a> is in a bathroom.  Unless there’s an ambusher lurking to try and “grab ‘em by the pussy”. Personally I’m more concerned about this type of grabbin’ occurring in the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:02:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>    But pissing on the seats</p><p>urinating is hard</q></p><p>"Nobody knew urinating could be so complicated" &ndash; Donald J. Drumpf</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2017 22:55:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Maybe we could talk about toileting in boats some time?</q></p><p>I'm up for that as long as I can count my housebus (complete with macerating marine toilet) as a land yacht.</p><p>I highly recommend that folks experience the genderless long drops at DOC Camps.</p><p>Very good reasons opt for sitting…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 11 Mar 2017 12:24:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>urinating is hard</q></p><p>We should have a pissing contest.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:18:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q> But pissing on the seats</q></p><p>urinating is hard</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2017 09:10:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Spencer</title>
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						My reaction precisely. But pissing on the seats still happens in gender segregated toilets ( *and* I am 'pissed off' about it). Sought out the pissing and surely no arguments against can remain.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 10 Mar 2017 01:02:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>what should a man do when three year old daughter needs to use the toilet</q></p><p>My limited experience with children is that most of them completely understand "pick a toilet, and I'll come in with you if you want me to". Very few children are willing to argue at any…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2017 11:41:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Just BTW, there's no law stating men can't piss while sitting down.</q></p><p>No <em>written</em> law. Fortunately, when you're in a cubicle no one can really tell whether you're there for 1&amp;2 or just 1. So <em>Sitzpinklers</em> get away with it. Disclaimer: <em>Manchmal, Ich bin ein Sitzpinkler</em></p><p><q>The only reason for separating…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2017 10:33:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>I’ve no idea what Family First’s position on it is</q></p><p>It probably involves years of practice and incredible flexibility.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2017 10:14:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>As far as I can tell both men and women make a mess in toilets. At home we clean up after ourselves, unless we want disharmony. </p><p>Elsewhere we rely on someone paid to clean up after we have for some unknown reason decided to spray the walls floor and seat…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2017 10:13:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Carol Stewart</title>
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						<p>I'm very proud of my son's high school (Wellington High School) for being the first in NZ to have the option of unisex toilets. They got a fair bit of crap from Family First about it too. <br />People seem to manage the unisex toilets on planes without too much drama.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2017 09:23:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q> <em>Believe it or not, women bleed.</em></p><p>Some women bleed.</q></p><p>Fair enough. I hate that menstruation is so shameful.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 23:57:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>The public toilets in the National Library's Wellington building are not gender-specific. Seems to work fine.</q></p><p>As do the public toilets in the new Bus Exchange here. I have never found them all covered in anything. Nor have I ever been aware of the gender identity of the person who…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 22:49:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p>Does anyone else remember the Ladies’ at the Academy cinema in Chch? Vase of fresh flowers, picture on the wall. Extremely civilised. Toilet facilities don’t have to be only utilitarian.<br />Post-quake, some community portaloos got similar treatment. Locals kept them clean and fresh, and some with a jar of flowers…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 22:46:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						The public toilets in the National Library's Wellington building are not gender-specific. Seems to work fine.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 21:55:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q> the same amount of shit and piss events as the males but with the occasional added bonus of menstrual blood</q></p><p>Believe it or not, women bleed.</p><p>Just BTW, there's no law stating men can't piss while sitting down.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 21:49:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Lyall</title>
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						<p>Whenever this topic comes up online you usually get a few people who clean the toilets in bars or schools who start state that women's toilets are often the worst. </p><p>eg:</p><p><q>had a friend who worked in a bar, he said the womens washroom was always worse than the mens,…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 19:30:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Davidson</title>
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						I remember once a woman complaining that she had to walk past the male toilets to get to the female toilets in a public building (i.e. turning down the corridor, the male toilets were first, the female a few steps further on). If &ndash; and I'm not saying it is…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 18:03:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>They had boys and girls portaloos at a gig I went to recently, and the boys side had urinals &ndash; presumably a combination of blokes wanting to wave their willies and an improved extraction rate for recently drunk beer.</p><p>The nicest toilets are the ones in the truck they had…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 16:44:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						I wonder if this is driven by the portaloo company? They have spotted a way to rent out more portaloos by gender segregating them, possibly driven by women like Susan (who should definitely not look at the toilet walls or probably ceilings either). Viz, there's some demand from end users,…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 12:43:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Susan Snowdon</title>
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						My experience of the public toilets at work and in other places is that men tend to piss on the seat and floor more than women. That's why women like to use women only toilets &ndash; they're cleaner.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 12:26:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>I have to admit my first reaction was that with fewer women than men at the cricket and the same number of toilets for each the queue for the womens might actually be shorter than the mens.</q></p><p>My rough estimate from the side of the ground we were on was…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 12:19:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p>Was the pink toilet thing in response to some kind of problems? Or is it really the apparent problem of imaginary trans* people doing something somehow near cis people.</p><p>I have to admit my first reaction was that with fewer women than men at the cricket and the same number…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2017 12:13:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						Thank you Emma!
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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