Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: Why Auckland, and New Zealand, needs the city rail link https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235956#post235956 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235956#post235956 I was following those Oklahoma earthquakes on twitter (I follow earthquakes everywhere) and there were several, and some quite big and house damaging.

There is also the tar sands issue in the US which is fracking related and yesterday protestors surrounded (ie encircled) the White House. Naomi Klein and various…

]]> Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:09:37 +1300 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235893#post235893 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235893#post235893 So if fracking is causing earthquakes in places that don't normally get them, with some of those in Oklahoma recently being about 5ish, do we really want to find out what they'd do in a seismically hyperactive place like NZ?

As bad as man-made earthquakes are, that's far from the…

]]> Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:58:02 +1300 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235888#post235888 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235888#post235888 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:50:18 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235834#post235834 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235834#post235834 I’m not interested in Auckland being like every other city in the world, generally. We are what we are

.. the largest Pacific/Maori city in the world, for one. I look forward to more architecture reflecting that, like the Manukau Events Centre, and governance that reflects those long traditions.

]]> Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:12:33 +1300 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235831#post235831 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235831#post235831 Interested folk in North Canterbury can catch GASLAND
– a US based Fracking documentary by Josh Fox

Watched it last night. Absolutely shocking.

]]> Tue, 08 Nov 2011 09:35:33 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235825#post235825 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235825#post235825 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 09:10:04 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235819#post235819 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235819#post235819 sining the Magma Crater...
Just hope those Auckland volcanoes do not respond to seismic activity as people cross the harbour, over or below the surface.
...or from the drilling of all those tunnels through the dormant (extinct?) cone field of greater Auckland.
:- )

What the frack...
Interesting to note…

]]> Tue, 08 Nov 2011 08:30:23 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235818#post235818 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235818#post235818 Pick up the car in the morning, bro. The last train’s at 12.36am. Night may have barely started by then ;-)

Heh, an extra trip just to use the train :-)

I've found it very useful for trips to Waiheke. Train is much nicer for children in prams, and the…

]]> Tue, 08 Nov 2011 08:28:30 +1300 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235815#post235815 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235815#post235815 Tue, 08 Nov 2011 08:01:44 +1300 Patrick Reynolds https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235813#post235813 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235813#post235813 http://transportblog.co.nz/2011/11/08/re-analysing-the-city-rail-links-benefits/ ]]> Tue, 08 Nov 2011 07:56:02 +1300 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235791#post235791 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235791#post235791 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:50:59 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235790#post235790 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235790#post235790 The power of the Auckland vote will make this into an election issue in very short order. Politicians are craven creatures, and they will very quickly see the error of their ways.

So long as Prostetnic Vogon Joyce and his cohorts don't do a Greater London Council on 'Red Len'.…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:48:53 +1300 Colin Ross https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235788#post235788 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235788#post235788 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:37:56 +1300 peterpeasant https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235786#post235786 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235786#post235786 Wellington as a through station to the South Island is problematic.
Wellington as a through station to its own hinterland is problematic

A Christchurch type sequence and Wellington is a major disaster. (Parliament does not count!)

Just hope those Auckland volcanoes do not respond to seismic activity as people cross…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 21:27:20 +1300 Nat https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235781#post235781 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235781#post235781
Nat the Herald is run by regressive Nat Party naturals like John Roughan which means the whole publication has a very clear subtext. I sent them a carefully tailored piece on the AK plans, ideal length etc. Result? not only is it not run but it just spurs Roughan to…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:55:56 +1300 Steve Withers https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235776#post235776 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235776#post235776 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 20:22:40 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235768#post235768 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235768#post235768 Hmmm, but after the big one, it’s a 5 min drive home?

Pick up the car in the morning, bro. The last train’s at 12.36am. Night may have barely started by then ;-)

But yeah, it’s totally the “nicer to ride” thing. Also, my mate’s place is walking distance from…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 19:25:51 +1300 martinb https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235761#post235761 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235761#post235761 Yeh- Roughan was arguing on the weekend that Goff had committed lese majeste by calling someone who'd told a lie a liar, and that whichever party had the most votes should form the government.

So if Labour and the Greens had 52 combined and the Nats had 47 he's arguing…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:32:34 +1300 Patrick Reynolds https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235760#post235760 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235760#post235760 http://publicaddress.net/speaker/john-roughan-is-scared/ ]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:28:59 +1300 martinb https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235759#post235759 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235759#post235759 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:27:55 +1300 Patrick Reynolds https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235756#post235756 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235756#post235756 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 18:23:42 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235751#post235751 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235751#post235751 Nat, have you seen the Herald? No Chance, I’ve tried.

If you introduced yourself as Dr. P. Reynolds you may have a chance.

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:56:15 +1300 Nat https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235744#post235744 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235744#post235744
Nat, have you seen the Herald? No Chance, I've tried.

Well, yes I have, but the case is so clear and obvious and well expressed, it might change minds if it was given the right forum. What that is and how you get access to it are questions whose answers…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 17:25:22 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235736#post235736 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235736#post235736 better options for boozy nights unless you’re walking distance from a train station.

Trouble there is you can easily fall asleep on a train, I once ended up miles from home as the sun was coming up.
(I could have “Coddingtonised” that)
“I once woke up hundreds of thousands…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:51:23 +1300 Patrick Reynolds https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235735#post235735 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235735#post235735 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:49:19 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235733#post235733 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235733#post235733 Failing to strongly and consistently refute Joyce’s lies – like claiming the loan for Auckland rail as spending – is part of the same malaise. We all deserve better.

Which is part of the reason why I made a printable poster about it. I also have a trucking-related poster in…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:47:04 +1300 Nat https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235729#post235729 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235729#post235729 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 16:31:34 +1300 Leopold https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235716#post235716 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235716#post235716 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:53:10 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235709#post235709 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235709#post235709 I confess, it's taken me too long to realise what a sweet way into town the Western Line is from Pt Chev. Baldwin Ave is a 5 min drive from where I am, and a fairly safe place to leave the car if I'm in for a big one.

Hmmm,…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:36:13 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235703#post235703 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235703#post235703 Sorry, that's unduly snarky of me. This issue has been managed way better than most others – and polls show good public support already so the message must be working.

Like public opposition to asset sales, it's not being translated into voting intent but that's a bigger problem than this…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:26:53 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235698#post235698 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235698#post235698 what a sweet way into town the Western Line is

I love the view of the city with the line following a different angle than the roads

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 15:09:00 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235694#post235694 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235694#post235694 Central government transport policy currently seems to be developed from the point of view of a private car driver

A driver from Albany, at that. Who liked playing with toy trucks as a boy, perhaps.

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:57:48 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235693#post235693 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235693#post235693 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:57:43 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235692#post235692 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235692#post235692 just what we need a marketing team

competent campaigning has become such a novelty

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:56:19 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235688#post235688 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235688#post235688 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:50:49 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235687#post235687 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235687#post235687 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:48:11 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235685#post235685 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235685#post235685 And the commercial truck driver, don't forget them. The trucking sector is by far the biggest beneficiary of the RONS program.

And Big Cycling too, they're all road users who won't get a damned thing out of a rail loop, but could cut those Kaitai-Invercargill trips down with the cycleway…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:43:33 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235684#post235684 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235684#post235684 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:37:11 +1300 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235683#post235683 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235683#post235683 Central government transport policy currently seems to be developed from the point of view of a private car driver

And the commercial truck driver, don't forget them. The trucking sector is by far the biggest beneficiary of the RONS program.

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:35:12 +1300 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235680#post235680 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235680#post235680 This enabled them to widen the street and turn Courtenay Place into a public transport hub to coincide with the electrification of the trams in 1904 and the gradual extension of the tramlines out to the suburbs (particularly with the completion of the Hataitai tram tunnel in 1907).

Tram infrastructure…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:26:23 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235678#post235678 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235678#post235678 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:21:14 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235677#post235677 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235677#post235677 the project needs to be sold way more compellingly

Oh good just what we need a marketing team.

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:18:38 +1300 Patrick Reynolds https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235671#post235671 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235671#post235671 Angus, I just don't just want something in particular, I want a rational, balanced, and transformative transport investment programme with our money.

Do you mean because the Link is in one place the people around it should pay for it directly? Well every single road is only ever in one…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:12:57 +1300 Patrick Reynolds https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235667#post235667 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235667#post235667 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:04:59 +1300 Angus Robertson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235655#post235655 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235655#post235655 If only that were true. Govt holds more than just the purse strings.

But they only care about the purse strings. If Auckland wants a rail loop and is willing to pay for it, no central government will get in the way.

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:46:38 +1300 Ross Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235652#post235652 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235652#post235652 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:45:56 +1300 Gabor Toth https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235643#post235643 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235643#post235643 ...the Central Station in Courtenay Place

is that why that street is so wide?

Almost – but not quite. The City Council bought up all the land on the northern side of Courtenay Place and demolished all the buildings on it around the turn of last century. This enabled them…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:33:20 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235639#post235639 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235639#post235639 If we want to put in a subway we can do it and we can pay and we do not need central government.

If only that were true. Govt holds more than just the purse strings.

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:29:01 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235638#post235638 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235638#post235638 I just don’t see the point in phrasing it as some sort of policy-pinching. People have been trying to get this thing done since the 1920s.

I agree.

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:27:05 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235636#post235636 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235636#post235636 Nowhere near it.

Well, I have to admit to being a little disingenuous there ;-)
BUT...
I think you will find that the total cost of Brittomart, including the undergrounding of the rail on Customs St, exceeded that total by quite a margin and that was in 2001 dollars and…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:25:25 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235634#post235634 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235634#post235634 I believe the Greens (and many public transport advocates) were pushing this before the Council very gratifyingly and publicly hopped on the bandwagon.

The Auckland Council endorsed the route almost as soon as it was constituted: how’s that bandwagon-jumping? ARTA announced it had a developed a provisional route back in…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:21:05 +1300 Angus Robertson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235633#post235633 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235633#post235633 All New Zealand needs Auckland functioning as well as possible, source of 36% of our GDP, so this is truly a project of National Significance.

The flip side of this is pretty obvious we are a city, 31% of the population, of National Significance. If we want to put in…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:20:05 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235629#post235629 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235629#post235629 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:16:16 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235628#post235628 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235628#post235628 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:11:51 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235627#post235627 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235627#post235627 the Central Station in Courtenay Place
is that why that street is so wide?
I think Courtenay Place used to be Tram and Trolley Bus terminus / transfer area, but judging by this live streaming cam they have got rid of the bus stops in the middle of the road…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:09:39 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235621#post235621 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235621#post235621 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:59:42 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235620#post235620 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235620#post235620 With the money saved by not building Brittomart we could have had a “world class” transport system for our “world class” City.

Nowhere near it. Britomart cost a bit over $200m. I think leaving the station where it was would have been like only putting four lanes on the Habour…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:59:24 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235619#post235619 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235619#post235619 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:59:15 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235618#post235618 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235618#post235618 Dwarf Star?
The presence of Joyce in government twists every issue he touches out of shape.
The black hole at the heart of the National Galaxy...

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:56:56 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235613#post235613 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235613#post235613 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:44:54 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235612#post235612 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235612#post235612 Well, two, I think you’ll find

Yeah, apparently Labour are on board now – and nice to see the Greens generously working together with them on it.

Jacinda Ardern and others have been very vocal in support of the project since the route was revealed by Len Brown a year…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:44:43 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235611#post235611 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235611#post235611 We have been through all this before. When Les Mills wanted to build his monument, Brittomart Station, the excuse given was that the existing Station was too far from the city and the commuters, poor dears, could not be expected to walk that far, just under a kilometre.
The old…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:43:57 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235610#post235610 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235610#post235610 the Central Station in Courtenay Place

is that why that street is so wide?

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:43:50 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235598#post235598 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235598#post235598 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:21:53 +1300 Leopold https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235585#post235585 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235585#post235585 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:53:03 +1300 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235580#post235580 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235580#post235580 The best idea for Wellington I’ve heard is the Green’s, with a light rail track from the train station to the airport, as well as a loop into central Lower Hutt.

In the 1990s a group by the name of "Transport 2000" put together a pretty comprehensive plan for light…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:44:45 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235578#post235578 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235578#post235578 As has been said on Joshua's fine blog, the project needs to be sold way more compellingly.

"City rail link" does not convey network completion, faster travel, more frequent and reliable services (how does 5 minutes between trains sound to your average passenger?) or any other real benefits.

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:40:19 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235576#post235576 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235576#post235576 Well, two, I think you'll find

Yeah, apparently Labour are on board now – and nice to see the Greens generously working together with them on it.

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:36:50 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235575#post235575 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235575#post235575 Shorter: this doubles the capacity of the region's entire rail network.

It also enables a new line to the airport that cannot otherwise connect to the same tracks. Too easy for the argument to get diverted into being about the CBD.

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:34:01 +1300 Joshua Arbury https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235573#post235573 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235573#post235573 In a way the argument for the project is even simpler, though this piece is excellent.

Here's my short argument for the project:

"Over the next 30 years Auckland's population is estimated to increase by close to a million people. The rest of the country's increase will be less than…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:22:57 +1300 Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235570#post235570 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235570#post235570 Wellington's trains used to end near where Te Papa is now. If it had stayed like that would have been easy to extend to airport. Short sighted solutions from earlier eras.

The space of the former train tracks was turned into roading!

The best idea for Wellington I've heard is…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:12:02 +1300 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235567#post235567 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235567#post235567 Oh and one political party has promised to support it

Well, two, I think you'll find :-)

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:01:06 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235564#post235564 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235564#post235564 Feel free to distribute this far and wide…

Holiday Highways To Nowhere – full size poster

And while we're at it, dig up as many OSH reports as you can on the trucking sector. Maybe transport could be Nicky Hager's next project?

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:54:32 +1300 James Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235562#post235562 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235562#post235562 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:52:33 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235560#post235560 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235560#post235560 Rail was how the west was won, not how to keep it. Do they hand those BMW's back for the holidays?

Bart "Oh and one political party has promised to support it while another has promised to oppose it."
That would be the eternal Auckland Negation Principle operating right there.

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:46:31 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235558#post235558 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235558#post235558 This!

When we walked around the North Wharf and the new Wynyard Quarter it really felt like Auckland had grown up. Real cities have restaurants on the waterfront. Real cities have public spaces by the water.

Real cities also have viable public transport.

Oh and one political party has promised…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:43:38 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235557#post235557 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235557#post235557 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:41:33 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235556#post235556 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235556#post235556 Sydney built the bulk of its underground in The Depression . . .
Sydney’s first two underground stations predate the depression, and the bulk of its tunnels – Eastern Suburbs, Airport Line, Epping to Chatswood – are much more recent. It’s the commuter rail associated with the Harbour Bridge, not…

]]> Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:40:48 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235553#post235553 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235553#post235553 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:13:13 +1300 Chris Bowden https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235551#post235551 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235551#post235551 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:07:50 +1300 Hans Versluys https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235548#post235548 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235548#post235548 Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:01:22 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235547#post235547 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-auckland-and-new-zealand-needs/?p=235547#post235547 Discussion from blog post.

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