Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: Why all the fuss over six trees? https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335857#post335857 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335857#post335857 Sat, 21 Feb 2015 01:50:22 +1300 Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335848#post335848 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335848#post335848 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 21:34:17 +1300 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335841#post335841 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335841#post335841 NZ Herald: Six giant pohutukawa trees saved

Six giant pohutukawa trees that Auckland Transport wanted to cut down to provide extra traffic space at Western Springs have been saved.

Yes, but from the same article:

The decision will start the clock on 15 working days for appeals to the Environment…

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:38:33 +1300 Deborah https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335840#post335840 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335840#post335840 NZ Herald: Six giant pohutukawa trees saved
Six giant pohutukawa trees that Auckland Transport wanted to cut down to provide extra traffic space at Western Springs have been saved.

]]> Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:35:07 +1300 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335839#post335839 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335839#post335839 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:18:36 +1300 Angela Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335759#post335759 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335759#post335759 Action Station is running a campaign to save these trees. The Auckland Transport Board meets tomorrow, if you can get to the meeting it is one of the most effective ways to demonstrate the level of public interest and concern on this issue.

Event: Auckland Transport Board meeting

When: Friday…

]]> Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:28:30 +1300 Rhys Jones https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335281#post335281 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335281#post335281 So sorry to hear about your accident, James. (Actually not an accident – it's exactly the sort of outcome that intersection is designed to produce.)

Your experience just highlights how hostile that area is to anyone who's not in a motor vehicle. And, unfortunately, the planned 'improvements' do nothing to…

]]> Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:28:34 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335280#post335280 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335280#post335280 that it will be slow

That does depend on your definition of slow.

In reality, at the most this change will mean a minute or two for any given driver, probably less.

Like many things that happen in a car the perspective on time seem to be unreasonable. Most meetings…

]]> Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:26:25 +1300 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335273#post335273 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335273#post335273 “This is not a hollow engagement. We think taking a little bit of extra time will not do us any harm. It’s a good thing to listen to what the public has to say and to take them into account.”

Jesus fucking Christ. We pay these people’s salaries. These are…

]]> Thu, 05 Feb 2015 00:57:08 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335270#post335270 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335270#post335270 In short what I’m suggesting is that maybe we shouldn’t promise short fast trips through our urban areas. Perhaps those that choose to drive should do so in the full knowledge that it will be slow

The Basin Flyover is an excellent analogy, and this is nicely put. And this…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 23:18:39 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335269#post335269 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335269#post335269 James ! So sorry to hear this. Thank you for following up on it.

And as if we needed another argument for fully separated bike lanes along that heavily-trafficked-by-all-modes (including kids towing kids on skateboards!) road.

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 23:07:31 +1300 Bluesky https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335267#post335267 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335267#post335267 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 21:53:53 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335257#post335257 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335257#post335257 pointing percy at the proletariat...
it is about priorities and the complete lack of meaningful public consultation
Same thing in Chchch – just one case in point: Victoria Square
sent in to fix some 'slumping' CCDU wants to spend $7 million, needlessly...
CCDU has done little to explain in any…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 18:17:57 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335253#post335253 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335253#post335253 A broader concern is that due to legal action from the Property Council and pressure from Wellington, Auckland Council was forced several years ago to remove its blanket protection on large trees

More than pressure. The government changed the law, didn't they?

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 17:39:28 +1300 Bluesky https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335252#post335252 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335252#post335252 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 17:10:22 +1300 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335245#post335245 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335245#post335245 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:13:26 +1300 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335244#post335244 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335244#post335244 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:09:38 +1300 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335243#post335243 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335243#post335243 Keep a safety eye out for the guy ...
Kevlar
Good luck, kiddies!

And ... I came off my bike this morning, right there. East bound beside Western Springs Park. The traffic control allows no room for bikes. I got on the footpath. Workers up ahead. I got on the…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:07:41 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335241#post335241 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335241#post335241 Perhaps those that choose to drive should do so in the full knowledge that it will be slow and that they may have to wait a couple of minutes or more for a pedestrian light to end

Yet the crazy new parallel cycle route along Dominion Rd does the opposite,…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 15:51:39 +1300 Stephen Forbes-Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335240#post335240 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335240#post335240 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 15:41:01 +1300 Josh Petyt https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335239#post335239 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335239#post335239 Replace a few keywords to move the story south and change references to 'pōhutukawa' to 'flyover' and you'd have a story about the crap Wellington has been having with the Basin Reserve.

The traffic engineering KPI of ‘minutes saved’ on a journey is in most cases unbelievably stupid. Sure it…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 15:02:46 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335237#post335237 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335237#post335237 forced imprisonment apparently? ]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 14:51:07 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335235#post335235 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335235#post335235 here's how it can be done — Cycle Action Auckland with an appreciation of the construction and comms teams a couple of kilometres away at the SH16 cycleway. ]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 14:36:48 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335231#post335231 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335231#post335231 The traffic engineers want this.
Never seen any evidence of need.

Yes, again., it's "because we say so".

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 13:23:40 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335230#post335230 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335230#post335230 Doesn’t the road need to be raised to enable a smooth turn left ?(heading west)

The traffic engineers want this.
Never seen any evidence of need.

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 13:16:35 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335222#post335222 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335222#post335222 trees a crowd...
The largest of those trees overhang GNR significantly.
...and in light of this attack on an innocent bus by an arboreal antagonist – well all trees should be felled...

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:03:05 +1300 Glenn Pearce https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335212#post335212 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335212#post335212 Regardless of the road width issue, what about the height? The largest of those trees overhang GNR significantly. Doesn't the road need to be raised to enable a smooth turn left ?(heading west).

Wasn't the height the original requirement that drove the request to trim the trees that the local…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:24:06 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335209#post335209 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335209#post335209 2) did anyone consider the option of running the bike and pedestrian path behind the trees? Not necessarily ideal, in that you’d lose the shaded footpath at the foot of the trees beside the road, which brings traffic ever closer to the trees. BUT it does continue the line of… ]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:17:47 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335207#post335207 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335207#post335207 And then, about a third of the way across the bridge – at the point where the painted bike “lane” peters out – there will be a curb cut for you to hop onto the footpath.

Ah. That hasn't been apparent on any diagram I've seen so far, and it's…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:11:15 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335204#post335204 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335204#post335204 ( OMG is this even really a word )"dis-benefits”.

It does sound a bit Newspeak-ish.

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:50:19 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335200#post335200 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335200#post335200 did anyone consider the option of running the bike and pedestrian path behind the trees?

I still think the best place for a cycle path through that intersection is underneath. Given the relative ease of running smallish tunnels nowadays it seems the obvious way to make sure the bikes and…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:31:00 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335195#post335195 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335195#post335195 advantages when they're fairly blooming obvious. ]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 01:56:10 +1300 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335194#post335194 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335194#post335194 ( OMG is this even really a word )"dis-benefits".

That's terrible! If they'd had to invent a word, surely they could've gone for something like, I dunno, 'malefit'?

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 00:53:08 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335193#post335193 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335193#post335193 Incredibly, no one can explain to me how I will get onto the new shared path if I’m cycling from Point Chev and turning right onto the bridge.

The not-a-public-meeting "community liaison" meeting had a massive paper layout of the design they currently have consent for, and I asked your…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 00:23:18 +1300 Jolisa https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335192#post335192 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335192#post335192 I kinda need the numbers in the cost/benefit before I can get involved in the tree debate.

Just hoped someone here might have them.

Here's a helpful document detailing the options that were apparently considered. The mathematical traffic models aren't necessarily transparent, but each option lists the benefits and (…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 00:12:12 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335191#post335191 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335191#post335191 shell be write…
where’s Fay Weldon when you need her?
She’s hardly to be relied on…
her reminiscences of her first 15 years in Chchch are picked apart here
and I’m wondering if she was remembering an early ‘Eat an Egg a Day’ promotion in NZ, There was a club…

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 23:16:36 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335190#post335190 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335190#post335190 crosstown traffic...
1 lane of busses and a pedestrian crossing.
A whole lane of kisses and a Catholic afoot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF9oUf-1RoI

Auckland wasn't built in a day...

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 22:41:13 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335188#post335188 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335188#post335188 All good suggestions, which I make regular use of (and no problems with a toll). But – what with me living in Titirangi and all – sometimes it’s the car. Sometimes I can dodge that road. Sometimes I can’t.

You’re actually not wrong about the intersection. It locks up eastbound…

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 22:10:57 +1300 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335187#post335187 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335187#post335187 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 21:13:36 +1300 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335186#post335186 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335186#post335186 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 18:31:43 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335185#post335185 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335185#post335185 Yeah exactly. It's easier to get people to focus on small stuff like pohutakawa trees than the big, distant issue of climate change.

See also fracking – it's probably possible to do it safely at a micro level, but not doing it keeps the oil price high and limits consumption.…

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 18:10:31 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335183#post335183 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335183#post335183 Any links to how AT's version of it?

bit knackered right now. Transportblog had all the detail including the illustrations and links to AT/NZTA's full documentation.

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:22:05 +1300 Rhys Jones https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335181#post335181 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335181#post335181 Thanks for your comments, Ian. That was part of my motivation for writing this piece – trying to understand what it was that had got people (myself included) so invested in the fate of six trees. They are magnificent, but it's not like their removal poses an existential threat.

Having…

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:53:35 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335180#post335180 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335180#post335180 Given how short the extra lane replacing the tress is in the plans, looks like about another 7 vehicles will sit there between light changes, waiting to sit on the wider motorway overbridge before either continuing to St Lukes or turning onto the motorway westbound. Doesn't seem like much of… ]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:42:52 +1300 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335179#post335179 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335179#post335179 Oh, great, thanks Sacha.

Mmm. That does indeed look a bit *whatevs*. I thought maybe it was more to do with the motorway than Gt Nth Rd.

Any links to how AT's version of it?

Ian Dalziel: where's Fay Weldon when you need her?

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 16:01:58 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335178#post335178 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335178#post335178 It’ll be the same with the RMA reforms – They’ll get rammed through, a compliant media will talk about couples bonking in public and in a year everyone will sit around wailing about how powerless they are to stop a Chinese corporation building a mega-resort at Cathedral cove, and wondering… ]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:46:25 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335177#post335177 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335177#post335177 The raised funds can go to providing adequate public transport that's faster than driving.

Goods and service vehicles can factor the charge into their costs, given that it would apply to every business equally (or choose to deliver off peak).

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:40:59 +1300 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335176#post335176 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335176#post335176 All good suggestions, which I make regular use of (and no problems with a toll). But – what with me living in Titirangi and all – sometimes it's the car. Sometimes I can dodge that road. Sometimes I can't.

But as a regular user of that road in all its…

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:40:11 +1300 Rhys Jones https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335175#post335175 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335175#post335175 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:31:52 +1300 Rhys Jones https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335173#post335173 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335173#post335173 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:22:54 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335172#post335172 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335172#post335172 By car, that can be a 30 minute wait.
I see a gap in the market for roadside hard boiled egg sellers!
Order at the Bullock track – Pickup at St Lukes
Breakfast of Champions!

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:16:56 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335171#post335171 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335171#post335171 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:13:46 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335170#post335170 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335170#post335170 Leaving Grey Lynn at 5, it's not uncommon for traffic to be backed up hundreds of metres before the Bullock Track to the corner of St Lukes. By car, that can be a 30 minute wait.

So don't go that way then or go by bus or by bike
.…

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:13:19 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335168#post335168 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335168#post335168 You could walk in to the CBD from Grey Lynn in not much longer than that.

A $50 congestion charge (or a variable congestion charge on the airline model so as to regulate the number of vehicles to match road capacity) would solve the problem without pouring any concrete. Worked…

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:09:24 +1300 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335167#post335167 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335167#post335167 so that in about ten years’ time motorists can save a few minutes

Whatever the gain, the problem is more serious than this flippancy suggests. I travel through there daily, usually by car, sometimes by bike.

Leaving Grey Lynn at 5, it's not uncommon for traffic to be backed up…

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 14:34:56 +1300 EliotBlennerhassett https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335166#post335166 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335166#post335166 Replace pohutukawa trees with Victoria Square, more lanes with hmm, nothing?, and this piece sums up the situation here in Christchurch.
And as for resource consent hearing ... you should be so lucky

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 14:12:17 +1300 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335164#post335164 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335164#post335164 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:59:44 +1300 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335163#post335163 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335163#post335163 Ianmac, I think that people do care. Rhy Jones, the author of this post is a spokesperson with Ora Taiao, a prominent climate change & health lobby group.

These trees are emblematic of a number of issues. After agriculture, our largest emission source is transport, and this has increased massively since…

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:32:41 +1300 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335162#post335162 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335162#post335162 or should that be ‘my way is the highway’?

Hang on! This is Auckland "CRL or bust or both" Transport you're talking about. Whatever their stance – or process – regarding the trees, you can't suggest they're anything besides enthusiastic champions of public transport and cycle lanes.

Sure, PT & cycling…

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 12:49:35 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335161#post335161 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335161#post335161 Those increased demand curves are bullshit. ]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 12:28:22 +1300 Ianmac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335160#post335160 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335160#post335160 Interesting to me is the rage over a bunch of old trees. So many people expressing their angst. But where is the angst for the CO2 reaching 400.46 ppm today according to the Keeling Curve? Where are the raging citizens about that?
It seems to me that we can get…

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:25:08 +1300 Steve Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335159#post335159 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335159#post335159 Tony makes some very good points about the high priests who serve the great god called Traffic.
But of course they are completely fallible with their computer aided prognostications as we saw with the joining of the South Western motorway with the Southern at Wiri. The computer models said it…

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:09:19 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335158#post335158 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335158#post335158 in a year everyone will sit around

You forgot to note that in two years that nice Mr Key will promise everyone a tax cut and all this wailing and moaning and gnashing of teeth will be forgotten and they'll vote for him again.

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:02:12 +1300 Patrick Reynolds https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335157#post335157 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335157#post335157 Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:48:21 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335156#post335156 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335156#post335156 There is certainly a sense among many commentators that unelected officials have been given far too much power…

Welcome to the neo-liberal state. Rodney Hide didn’t create the CCO abominations for them to be democratically accountable and consultative organisations working with the people of Auckland, they were created to be…

]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:09:44 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335155#post335155 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335155#post335155 on the agenda today. Hopefully people get better at… ]]> Tue, 03 Feb 2015 07:57:44 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335154#post335154 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-why-all-the-fuss-over-six-trees/?p=335154#post335154 Discussion from blog post.

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