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				<title>mark taslov</title>
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						<p><q>#notallmen..#notallmen..#notallmen..#notallmen..#notallmen..#notallmen..#notallmen</q></p><p>Deborah I thought Emma wrote a really great post here, and what I liked most about it was that it was almost genderless – ascribing dudebros as an attitude more than anything – see <a href="http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&amp;objectid=11687082" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Margaret Comer</a>.  As a victim of sexual assault I was disappointed that you chose to address…</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>There are laws that are designed to protect people from bullying in the work place</q></p><p>Hah!   Enforcement (also a kind of bullying?) is another thing altogether.</p><p>A family member works in retail. Left the last job after a disgruntled older subordinate threatened physical violence and the Boss failed to properly…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:13:36 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I've been bullied in a workplace. A council, sorry to disappoint.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2016 20:56:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Which goes to another real problem with NZ society. Bullying is an accepted, even encouraged behaviour. We’re doing something wrong as a society and the consequences are horrible.</q></p><p>It’s not just a physical thing. Anyone who’s abnormally psychopathic can be a bully, and that goes for hitting a family member…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 18:59:01 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>metaphorplay...</strong><br /><q> I want to know what a figurative man is … </q><br />I'm sure that a figure-eightive man is probably an ice skater, <br />but it gets thinner the further I get from the shore...<br />:- )</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:44:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Obvious boring answer: <br />a quite literal “some of my best friends are…” statement.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:36:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>    But. Most abusers are bullies. ...</p><p>That’s dead right – well said.</q></p><p>Which goes to another real problem with NZ society. Bullying is an accepted, even encouraged behaviour. We're doing something wrong as a society and the consequences are horrible.</p><p><q>quite literally men</q></p><p>And because my brain can't help it…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2016 11:01:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>But seriously, I think part of the big pattern of violence against women is that it is often perpetrated by men who are, given the chance, violent to everyone… </q></p><p>So, there are <em>some</em> people who have genuine self-control issues and are violent pretty much indiscriminately.</p><p>But. Most abusers are bullies.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:37:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sister Mary Gearchange</title>
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						<p>>>It’s the pack mentality, not limited to sportsball fanatics, but certainly exemplified by them. “If everyone else is doing it I can’t be wrong to do it too ”. Any group of males is self-reinforcing in behaviour. <<</p><p>Purely a side note, 'pack reaction' is not gendered.  *Humans* do it.  *What* they do as a group, or rather, the limits that the group will assume, are culturally and gender bounded.  There's some fascinating research out there on group reaction across gender and culture.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2016 14:29:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						<p><q>(Which is just to say, ‘man up’ isn’t a great message – no intention to excuse vile behaviour.)</q></p><p>I've used 'have some common fucking decency' on a couple of occasions. Stops it becoming a gender role thing. And besides, its really what is at the heart of the issue.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2016 10:21:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						You read my mind. Which is why you're now consuming bleach...
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:05:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>That’s why really good sex education would/should include practical courses.</q></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejaWq2TXRXE" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejaWq2TXRXE</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2016 14:36:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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						Always appreciate your blogs Emma.  I'm having conversational flashbacks on this albeit none with the éclat of 'feckless shitgibbons' &ndash; my WOTY sorted.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2016 10:46:21 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>“Reflecting men at twice their natural size” </q><br />No Tall Men?</p><br /><br /><p><q>“Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.”</q><br /><em>“The difference between genius and stupidity is: genius has its limits.” </em><br />― Alexandre Dumas-fils</p><p><br />But seriously, I think part of the big pattern of violence against women…</p>
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				<title>Stephen R</title>
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						<p>There was a line going round university when I was there "maybe all mean aren't rapists, but all men profit from rape". </p><p>My now-wife <em>suggested</em> when we got together that I read a book called "Reflecting men at twice their natural size" by Sally Cline and Dale Spender, where they…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2016 06:48:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>I'd say another aggravating factor is de-industrialisation, which affects mostly men without university degrees.</q></p><p>Nuh, I don't agree. NZ maleness has been fucked up since forever. Partly, it's the hangover from the colonial inheritance of the stiff upper lip. Just because we rejected the British class system in favour of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2016 23:53:11 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Women have to assume every man is a potential rapist, unless we have reason to believe otherwise.</q></p><p>Yes, that's the concomitant reality, which is why I said <em> "Unfortunately, the lack of respect leaves women unsafe (not feeling unsafe, but actually at risk)." </em></p><p><q>A friend of mine tonight gave…</q></p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>You know something I don’t understand, where did John Kerwin’s anxiety and depression come from? That campaign was good for helping men get a bit real, which helps with better sexing behaviour, but it’s done nothing to explain why such a large number of New Zealand men are so fucked…</q>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:48:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>because not all men are rapists</q></p><p>Women have to assume every man is a <strong>potential</strong> rapist, unless we have reason to believe otherwise.</p><p>A friend of mine tonight gave me the name of her date, in case something happened to her. That’s a hell of a fear to have to…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>Via a mate on facebook – <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/big-kids/five-to-ten/82987791/boys-dont-cry-sure-they-do-and-we-need-to-embrace-it" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Boys don’t cry?</a> who commented that boys tend not to get sympathy when they show weakness and this can lead to emotional ‘hardness’ and lack of reciprocal empathy.<br />(Which is just to say, ‘man up’ isn’t a great message – no intention to excuse…</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>You know something I don’t understand, where did John Kerwin’s anxiety and depression come from?</q></p><p>It's a medical condition, an imbalance of neurotransmitters in the brain. It isn't about "what did he fear?" because what he feared was being found out a fraud, no matter how authentic his achievements actually…</p>
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						<p><q>One thing that baffles me why are rugby players prone to being complete shit gibbons? Play your game, go home. Whats difficult about that.</q></p><p>It's the pack mentality, not limited to sportsball fanatics, but certainly exemplified by them. "If everyone else is doing it __I can't be wrong to do…</p>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p>A friend who is a former sex-worker has given me permission to quote her on the issue of assault.</p><p><q>“I was a sex worker who had full sex with my clients &amp; I still got to set my boundaries. 99% of my clients were cool with that. <br />99% of my clients…</q></p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q> they perceive themselves </q></p><p>Self perception is a funny, as in peculiar, thing. Its too often totally unreliable, especially if you do something dumb but cant admit it to yourself. One doesnt have to look to hard to see that in action. <br />Self inquiry, with a good dose of honesty, and…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/kiwi-traveller/81602442/opinion-young-female-travel-is-not-the-problem" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/kiwi-traveller/81602442/opinion-young-female-travel-is-not-the-problem</a><br /><q>I spent two weeks travelling around Cambodia and Malaysia recently &ndash; guarding my belongings and dressing as conservatively as I could muster, as advised &ndash; yet it was the day I returned to New Zealand that I felt unsafe.</q></p>
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				<title>Fiona Mckenzie</title>
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						yes &ndash; thank you Emma &ndash; now more of us need to be as clear.
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>“Why insist on bad sex?”</q></p><p>One answer is that it usually takes people a while to discover "good sex". By that I mean even if folks read everything on the internet &ndash; and their brains don't melt out their ears &ndash; they still won't know what <em>they</em> like and it's…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Because the two incidents that sparked it, the Chiefs' debacle and the Kuggeleijn trial, were men attacking women, and people were all 'boys will be boys' and 'what was she expecting'.</q></p><p>Turns out there's a term for my <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/up-front-dear-dudebros/?p=364995#post364995" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">aforementioned theories</a>, and it's called <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkwashing_(LGBT)#Anti-Islamic_activists" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">pinkwashing</a>.</p>
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				<title>Gregor Ronald</title>
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						Right on, Emma &ndash; great points, well made. You're the first I've heard discussing the "Why insist on bad sex?" angle, that should make people stop and think.
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>Men who treat women as people: you're not part of the problem.<br />Could we talk about this problem of the vast number of men who <strong>don't</strong> treat women as people? And what can be done about it? </p><p>What can <strong>you</strong>, as a decent man, do to change the attitudes of…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/83037809/researcher-calls-for-explicit-conversations-about-consent-among-school-students" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/83037809/researcher-calls-for-explicit-conversations-about-consent-among-school-students</a>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						I nominate #fecklessshitgibbon as WOTY
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				<title>dave stewart</title>
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						Without wanting to detract from the seriousness... "feckless shit-gibbon" &ndash; sublime!
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<p>Steven, I have no doubt whatsoever of your good faith.  From the bits and pieces I've picked up over the years, I know for sure that over the years, you've dealt with some extraordinarily difficult stuff.  And done so with grace.</p><p>I guess the thing about making it a gendered…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Why make such a strongly gendered argument about it? What are you wanting to achieve?</q></p><p>Because, in this case, I am addressing a gendered problem: the different social expectations of male and female behaviour. Because the two incidents that sparked it, the Chiefs' debacle and the Kuggeleijn trial, were men…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2016 20:34:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>Aussie league-style mad monday </q></p><p>Or <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2409913/Clinton-Jones-sets-dwarf-Aussie-Rules-Mad-Monday.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rules</a></p><p>but,  they had to come up with <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-ethics-of-dwarf-tossing/article542737/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The ethics of dwarf tossing</a>, 'cos some folk simply couldn't figure out for themselves  where the boundaries were.</p><p>Just because they're paid to provide a service,  doesn't mean you <em>own</em> them.</p>
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				<title>Nick Russell</title>
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						One thing that bothered me about the response to the story about the Chiefs and the stripper was that so many seemed to think that the real problem was in having an Aussie league-style mad monday binge in the first place.  I can understand that on one level &ndash; it's…
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						Ok.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:45:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						<p><q>I can’t fathom what’s going through their heads.</q></p><p>I could hazard a guess, that for some of them, it is a safety mechanism.  It is the risky behaviour that is at fault, so as long as they don't do any of that risky stuff, they think that they will be…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>How do you stop the “not all men” without making the ones who try feel like shit – and give up.</p><p>The feeling like shit is OK, women suffer much more so feeling like shit is part of the deal – it’s the giving up.</q></p><p>Okay, so. You don't have…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>How do you stop the "not all men" without making the ones who try feel like shit &ndash; and give up.</p><p>The feeling like shit is OK, women suffer much more so feeling like shit is part of the deal &ndash; it's the giving up.</p>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						<p>I would let the comment likening sculpture students go as a truly bad analogy to male violence but Emmas' excellent piece has been shared by several of my FB friends and many of them will be the sculptors you implicate.</p><p>The only equivalence I can make is that sculpture, ultimately,…</p>
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>One guy, one guy got all “not all men!”</q></p><p>There is so much <em>sensitivity</em> out there.</p><p>A pity its mostly ( <em>really?</em> ) self centred.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2016 12:18:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Sadly the dudebros won’t.</q></p><p>Here's the weird thing. Okay, it's not weird, it's entirely predictable, but still.</p><p>I've never had a column as widely-shared as this one has been. Someone went to all the trouble of going over to <a href="http://isisknot.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Isis Knot</a> to donate money because she needed to read…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>And women can read</q></p><p>Sadly the dudebros won't.</p><p>Well said Emma.</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						You rock, Emma.
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						Thank you Emma. <3
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<q>somehow think</q>Not the verb I'd use; but considering others as <em>persons</em> isn't  likely once you're comfortable reducing another person to "meat".
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						The guilty parties blame rape and sexual harassment on 'exposing uncovered meat'. But the very same guilty parties also want Muslim women to 'strip off'. <a href="https://twitter.com/AfroArabian_/status/762771432422137856" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This tweet</a> illustrates just a few examples of that inanity. They also think anything to address the 'boys will always have raging hormones' is PC…
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				<title>Rosemary McDonald</title>
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						<p><q>And what kind of a loser “has sex” with a woman whom they know “wasn’t that into it”? </q></p><p>The kind of loser who can afford a wriggly-arsed, slimy, bottom-feeding scumsucker of a legal team to try and make his behaviour seem oh-so-<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11686833" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">normal</a></p><p>And oh,  the kind of loser who was…</p>
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				<title>Anke Richter</title>
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						You courageous woman, Emma &ndash; thank you for that clear message and your beautiful strong angry voice. Good angry. I hope this piece gets handed out in sex-ed in schools. I hope it will hang on pub walls and in locker rooms and in men's toilets. I hope this lands…
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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