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				<title>Shep  Cheyenne</title>
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						<p>The US Army showing Gay Porn to recriuts. <br />That is up there with the Gay Bomb.</p><p>Reminds me the only mulletts were worn by lesbian drivers in our Army, on long bus trips all I heard was Dr Hook for 8hrs, grrr. Showering with naive 18yr old female recruits we…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:38:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Something just occured to me &ndash; isn't checking the sex blogs something most do on their breaks, not when they get back from one?</p></blockquote><p>Darlin', my <em>day job</em> involves erotica. Poor, sure, but happy.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:52:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>You know what it's like. You get back to the internet after a break, and the first thing you do is find out what the sex blogs are doing, right? Right?</p></blockquote><p>Something just occured to me &ndash; isn't checking the sex blogs something most do <em>on</em> their breaks, not when…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:06:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kris V</title>
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						<p>being out? definitely complicated... yeah I know, I'm late to the discussion but that's just a side effect of a busy bisexual polyamorous life (which is just like life in most other suburban households, just with more child-care options)</p><p>I do manage to trip the gaydars of some wimmin (the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:52:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						I'm with Oscar Wilde on this. Unless your doing it in public why should anyone give a damn?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:18:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Interesting* fact: the plethysmograph was used to stop people dodging the draft by pretending to be gay.</p></blockquote><p>US Army shows draftees gay porn! News shocker!</p><p>It's quite a long way from "Don't ask don't tell" to "I'm going to put this on your penis and then we'll know for sure!"…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:33:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andrew Stevenson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the plethysmograph was used to stop people dodging the draft by pretending to be gay</p></blockquote><p>I'm surprised that the reverse was not tried, find and remove all the gays in the military.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:02:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>"Ooh, Two hundred bucks. Well I guess that's OK then."</p></blockquote><p>Two hundred bucks and lesbian porn.</p><p>Interesting* fact: the plethysmograph was used to stop people dodging the draft by pretending to be gay.</p><p><br />*for very low values of interesting</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:55:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>I can imagine they would have had to pay some of those guys quite a bit of money to get them to participate.</p><p>"You want to put a thing around my dick to measure my erection, and make me watch gay porn? But I hate fags!"</p><p>"Ooh, Two hundred bucks.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:40:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What are the reasons for peoples (negative) reactions when they find out someone is gay/bi?</p></blockquote><p>I did a wee google and found <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fuel2.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">something really disturbing</a>. It's a very small study so I'd take it with a very large grain of salt but still...</p><blockquote><p>A study that appears to reveal a…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:19:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andrew Stevenson</title>
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						<p>What are the reasons for peoples (negative) reactions when they find out someone is gay/bi?<br />There is the 'it's wrong' when there is a direct conflict with their ideology/worldview &ndash; which may not have been examined in any depth by the holder of that ideology<br />Then there are the cases…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:22:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						I should say, I'm not looking to move from having two boxes (gay, straight) to having three or four. Sexuality is a continuum, everyone's somewhere along it, and I'm not really into the whole 'you can't call yourself X because you haven't...'. To me it's much more about attraction than…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:00:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kerry Weston</title>
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						<blockquote>I have always described myself as sexually ambivalent. It would be unreasonable to suggest that I am bi as I have never had a homosexual relationship. ... I can empathise with the idea of falling for or being infatuated with people rather than genders. Indeed I don’t tend to appraise…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:11:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>81stcolumn</title>
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						<p>From my own experience &ndash;</p><p><em>Its…..complicated</em></p><p>Perspective one.</p><p>Some years ago now I acted as a chaperone/driver for a lesbian pool team.  The team was largely constituted by those who had “retired” from the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenham_Common" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Greenham Common protest</a> (I was quite young then).  At least one of the team was bi…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:23:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I suspect 'rejected by family/best friends' stories are the worst to hear.</p></blockquote><p>What really gave me the crawls was a woman I knew at Bardic Web, proudly telling me that she and her husband were the only family members who still spoke to his gay brother &ndash; because how could…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:12:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kerry Weston</title>
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						<p>I find the whole categorisation of people according to bonking practices very limiting. Like, as soon as "they" decide what category you fit in, that's where you're stuck, along with whatever "they" think that involves and it is now shorthand for your complete personage. </p><p>I recently returned to my home…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:08:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>My uncle came out a while back, now one of his brothers won't speak to him and even keeps all the children away from him at family gatherings.<br />Be easier at work where it doesn't (shouldn't) have any impact on how you do your job.</p></blockquote><p>Yes true, often it will…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:38:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andrew Stevenson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I could imagine people being out to close friends and family, but not at work and other places, just because people knowing about your sexuality shouldn't give you that much grief.</p></blockquote><p>My uncle came out a while back, now one of his brothers won't speak to him and even keeps…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:04:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And how is it now?</p></blockquote><p>I suspect it varies from from "not too bad" to "not a good environment at all".</p><p>I would imagine, for example, that young people still at school would have to be pretty brave to come out, particularly with some schools. I was really impressed by…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:33:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Dinah Dunavan</title>
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						<blockquote><p>but she couldn't be bisexual, because that was 'just greedy'.</p></blockquote><p>I wonder if this is more about perceived promiscuity. The belief that if you are bi you have to be shagging multiple partners at the same time (but not in an orgy sense) in order to satisfy your urges. For…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:19:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote>I have a friend who is currently in the process of coming out as bi &ndash; and they're being extremely cautious about who they tell, worrying about the reactions of people who've been their staunch friends for years. I'd assumed it was easier than that in 2008, but clearly we…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:17:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Unfortunately John Barrowman's Captain Jack hasn't exactly helped on at least some of those prejudices, though long may he carry on...</p></blockquote><p>He is ridiculously nummy. And while this stereotype irritates me, it seems there <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexuality#Sex_drive" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">may be some basis for it</a>.</p><blockquote><p>Several studies comparing bisexuals with hetero or homosexuals have indicated…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:15:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						A topical post for me. I have a friend who is currently in the process of coming out as bi &ndash; and they're being extremely cautious about who they tell, worrying about the reactions of people who've been their staunch friends for years. I'd assumed it was easier than that…
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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				<title>Isabel Hitchings</title>
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						<blockquote><p>A bisexual friend once explained to me that he was simply attracted to certain people, rather than men or women &ndash; and that makes sense to me.</p></blockquote><p>I often wonder how many of us this would be true for if there was no social stigma about any sexual orientation or…</p>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>As a straight male I have to say that other peoples sexuality while interesting is not something I use to judge people </p><p>Although I do struggle with male gays who married so as to appear normal, what does that do to the women they married?<br />It seems unkind to say…</p>
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				<title>Susannah Shepherd</title>
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						<blockquote><p>On the few occasions you see bisexuals depicted, they're almost always shown as promiscuous, untrustworthy, and not interested in real intimacy.</p></blockquote><p>Unfortunately John Barrowman's Captain Jack hasn't exactly helped on at least some of those prejudices, though long may he carry on...</p><p>A bisexual friend once explained to me that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:03:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And how is it now? I appreciate that there is more, well, would you call it acceptance or tolerance?</p></blockquote><p>Well, I moved to a bigger city, and I believe that had a more profound effect than the passage of time. My social group has always been completely accepting &ndash; by…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:56:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						<blockquote>I seriously, shit you not, stayed in because I was genuinely afraid I'd be killed. </blockquote> And how is it now? I appreciate that there is more, well,  would you call it acceptance or tolerance? And, of course, I think that the homosexual end of the spectrum is more widely acknowledged…
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Now with the benefit of a bit of age and experience, I understand that back then it was still something that was frowned on, deeply, and that the charade of marriage and all that comes with it, at least afforded them some acceptance from society.</p></blockquote><p>Indeed. And if they had…</p>
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						I'm never really sure why people need to stay in the closet these days. Is it as imperative as it once was? I don't know. I had gay male friends in the 80's who had been married and had kids before they came out. A bit dishonest, and terribly hurtful…
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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