Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: Who guards the guardians?

merc

Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:41:22 +1300

Who is guarding Sky?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10789973

Graham Dunster

Tue, 06 Mar 2012 12:27:42 +1300

Finkelstein's report is not looking very healthy, judging by the comments on the Mumbrella site – http://mumbrella.com.au/digital-naivety-dooms-the-finkelstein-inquiry-77337 .

chris

Sat, 03 Mar 2012 22:42:57 +1300

Thanks for that link Dan, a telling picture painted there. That comment section is far more transparent than anything I've seen on New Zealand providers. Re: Stuff, When censored while following the posting guidelines to a T, any objective integrity publishers claim to possess is negated. It is of extraordinary…

Dan Rose

Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:18:47 +1300

I find this a perfect example of public opinion vs forced journalistic opinion: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/03/world/middleeast/obama-says-military-option-on-iran-not-a-bluff.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2 Check the comments section on the reader picks and the nyt picks. Note the tilt on the nyt picks for corporate interests.

Dan Rose

Sat, 03 Mar 2012 20:12:26 +1300

I have all but given up posting at stuff.co.nz,"moderated" perhaps should be deemed censorship of any contrary position, especially given the almost infomercial substance of a majority of content.

chris

Sat, 03 Mar 2012 19:22:26 +1300

I’d suggest everyone read Manufacturing Consent and get a good understanding of how the distorting filters work in these organisations and how in turn it controls, frames and influences public discourse and democratic process.

Exactly, when attempting to query the political appropriateness of this project at stuff.co.nz, I was…

Dan Rose

Sat, 03 Mar 2012 18:53:52 +1300

Most Helpful thank you DeepRed

Kumara Republic

Fri, 02 Mar 2012 23:49:23 +1300

The basic premise was who do you report that kind of information to, as I have tried and no one wants to touch it, least of all mainstream media.

Maybe those Silicon Valley companies that Blacked Out in opposition to SOPA and PIPA?

merc

Fri, 02 Mar 2012 22:37:05 +1300

If you're not paying for it, you are the product.

shug

Fri, 02 Mar 2012 20:35:43 +1300

"A free press is critical to a democracy" might be true, but a press monopolised by multi-national corporations is not 'free'. I'd suggest everyone read Manufacturing Consent and get a good understanding of how the distorting filters work in these organisations and how in turn it controls, frames and influences…

Dan Rose

Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:17:58 +1300

Apologies Half of my post was cut off. The basic premise was who do you report that kind of information to, as I have tried and no one wants to touch it, least of all mainstream media.

Dan Rose

Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:44:13 +1300

As an example I am aware of a several journalists who have evidence crucial to the effect of the transpacific trade deal on New Zealand and its negative implications, but have been categorically told report on it and you will lose your jobs, this related specifically to the allocation of…

Kumara Republic

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 23:15:38 +1300

And somehow mining heiress Gina Rinehart's recent stakeholding in Fairfax isn't for the actual financial returns.

What we need is nothing less than a Justice Leveson or Finkelstein.

Rich of Observationz

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 20:31:35 +1300

I actually don't want a corrections system, because it would just give the newspapers a better appearance of credibility and the ability to fine-tune their propaganda.

The real problem is that we allow one organisation (typically controlled by a few ultra-wealthy individuals) to have a complete monopoly of newspapers in…

Russell Brown

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:25:39 +1300

But the point would be not to excise without comment, but to replace or amend the offending section (sentence, paragraph, article, etc.) with an explicit acknowledgement of why material has had to be removed or amended. As in, the process has to be seen to be working.

The top newspapers…

linger

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:54:19 +1300

But the point would be not to excise without comment, but to replace or amend the offending section (sentence, paragraph, article, etc.) with an explicit acknowledgement of why material has had to be removed or amended. As in, the process has to be seen to be working.

Brent Jackson

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:53:19 +1300

I think it is important that there is a media watchdog. It is important that mistakes of fact are rectified. Any large media organisation should have to be a member, either compulsorily, or because voluntary membership has compelling reasons. I am unsure as to how “large” and “media” can be…

Moz

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 16:29:06 +1300

I'm wondering if there's something between what amounts to a blog by the media body that just lists the corrections, and a full-blown TV show/newspaper correction. A lot of the power of a correction is in its accessibility, and in that sense a professionally maintained wiki might be a useful…

Stephen Judd

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:32:45 +1300

I was talking more of the situations where “Tabloid Today” makes up something, gets forced to show a correction, then when it goes to resell/reshow that episode it no longer fits into a standard timeslot because the correction makes it too long.

OK, that makes sense. Though I reckon that…

Moz

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:20:32 +1300

I was talking more of the situations where "Tabloid Today" makes up something, gets forced to show a correction, then when it goes to resell/reshow that episode it no longer fits into a standard timeslot because the correction makes it too long.

Media-monitoring shows are something that appeal to me…

Kumara Republic

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 15:15:15 +1300

If it's anything to go by, Fair Go's raison d'être could be under a cloud.

Stephen Judd

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:48:54 +1300

but a 22 minute (half hour) story with even 2 minutes of corrections is going to be very hard to show on commercial TV.

I dunno, look at the success of the Daily Show and Have I Got News For You. In fact never mind that, look at the success…

Moz

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:36:13 +1300

Australia's Media Watch attempts to do this, but I think something slightly more permanent would be helpful. Perhaps requiring that reproductions of the story include the correction and a link to the judgement would help? And allowing citizen input to be recorded would allow third parties to help with the…

Moz

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:32:18 +1300

I think the benefits of belonging need to be strong, clearly expressed and valuable. The body needs clear powers to expel and otherwise punish members (and a clear definition of the effect of membership/expulsion). Some token of acceptance of the rules would also be required, if for no other reason…

Stephen Judd

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 14:14:34 +1300

Nowadays it is so easy for any site to maintain a "corrections" page, but I can't think of a single NZ media outlet that does. Perhaps if one did this in the interests of building a reputation as a quality news source, the others would follow out of competition, but…

HamishFraser

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 13:09:41 +1300

In regards to convergence of media, a futurist would look at the current situation and probably consider the development of digital "mobs" as a certainty (already a developing reality). In a simplistic sense if it's the news media's task to report the "facts" and "truths" and dispel inaccuracies – then…

Russell Brown

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 11:29:44 +1300

Thanks Graeme. There is a link to Public Address Rule One in the paragraph above, but I've added the user registration text too:

While we encourage vigorous debate, we require forum users to refrain from personal abuse and aggressive behaviour towards others. Posts which breach this policy will be deleted…

Graeme Edgeler

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 11:22:38 +1300

This is the second post to carry the following:

The discussion will be moderated, however this moderation will be in accordance with the normal rules of moderation in this forum (link).

without actually having a (link)...

Public Address

Thu, 01 Mar 2012 11:22:38 +1300

Discussion from blog post.