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						<p>Feminist Frequency on the Oscars and the Bechel Test:<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH8JuizIXw8&amp;feature=youtu.be" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH8JuizIXw8&amp;feature=youtu.be</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 05:37:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Free Peugeots all round...<br />Some people swear by them!</q></p><p>And we're sorry, but the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_403" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">403</a> is off limits. And the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_504" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">504</a> was unable to reach its destination.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:09:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>404 for me too.</q><br />Free <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_404" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Peugeots</a> all round...<br />Some people swear by them!<br />:- )</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:30:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Unfortunately that insultmonger link now gets me a 404. Looks like it's just so old it's fallen off the internet, doesn't look like the usual GFW block.</q></p><p>Yup. 404 for me too.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:24:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<em>Children of a Lesser God</em> passed all three. And my bonus rule.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:22:27 +1300</pubDate>
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						4) They don't have a <em>redeeming</em> superpower, but are still interesting.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:17:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Unfortunately that insultmonger link now gets me a 404. Looks like it's just so old it's fallen off the internet, doesn't look like the usual GFW block.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:03:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Hehe, yeah, I've met others who've had the same shock. It's funny, because the textbooks seem to go out of their way to inculcate a Beijing erhuayin, but what they teach is so sterilised. And then, you look at the map and realise most of the China officially speaks some…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:01:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<em>My Left Foot</em> passes the first 2, although Daniel Day-Lewis did a pretty good job of imitating #3.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:25:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						True &ndash; and for me I should clarify "talk" includes Sign.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:29:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Yup, Marlee Matlin definitely deserves a mention.</q></p><p>Not least for getting through a season of <em>Celebrity Apprentice</em> with her considerable dignity intact. Great representation for the non-arsehole adult community.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:10:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Really? Not one I’ve heard. The most common swear words around Beijing involve somebody’s mother and an intimate part of her anatomy.</q></p><p>Tze Ming <a href="http://publicaddress.net/yellowperil/you-have-a-pretty-green-mushroom-cloud/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">covered that in a post here</a> once:</p><p><q>Obvious outlet: learn how to tell warmongers and dictators to f*ck their mother’s stinky c*nts in FOUR Chinese dialects!…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:01:07 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Heh, I was going to be all, “Yeah, we weren’t nit-picking on Joey Lucas, we were just fucking astounded to see her,” but I can’t think of a single thing wrong with that character.</q></p><p>At least she didn’t suffer from Aaron Sorkin’s creative ADHD which saw an awful lot of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:00:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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						<p><q>Which is actually true of real world Mandarin as it is spoken in the here and now.</q></p><p>Yeah &ndash; I learned Mandarin at uni in NZ, which meant that I basically learned really carefully pronounced putonghua. Basically, the Chinese equivalent of Received Pronunciation.  Actually getting people to understand me in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:48:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>JacksonP</title>
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						<p>Yup, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlee_Matlin" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Marlee Matlin</a> definitely deserves a mention.</p><p>I've always found her characters in general, and there have been many, to be all the things you might hope for, in any sense I can reasonably think of.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:35:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>the test is even simpler for disabled characters</p><p>1) they exist<br />2) bonus points if they talk at all<br />3) and extra gold star if they're actually played by a disabled actor.</q></p><p>Heh, I was going to be all, "Yeah, we weren't nit-picking on Joey Lucas, we were just fucking…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:22:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>the test is even simpler for disabled characters</p><p>1) they exist<br />2) bonus points if they talk at all<br />3) and extra gold star if they're actually played by a disabled actor.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:08:55 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Because the subject of swearwords came up, and some of you may be interested….</q></p><p>The first recorded C-bomb on TV (6:14 in)...</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxjnfDToQmA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxjnfDToQmA</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:16:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q> the Bechdel test is a pretty good indication of whether in any book/film/TV programme/etc women are treated as people with independent lives worthy of interest. Just three simple tests – a surprisingly large number of movies fail to pass even the first or second step.<br />1. The movie has to…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:50:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<a href="http://dialectblog.com/2012/02/13/the-c-word/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Because the subject of swearwords came up, and some of you may be interested</a>....
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:35:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Never bothered with the commentary tracks on the film itself, because I’d rather get lost in the film without Ridley Scott, (or the producers or the writers or a good chunk of the FX crew) yapping away in my ear.</q></p><p>Heh. It's not like I don't know the dialog in…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q> I have to say he made the very worst director’s commentary I’ve ever heard for A New Hope , when it was finally released for DVD. I had to stop watching it, he was boring me so badly.</q></p><p>There’s an art to  good commentary track, and most directors aren’t terribly…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:07:00 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>BTW, passing or failing this test doesn't make any judgement on whether the movie is 'good' or not, just how well rounded and complete the female roles in the movie are.</q></p><p>Indeed, it's neither a necessary nor a sufficient condition for a good film, but it does measure something about…</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>When was the last time you thought consciously about that?</q></p><p>Every time I hear some clueless "reporter" say "thuh animal" &ndash; fair makes my blood boil.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:42:57 +1300</pubDate>
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						Only if your hovercraft is full of eels.
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						So I just had a wee look on Youku (no GFW or IPR worries) at one small clip from Firefly, roughly 2 1/2 minutes worth. Four snatches of Mandarin thrown into otherwise American conversation, 3 out of 4 easily understandable, I suspect sound quality and/or lack of tones and/or knowledge…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:33:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeanette King</title>
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						There are often fewer women than male characters in movies, and, when they do appear, women characters are often just foils for storylines which revolve around male characters and their interests. As Kracklite notes, the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLF6sAAMb4s" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Bechdel test</a> is a pretty good indication of whether in any book/film/TV programme/etc women are…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:06:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Ok so thinking more randomly.</p><p>Since we are looking at fiction, then surely the question is not "did the writer/director/etc create a strong female character?" but rather "did they create enough for the viewer/reader/etc to believe that character to be strong?"</p><p>I always admire writing that allows me to see…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Probably about as well as you’d understand 15th century English</q></p><p>surprisingly well. no idea why</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>The Bechdel Test and Ursula LeGuin's much-reprinted essay, Science Fiction and Mrs Brown.</q></p><p>Great link to LeGuin, thanks for that one Krackster. As I read it I applied the memory test, with some interesting results. <em>The Dispossessed</em> scores well. Unfortunately, so does the work of David Eddings, which also passes…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:22:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						If she's part Chinese, then she's got Wu Zetian, Hua Mulan, and Cixi as models...
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:19:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>And if it’s being spoken as widely as English, it’d be in as wide a variety of accents.</q></p><p>And supposing English was still the dominant language would we understand it? Probably about as well as you’d understand 15th century English, heck I don’t understand 99% of song lyrics now :(.…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Chinese: May you get everything you wish for</q></p><p>Really? Not one I've heard. The most common swear words around Beijing involve somebody's mother and an intimate part of her anatomy.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:02:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Swearing is one of those things that really just don't translate very well at all &ndash; one of those things where the 'translation' is really more 'finding the local/L2 equivalent'. I think only humour and poetry would be harder to translate, and puns impossible.
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>And if it’s being spoken as widely as English, it’d be in as wide a variety of accents.</q></p><p>Which is actually true of real world Mandarin as it is spoken in the here and now.</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Very easy, and I completely agree with you.
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						Yet they have no problem with calling their boy children "Randy" !  8>)
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						so what did you say when you actually needed a lie down? #puritans
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						<p><q>and Ursula LeGuin's much-reprinted essay, Science Fiction and Mrs Brown.</q></p><p>Thanks, I really enjoyed that!</p>
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				<title>James Butler</title>
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						<q>There's some amusing pieces on the extras with the cast talking about how hard it was to be speaking these words without any idea of their meaning, They did get coached with pronunciation but the question was raised about what a native chinese speaker would make of their efforts. My…</q>
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						<p><q>The variety of euphemisms Americans have developed for well-known phrases</q></p><p>They are such prudes, we struggled in the south to find a polite way to ask where the toilet was &ndash; even bathroom raised eyebrows</p><p>So I took to saying "man I need a <em>rest</em> that coffee went straight through…</p>
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						<p><q>ou compare swearability of languages, though.</p><p>Maori had only one ‘swear’ – upoko kohua. It was unpardonably rude (it associates<br />that most sacred part, the head, with cooking) and could lead to death/s. It’s usually translated as ’Go boil your head” -which doesnt carry the punch that the words <br />actually…</p>
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						I thought Mandarin was being used as a lingua franca in Firefly, and so that's why no one was speaking it _without_ an accent? Just like for Global English.
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>I have been make a part time study of curses &ndash; they can be more poetic that cussing and it surprises me as a English speaker how mild some seem </q></p><p>The variety of euphemisms Americans have developed for well-known phrases that usually use swearwords is both impressive and vaguely annoying…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Chances are you'll only need English.</q></p><p>I understand so &ndash; but really, how hard is it to be a gracious guest and learn how to say "excuse me", "please" and "thank you" in the local lingo?  You can't choose whether or not to be born into any number of positions…</p>
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						<p><q>but mostly it's basic Mandarin spoken with a somewhat odd accent.</q></p><p>And if it's being spoken as widely as English, it'd be in as wide a variety of accents.</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p><q>I always thought it was Cantonese, which I gather is much better for swearing and cussing</q><br />Thats a whole other discussion, which language is best, or worst, for serious swearing and cussing. <br />And what words in different languages are used as swear words . Lithuanians are keen on toads for…</p>
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						<p><q>I always thought it was Cantonese, which I gather is much better for swearing and cussing.</q></p><p>No, it's Mandarin.  My Mandarin is pretty rusty these days, but much of what they're saying is pretty intelligible.  There are a few points where you can tell that someone's hoping that if they…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Chances are you'll only need English. If you do stray off the beaten expat track, Cantonese will be way more useful than Mandarin &ndash; and their Mandarin is generally pretty poor, anyway. But if you get a phrasebook, do make sure the characters are <strong>traditional</strong>, not the <em>simplified</em> version we…
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I always thought it was Cantonese, which I gather is much better for swearing and cussing.</q></p><p>Anzac Day in Hong Kong is going to be interesting &ndash; do I need to learn two ways to say "your donkey has eaten my passport, please direct me to the nearest lavatory"? :)</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>I always thought it was Cantonese, which I gather is much better for swearing and cussing.</q></p><p>Cantonese can certainly sound very harsh, but I could learn you some fairly colourful Mandarin words if you wanted. Really don't know how you compare swearability of languages, though.</p>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Actors, writers, and the show translator talking about Firefly's "Chinese". (Espenson calls it Mandarin.)</q></p><p>I rather hope <em>someone</em> involved knew which language they were translating. </p><p>Makes me nostalgic for Avatar: the Last Airbender, in which, as I understand it, every piece of written language that appears, usually Mandarin, is as…</p>
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						<p><q>Actors, writers, and the show translator talking about Firefly's "Chinese". (Espenson calls it Mandarin.)</q></p><p>I always thought it was Cantonese, which I gather is much better for swearing and cussing.</p>
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						<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYTM5H2IDSg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYTM5H2IDSg</a></p><p>Actors, writers, and the show translator talking about Firefly's "Chinese". (Espenson calls it Mandarin.)</p>
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						<p><q>me confused. Gina is in firefly (cuban), Morena is brazilian</q></p><p>Craig pretty much nailed it: Whedon DID cast biracial actors for Firefly. (Brazil, in particular, is an excellent example of how in the future we will not all be mid-brown and many people will still hew to identifiable racial appearances…</p>
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						I've seen a couple of odd photos of "Chinese" signs from these shows on the internet, kind of a Chinglish or Engrish in reverse. I could easily get hold of pirated copies of the shows to find out what their attempts at spoken Chinese are like, after all, I've got…
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						<p><q>I guess I should find some of these TV series and find out what this random sprinkling of Chinese words actually sounds like.</q></p><p>There's some amusing pieces on the extras with the cast talking about how hard it was to be speaking these words without any idea of their meaning,…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p>Oh, that's why I was pretty careful not to deal the racist card on Whedon. If he was, I suspect his <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurissa_Tancharoen" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">sister-in-law (and frequent collaborator)</a>  would introduce him to Mister Pointy in short order. :) </p><p><q>It does raise questions about how hard is it for asian actors to get agents…</q></p>
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						<p>Chinese? <em>Natural</em> pronunciation?</p><p>Craig wrote</p><p><q>“Asians” are no more homogeneous and interchangeable than “Europeans”.</q></p><p>Indeed. Swap "Asians" for "Chinese" and that still holds true &ndash; linguistically as well as culturally. </p><p>I guess I should find some of these TV series and find out what this random sprinkling of Chinese words…</p>
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						<p>It's a fair call. The lack of asians is surprising and given the random chinese thrown into the dialog having one or more of the ensemble with natural pronunciation might have been smart.</p><p>In Whedon's defense I doubt he goes into a casting with a "look" in mind. Seems more…</p>
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						<p><q>me confused. Gina is in firefly (cuban), Morena is brazilian</q></p><p>I won’t presume to speak for Lucy, but I think her point (and a fair one) was that if the world-building of the Firefly/Serenity ‘verse was that The Alliance was some kind of Sino-American hybrid, would have been so difficult…</p>
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						<p><q>…by mostly casting people who, as far as I can tell from Wikipedia, are 100% white? Because there are no bi-racial actors in modern Hollywood? (Like, say…..Gina Torres. I’m just saying.)</p><p></q><br /> me confused. Gina is in firefly (cuban), Morena is brazilian</p>
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						<p><q>    That’s a fair point, but no, Homeland doesn’t go there. I could rephrase by saying that the mental illness is as much a part of her as the skills that make her good at her job – no judgement or novelty, just.. it is what it is.</p><p>I think that’s…</q></p>
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						<p>As resources:</p><p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dykes_to_Watch_Out_For" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Bechdel Test</a> and Ursula LeGuin's much-reprinted essay, <a href="http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=ksOjjuy3issC&amp;pg=PA101&amp;lpg=PA101&amp;dq=%22science+fiction+and+mrs+brown%22&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=Ikm0SemtnA&amp;sig=HGRc96UP4WkbL54NjhSc3L4H7fQ&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=NlI5T5-QHMKziQfEzbicAg&amp;ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&amp;q=%22science%20fiction%20and%20mrs%20brown%22&amp;f=false" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Science Fiction and Mrs Brown.</a></p>
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						Absolutely. But I admit to seeing the seasons completely out of order so never saw anything progress, which weirdly made it more obvious that Things Had Happened That Had Changed Them, but not as obvious that they had ruined the premise. Agree with you all completely on the Gorgomon plot.…
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						<p><q>I’ve slowly given up on it – she was much more interesting in the first season as a person of logic with the strangely powerful and penetrating insights into human nature that sometimes come from the adult autistic.</q></p><p>Apart from all the very salient points everyone else has made -…</p>
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						<p><q>For your amusement, I offer rule sixty-three</q></p><p>Surgeon General's Warning: May Be Hazardous To Your Productivity.</p>
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						<p><q>That is what George Lucas thinks constitutes characterisation.</q></p><p>That is a very funny slamdown of Plinkett's. On the money at almost every point.</p><p>Without saying that the original Star Wars trilogy is the best thing in the world, he does manage to put a strong case that it's way better…</p>
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						<p><q>That’s a fair point, but no, Homeland doesn’t go there. I could rephrase by saying that the mental illness is as much a part of her as the skills that make her good at her job – no judgement or novelty, just.. it is what it is.</q></p><p>I think that's…</p>
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						<p><q>hmm where does that leave the <br />intertwined Jerry Cornelius/Miss Brunner</q></p><p>I...don't think Moorcock is relevant if we're talking about bad writing...</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I wonder what the upcoming John Carter will be like in its treatment of Dejah Thoris?</q></p><p>Since we're talking about a Disney joint, 1) her costume is probably going to be more extensive than four paper napkins and a roll of dental floss and 2) "I will outage your honour,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:25:39 +1300</pubDate>
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						Don't get me started... I've just put the BSG pilot in my DVD player and I don't want to have to get out the Moorcock as well.  Ooh, Una Persson... and then there's  the whole cast of <em>The Dancers at the End of Time...</em>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:00:36 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q> 3 descriptive terms for any of them?</q></p><p>That is what George Lucas thinks constitutes characterisation.  I can imagine the ghost of Joseph Campbell visiting him every night and intoning, howling or whatever it is that ghosts do, “That’s not what I meant!”</p><p>At least I hope so.</p><p>…</p><p>It is…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:45:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q> Rule 63... </q><br />hmm where does that leave the <br />intertwined <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Cornelius" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Jerry Cornelius/Miss Brunner</a><br />I always liked Rose Von Bek from Moorcock's multiverse, steampunkish trilogy of <em>Blood: a southern Fantasy, Fabulous Harbours</em> and <a href="http://www.sfsite.com/01a/war48.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> <em> The War Amongst the Angels</em></a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:35:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p>Ooo can I try? Guess the following:</p><p>1. Effeminate and klutzy, he is...<br />2. Angry at times, saccharine cute, he is...<br />3. Seems wise and kind, but isn't, he is...<br />4. She is....<br />5. Loyal, useful, but mute, it is...<br />6. Bold, abrasive, but kind, he is...<br />7. Idealistic, brave…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:29:51 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>…actually, it’d be interesting to reconsider Joanna Russ’ <em>The Female Man</em> and the argument she makes there simultaneously in the context of the time it was written (late 60s) and today…</p><p>(Extra points for bringing Gwyneth Jones’ Aleutian cycle into the discussion… pop quiz on Friday)</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:13:45 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>That’s why slamming Padme for being a terrible female character is so pointless, none of Lucas’ characters have any depth so what make Padma any shallower.</q></p><p>Bart, Emma, let me refer you to an expert, <a href="http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Harry S. Plinkett</a></p><p>Specifically, in his review of <em>The Phantom Menace</em>, he tries an experiment,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:05:09 +1300</pubDate>
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						In the case of the new BSG, Starbuck may not have been a male with breasts (she was far too well developed as the series went on), of course the embarrassing prototype did indeed have her has a man, and the change <em>really</em> brought out the misogyny in the fans…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:53:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>Srsly? Is this our image of a feminist heroine? To be strong she has to be infallible, and standing up to her ankles in intestines? </q></p><p>To be a hero the protagonist has make the heroic sacrifice.  In an action flick the first and most easily performed sacrifice is to lose…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:39:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Another really weird show on the “strong female character” front was <em>Lost</em> – was it just me or was Kate, the well-telegraphed ‘bad-ass chick’ in the pilot, wasted on a soul-suckingly annoying triangle I just didn’t care about.  That show had an awful lot of women with Louis Vuitton-quality Boyfriend/Husband…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:25:35 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>For me my first serious waver was Angela’s Disappearing Bisexuality. But man, giving every female character a child is a sign a show is going really, really well, right?</q></p><p>Ah, the Year of The Has-bian.  At Seattle Grace, Erica Hahn changed from a career-obsessed ball-breaking bitch to a career-obsessed ball-breaking…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:14:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Yup, me too. Plus the whole cannibal arc – blech</q></p><p>I'm not the only person who had a lot of "what the fuck, no really... what the fuck?" angst about that.  More often than you might think, you see shows doing arcs that don't work (for all kinds of reasons)…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:08:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						My own feeling was that the portrayal was a little bit hindering to my own little special needs boy, when I had only very sketchy knowledge of the condition, and received the on-the-spectrum diagnosis. I think it caused me to push him to develop superpowers, when I saw him behind…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:08:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Yup, me too. Plus the whole cannibal arc &ndash; blech (Not helped by the writer's strike in the middle of the season)</q></p><p>For me my first serious waver was Angela's Disappearing Bisexuality. But man, giving every female character a child is a sign a show is going really, really well,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:04:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						And makes some excellent points about 'compensatory' powers for non-normals, and how they arnt actually wanted or needed by a lot of non-normals (I'm using this term rather than other ones , because I am non-normal in several respects &ndash; but entirely natural, thank you!)
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:00:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						Charlie Jane Anders is a high quality geek – but I think she makes a good point and it’s not that far from the point made up-thread about <em>Homeland</em> skirting a hell of a lot of dodgy tropes around “magical mental illness”.  (It's a damn good show, but fair point.)
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:56:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q> I’ve slowly given up on it – she was much more interesting in the first season as a person of logic with the strangely powerful and penetrating insights into human nature that sometimes come from the adult autistic. </q></p><p>Yup, me too. Plus the whole cannibal arc &ndash; blech (Not helped…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:50:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						You reminded me of <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2012/02/01/why-do-we-want-autistic-kids-to-have-superpowers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this article</a> I read a while ago. I don't know anything about any of these TV shows mentioned, even less about the Autistic spectrum, but I found the article quite interesting in how it pulls apart TV protrayals of autism.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:41:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Maybe I’m being harsh, but I don’t really call slapping a Chinese name on characters played by solidly white actors who very occasionally swear in Mandarin “bi-racial”.</q></p><p>I one had a rather interesting (read: fraking bizarre) conversation about the supposedly “white-washed” BSG.  Yeah, apart from the male lead being Edward…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:37:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>bi racial ...</p><p>As with many Whedon things, good in concept, poor in follow-through.</q></p><p>It's meant to be science fiction set in a time where the language and the people are so mixed that to describe anything a racial is deceptive. They fly in a spaceship and we accept that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:31:31 +1300</pubDate>
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						I'm totally conflicted about Bones. I can see that they're trying to make her a strong character, but the main dynamic of the show is her relationship with Booth, her immediate seduction of him, and his gradual seduction of her. I've slowly given up on it &ndash; she was much…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:29:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						Right… I think I understand what you’re getting at, & it’s a fair call. I found AHS immediately engaging, on a visceral level, so yeah… he obviously found the right button, for me at least. I’d ignored the torture-porn aspect, from a philosophical standpoint. FWIW despite all the characters being generally…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:08:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						As I said to someone recently, the definitive movie on becoming a mother, and about the only one that suggests you can do so and not give birth to a demon or have your personality annihilated by becoming a parent, is Aliens.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:58:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Surely River is at least bi-racial.</q></p><p>Maybe I'm being harsh, but I don't really call slapping a Chinese name on characters played by solidly white actors who very occasionally swear in Mandarin "bi-racial". As with many Whedon things, good in concept, poor in follow-through.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:50:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						If there's a graph of Hollywood femininty, with 0% being the damsel in distress, and 100% being the lad-ette, then it seems to have gone from a downward parabola in the Silent Age to an upward parabola about now.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:38:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						It’s a general issue I have with Ryan Murphy – the utterly incoherent and scattershot characterization and storytelling, not only from episode to episode but sometimes from ad break to ad break.  Given the success of <em>Glee</em> and <em>AHS</em> obviously a lot of folks don’t care, but it drives me…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:35:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						This thread is incomplete without <a href="http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=311" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Kate Beaton</a>.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:25:36 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						<p><q>Although that can run into a kind of dodgy place where having a mental illness is presented as only OK because it gives you Special Powers, as opposed to being part of a range of human existence.</q><br />That’s a fair point, but no, Homeland doesn’t go there. I could rephrase…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:21:05 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>River can be analysed problematically as one of Whedon's Kickass Skinny Pretty White Teenage Girls Thing</q></p><p>Surely River is at least bi-racial.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:20:42 +1300</pubDate>
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						Add to that Penelope Garcia from Criminal Minds. She gets to be talented, intelligent, quirky (although I hate to define her that way...) and she can still be sexy, flirty, and in a completely solid relationship at the same time. As in, she can still be herself even if she…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:01:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						I might want to revisit this when <em>American Horror Story</em> starts, but it’s embarrasing watch Connie Britten. ‘Mrs Coach’ on <em>Friday Night Lights</em> was that rarity: A middle-class, middle-aged married woman in “flyover” country presented with respect and complexity.  AHS? Yet again, I’m left wondering why Ryan Murphy seems obsessed…
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q> Even Homeland – rather than foisting a mental illness onto a character gratuitously to pep up the plot, it’s managed to convey that her major weakness is inextricably linked with her extraordinary skill.</q></p><p>Although that can run into a kind of dodgy place where having a mental illness is presented…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:55:50 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p><q>Yeah I like that bit of her character too.</q></p><p>Knowing shit is hot. Spread the word. :)</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:54:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael J. Parry</title>
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						<p><q> I was kind of hoping someone would point that out. Yes, she's a terrible character. That's because she's in the Star Wars prequels. Duh. </q></p><p>Just replace prequels with nothing.  Otherwise one might think you were saying there were non-terrible charcters in Star Wars.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:54:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael J. Parry</title>
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						<p><q>NCIS doesn't really do "kinky" full stop &ndash; Abby's look may be pretty Loli-Goth but she's also a rather sweet, insanely smart, fiercely loyal to her team young woman with a hint of a "will they/won't they" vibe going on with another member of the core cast.</q></p><p>They sort of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:51:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>I don’t know the show well enough to make a call on whether they’re doing “kinky = goth”.</q></p><p>NCIS doesn't really do "kinky" full stop &ndash; Abby's look may be pretty Loli-Goth but she's also a rather sweet, insanely smart, fiercely loyal to her team young woman with a hint…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:45:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>Pauley Perrette playing Abby Sciuto in NCIS?</q></p><p>I don't know the show well enough to make a call on whether they're doing "kinky = goth".  </p><p><q>That’s why slamming Padme for being a terrible female character is so pointless, none of Lucas’ characters have any depth so what make Padma any…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:36:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<p><q>Starbuck, in BSG, the gods love her, is a good example. Wo-man to the soul. Is she a strong female character? Not really. The subtext here is, to be strong you have to be a man.</q></p><p>If you want to mount the “chicks with dicks” argument, <em>Battlestar Galactica</em> is epically…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:35:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Heather Gaye</title>
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						<p><q>I’d actually argue that what’s far more important to a work than whether it has “a strong female character” is whether it has a range of female characters – filling a variety of different plot and life roles.</q></p><p>I’m pretty happy about a lot of the american TV series I’ve…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:34:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>That’s why slamming Padme for being a terrible female character is so pointless, none of Lucas’ characters have any depth so what make Padma any shallower.</q></p><p>So much This!</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:26:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>Yes. I'd also like it if a poly/kinky character got more than the odd episode in a US crime drama. We're so bloody demanding.</q></p><p>Pauley Perrette playing  Abby Sciuto in NCIS?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:25:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Michael J. Parry</title>
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						<p><q>I just want them to be believable and real. A character is "strong" if the writer makes me care what happens to them. Which is not strength at all, but depth. </q></p><p>That's what I aspire to do in my writing. I'll have to book mark this as a reminder when…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:24:32 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>It’s welcome that they appear in fiction now, but it’d also be nice if they were allowed to be more different.</q></p><p>Have you read "The speed of dark" Russell? I enjoyed the book but was never quite sure if it was "right".</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:20:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						Gotta say very surprised to see River Tam on that list. She always struck me a the loony psycho character. That she happened to also be a girl always felt incidental to me, she is a character first. That she is the subject of multiple rescues makes perfect sense because…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:18:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>This also applies to characters on the autism spectrum, who tend to be presented on screen as a grab-bag of symptoms. It’s welcome that they appear in fiction now, but it’d also be nice if they were allowed to be more different.</q></p><p>Yes. I'd also like it if a poly/kinky…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:18:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						<p><q>Which is one of the things that really annoys me about the inclusion of River Tam in that 5 Worst list. Elizabeth Swann is The Girl. Padme is The Girl. River? Why is River in that list, and not Kaylee or Zoe or Inara?</q></p><p>Dude, WTF. I mean, are there…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:16:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Yeah, this. And it’s the same with LGBT characters, and non-White characters. If you’ve got more than one, you can show you know they’re different. Just like people. </q></p><p>This also applies to characters on the autism spectrum, who tend to be presented on screen as a grab-bag of symptoms. It’s…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>No-one had to shoulder the burden of being everything a woman in fiction is supposed to be. </q></p><p>Yeah, this. And it's the same with LGBT characters, and non-White characters. If you've got more than one, you can show you know they're different. Just like people. Which is one of the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:06:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						Have you seen the Maggie Thatcher movie?
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				<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:02:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Stewart</title>
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						I'd actually argue that what's far more important to a work than whether it has "a strong female character" is whether it has <em>a range</em> of female characters &ndash; filling a variety of different plot and life roles. I'm not going to be impressed by your dedication to portraying women,…
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				<title>Chris Miller</title>
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						My favourite female character on Downton Abbey is Daisy. She's not what a lot of people would call strong. She's naive and sweet. She gets pressured into doing things she doesn't want to do. BUT... she doesn't compromise her ideas of what's right and wrong. Even when giving in and…
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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