Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: We don’t make the rules, we're just trying to play by them https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=342420#post342420 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=342420#post342420 when publishers buy the rights to distribute an ebook here then block us from buying it

that behaviour ought to be prohibited.

]]> Wed, 24 Jun 2015 21:04:08 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=342417#post342417 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=342417#post342417 VPNs however remain untouched.

I dunno what you're talking about. I am on holiday in Britanada right now, using a VPN is beyond my ability... watching iPlayer while recording a Canadian music show for later consumption.

One geoblocking trick that really grumps me is when publishers buy the rights to…

]]> Wed, 24 Jun 2015 20:11:10 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=342388#post342388 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=342388#post342388 The Herald reports that Sky, TVNZ, MediaWorks and Lightbox have won their battle to restrict New Zealander's access to offshore streaming services.
New Zealand internet service providers offering customers "back door" access to streaming web content will stop offering those services from September in a deal cut with broadcasters who were…

]]> Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:47:21 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=339843#post339843 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=339843#post339843 The Internet Society of Australia suggests that geoblocking content should be banned under international trade treaties.
We believe that in negotiations over the Transpacific Partnership agreement Australia should insist on an end to geoblocking and a requirement, as part of the new international trading arrangements being introduced, that content supplied…

]]> Mon, 04 May 2015 18:21:34 +1200 llew40 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338842#post338842 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338842#post338842 Excellent piece on the economics of TV – makes for sobering reading

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/streaming-trouble-the-traditional-and-digital-tv-worlds-clash/article24015722/

]]> Mon, 20 Apr 2015 09:49:39 +1200 SteveH https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338793#post338793 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338793#post338793 Meanwhile elsewhere in the world, companies are actually going after the right targets:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/67845577/sony-lobbied-netflix-to-stop-aussie-vpn-users-leak-shows

]]> Sat, 18 Apr 2015 19:17:36 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338779#post338779 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338779#post338779 It's easy to imagine, given that precedent, that Netflix was unable to strike a reasonable deal for the show in this region.

Indeed...
The primary reason Netflix likely decided to move aside was the insanely large price tag Sony is asking. While they paid more than $500,000 per…

]]> Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:57:18 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338771#post338771 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338771#post338771 how do content creators actually get paid when their stuff is licensed

It depends on the relationship the content creators have negotiated with the rights-holders (producers or local broadcasters under our funding set-up), who negotiate with agents, who negotiate licensing with distributors like Netflix or TV networks.

As you'd imagine,…

]]> Sat, 18 Apr 2015 08:47:16 +1200 Dylan Reeve https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338763#post338763 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338763#post338763 Wow, just checked out Russell’s link here and was surprised-but-not-really to find NZ has the fewest available titles in the world!

Netflix has been in New Zealand for about a month. It takes time to negotiate rights for content. In many cases they'll have existing licensing deals in place that…

]]> Fri, 17 Apr 2015 23:50:47 +1200 Mark Sibly https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338749#post338749 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338749#post338749 Wow, just checked out Russell's link here and was surprised-but-not-really to find NZ has the fewest available titles in the world!

Also, just curious, but how do content creators actually get paid when their stuff is licensed to netflix? Lump sum? Per view?

And I assume content creators get a…

]]> Fri, 17 Apr 2015 17:12:16 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338743#post338743 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338743#post338743 Fri, 17 Apr 2015 15:43:56 +1200 Kim Robinson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338739#post338739 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338739#post338739 https://messagesent.wordpress.com/2015/04/17/human-rights-complaint-laid-against-the-big-4/ ]]> Fri, 17 Apr 2015 15:14:35 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338730#post338730 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338730#post338730 still talking about suing. ]]> Fri, 17 Apr 2015 14:26:49 +1200 Kim Robinson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338701#post338701 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338701#post338701 Thu, 16 Apr 2015 19:25:17 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338696#post338696 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338696#post338696 Welcome to the Haarp Valley Teepee PA...
simply sue the govt directly
more 'grist to your mill'*, sir
It can't happen here...
...can it?
well cigarette plain packaging maybe – and don't forget that people friendly French utilities company, Veolia (who also run Auckland's rail system) are still suing the…

]]> Thu, 16 Apr 2015 17:52:05 +1200 Kim Robinson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338687#post338687 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338687#post338687 One thing leads to another... unexpectedly.

https://messagesent.wordpress.com/2015/04/15/disability-access-being-threatened-by-major-nz-media-companies/

Very ironic that the Big 4 don't even offer captioning/audio descriptive content with their services.

The actions of the Big 4 has created the 'perfect flashpoint'...

]]> Thu, 16 Apr 2015 16:01:49 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338681#post338681 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338681#post338681 I don’t see why Spark et al don’t just sit back and wait for circumventing geo-blocking to become illegal.

Through some kind of deluded reasoning, I've wondered if the thinking could be that if they lose a court case then it creates more ammunition for lobbying the government about why…

]]> Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:00:15 +1200 Fraser Rolfe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338673#post338673 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338673#post338673 wait for circumventing geo-blocking to become illegal. And it won't be a case of VPN-wackamole with individual users – the big content creators will simply sue the govt directly (Investor-state dispute settlement).… ]]> Thu, 16 Apr 2015 13:48:06 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338613#post338613 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338613#post338613 Wonder what the TPP has to say about all this!

http://www.itsourfuture.org.nz/

and

http://www.itsourfuture.org.nz/faq-on-the-nz-korea-fta-and-the-leaked-chapter-from-the-tppa/
Wikileaks posted the almost completed investment chapter of the secretly negotiated TPPA from January 2015. It confirms the New Zealand government has capitulated to US demands, including on ISDS.

]]> Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:41:04 +1200 Mark Sibly https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338612#post338612 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338612#post338612 I mentioned the TPP because at one point there were rumours that parallel importing was 'up for negotiation'.

If parallel importing is prohibited – or even just limited somehow – then I guess it'd probably be the end of global mode too.

Frankly, being in the IP/software/tech industry, the TPP…

]]> Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:30:32 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338610#post338610 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338610#post338610 Wonder what the TPP has to say about all this!

That's another whole level of putting the interests of (US) rights-holders over NZ citizens and customers. Do we trust Groser, Key and McCully not to drop to their knees at the slightest hint of a farming trade-off or golf game?

]]> Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:17:19 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338608#post338608 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338608#post338608 bring it on. ]]> Wed, 15 Apr 2015 18:17:22 +1200 Mark Sibly https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338567#post338567 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338567#post338567 What I find really frustrating about the whole geo-blocking thing is that I can't legally (well I currently can, but that may change) pay to subscribe to services that show the stuff I want to see!

This means I can't financially support those services – is this 'lost opportunity' cost…

]]> Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:06:42 +1200 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338536#post338536 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338536#post338536 Interesting post about ratings

[edit] sorry, posted on the wrong thread. Reposted on the Campbell thread

]]> Wed, 15 Apr 2015 01:27:40 +1200 SteveH https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338533#post338533 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338533#post338533 they figure it’s cheaper to pressure the local ISPs than take on the might of Hollywood.

I think that's it. And taking on Hollywood might not work out even if they win – they could lose access to the content. A win against the ISPs would be pretty ineffectual as…

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 23:01:24 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338527#post338527 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338527#post338527 But it's Netflix (and others) that are breaching their contracts by selling content to users they are not permitted to sell to. Lightbox et al should be forcing the content owners to enforce their exclusive rights.

You'd think. Either this is a negotiating gambit or they figure it's cheaper to…

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:42:32 +1200 Dylan Reeve https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338526#post338526 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338526#post338526 It’s almost impossible to make a living as a musician in NZ. Does that mean we have less music? It doesn’t seem so.

Yes, and the basically unpaid content you can look to YouTube.

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:26:29 +1200 Dylan Reeve https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338522#post338522 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338522#post338522 I read Russell’s comment as meaning more: ‘it’s the one that is currently in use’ – rather than ‘works’… that seems to be a subjective view.

At this point there isn't really an alternative. The money is still all tied up in broadcast. Basically broadcasters pay a high premium for…

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:06:31 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338514#post338514 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338514#post338514 Those Aussies have our number...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np-gqrLTfQA
H/T Raymond McH

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 20:08:53 +1200 SteveH https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338504#post338504 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338504#post338504 That’s always been the case – Sky et al have been saying from the get go that it’s not about what people do with their internets at home, it’s about clarifying the rules of the game and therefore the true value of the exclusive rights that all those players have… ]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:06:15 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338492#post338492 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338492#post338492 it’s the one that currently works.
I read Russell’s comment as meaning more: ‘it’s the one that is currently in use’ – rather than ‘works’… that seems to be a subjective view.

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:40:48 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338491#post338491 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338491#post338491 we’d soon have a LOT less content to enjoy

It's almost impossible to make a living as a musician in NZ. Does that mean we have less music? It doesn't seem so.

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:16:11 +1200 Dylan Reeve https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338489#post338489 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338489#post338489 These comments are frustrating. Probably just as well I didn’t read this yesterday to get into arguments here.

I work in the TV industry – my livelihood and my family’s welfare are ultimately connected with the ability of the industry to function.

I also like TV, lots of which I…

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 14:50:17 +1200 David Zanetti https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338487#post338487 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338487#post338487 The idea that it’s these companies banding together to police the internet is a straw man erected and perpetuated by those with investments in the ‘global mode’ product/included feature (that is, Callplus et al).

Content providers and distributors have called for ISPs to be liable and/or "work with them" on…

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 14:43:46 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338486#post338486 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338486#post338486 The original post above is clear about the intent and targets of the legal action:

I don’t believe it’s fair or reasonable for content sellers to be regarded as responsible for the active promotion by others of services that avoid the constraints of the geographic rights they have sold.

Likewise…

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 14:41:14 +1200 Sam Durbin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338481#post338481 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338481#post338481 For starters, paras 12, 16-18 on this post, and the original release: http://tvnz.co.nz/tvnz-corporate-comms/nz-companies-respond-copyright-breaches-6276089

The idea that it’s these companies banding together to police the internet is a straw man erected and perpetuated by those with investments in the ‘global mode’ product/included feature (that is, Callplus et al).

Bit of a…

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 14:28:34 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338469#post338469 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338469#post338469 accuses media companies of protectionism, mentions lack of access options for disabled viewers. ]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 13:47:37 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338457#post338457 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338457#post338457 Sky et al have been saying from the get go that it’s not about what people do with their internets at home, it’s about clarifying the rules of the game and therefore the true value of the exclusive rights that all those players have paid for.

That was the line…

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:55:38 +1200 Sam Durbin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338435#post338435 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338435#post338435 Tue, 14 Apr 2015 10:26:27 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338433#post338433 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338433#post338433 Tue, 14 Apr 2015 10:20:54 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338432#post338432 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338432#post338432 undesirable characters lurking about...
Similarly, ’http://example.co.nz’ ought to exclude the trailing quote mark from the link, since the ’ character is not allowed in a URL.
Looks like it tries to process it though, link came up — albeit nonexistent – in chrome browser as: http://example.co.nz%27/

as an aside I…

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 10:13:39 +1200 llew40 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338431#post338431 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338431#post338431 Tue, 14 Apr 2015 10:09:52 +1200 John Rankin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338426#post338426 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338426#post338426
Supermodel can’t know what characters are meant to be in a URL

ah, ok

Not necesarily. It could make a reasonable assumption that if it reaches a character disallowed in a URL (typically: <>"{}|^`()[]'), then the URL has come to an end. In this case, the ) could reasonably be…

]]> Tue, 14 Apr 2015 09:54:35 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338410#post338410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338410#post338410 Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:07:53 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338409#post338409 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338409#post338409 Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:01:38 +1200 oga https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338405#post338405 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338405#post338405 Tue, 14 Apr 2015 05:24:27 +1200 JC Carter https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338402#post338402 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338402#post338402 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 22:21:44 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338400#post338400 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338400#post338400 the issue here is that the content owners are not providing Lightbox the exclusivity they promised, but Lightbox are unable or unwilling to try to enforce the contact they signed

Whereas you'll find the Lightbox CEO agreeing with us in her Media Take appearance, so the message has obviously got…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 22:01:12 +1200 SteveH https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338380#post338380 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338380#post338380 That says to me that they, at least, don’t really care very much about where their customers are.

Why would they? As with any unencumbered business they're happy to sell to anyone. The only reason they even do geoblocking is because the content owners force them to. But they're also…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 19:23:20 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338376#post338376 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338376#post338376 Weird yes but I wanted to.

Not that weird :-). I don't cricket much, but getting in the World Cup final is the kind of thing I might put a riveting afternoon at the office down for.

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:16:15 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338373#post338373 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338373#post338373 I assumed you meant taking the afternoon off to physically go to the ground and watch?

And I assumed that with online multi-player games there was some advantage in being among the first in?

But then, I don’t do sport (other than my annual ski trip), I don’t watch telly…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:59:22 +1200 Jarno van der Linden https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338371#post338371 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338371#post338371 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:41:09 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338366#post338366 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338366#post338366 I assumed you meant taking the afternoon off to physically go to the ground and watch?

Some people do that, but I'd say a heck of a lot more do it using the TV, which doesn't require being in the same town as the ground. However, I bet time shifting…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:13:05 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338365#post338365 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338365#post338365 1. don’t understand a new area of business
2. set up a flawed operation
3. get the government to bail us out
4. profit!

Remember Telecom T3G
and Novopay...

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:07:37 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338364#post338364 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338364#post338364 I assumed you meant taking the afternoon off to physically go to the ground and watch?

And I assumed that with online multi-player games there was some advantage in being among the first in?

But then, I don't do sport (other than my annual ski trip), I don't watch telly…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:55:15 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338361#post338361 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338361#post338361 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:44:16 +1200 bob daktari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338360#post338360 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338360#post338360 So much of the publicity and media coverage around the show seems to be as if there aren’t a bunch of books already out there which more or less explain what’s going to happen anyway.

the marketing of being able to watch a show the same time it airs in…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:43:00 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338359#post338359 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338359#post338359 I'll take that as a Yes. Fair enough and I withdraw what might have appeared to be judgement of anyone.

I think I'm just thrown by how massive the marketing is, including how it's managed to infiltrate MSM to the extent that it's an event to find out something which…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:39:23 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338356#post338356 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338356#post338356 I think that for those three events, they can only be done at the scheduled time.

No, only the soccer game has a fixed time. You can time shift the cricket, and you can definitely wait until the evening for the new WoW content. But you might not want to…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:34:14 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338355#post338355 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338355#post338355 These guys whole SOP –

1. don't understand a new area of business
2. set up a flawed operation
3. get the government to bail us out
4. profit!

Remember Telecom T3G?

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:33:18 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338352#post338352 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338352#post338352 I think that for those three events, they can only be done at the scheduled time. The telly is the same if you watch it now, tonight, next week or five years in the future.

(If you wait five years, it has the advantage that the hype is gone and…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:26:31 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338350#post338350 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338350#post338350 Do so many people really take GoT so seriously that they take time off work to watch it immediately on release?

No different to taking the afternoon off to watch cricket

Or to play WoW on the day they release new content

Or to go to your child’s first soccer…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:00:24 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338349#post338349 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338349#post338349 “Sky viewers rage as Game of Thrones’ NZ simulcast fails”

Okay, I know I'm not totally with it and that Sky shouldn't be excused for messing up something which it's blatantly used to pull in lots of subscribers, but...

Sky viewers who stayed home today to watch the first episode…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 14:56:53 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338344#post338344 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338344#post338344 Teensy weensy timely fail there, then.
Aye its a game of thorns, all right...

I can't help but feel that LightBox, Neon, etc are a bit like all those people rushing into setting up one hour photolabs – on the cusp of a major technology sea change...

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 14:41:51 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338342#post338342 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338342#post338342 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 14:35:23 +1200 Martin Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338341#post338341 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338341#post338341 "Sky viewers rage as Game of Thrones' NZ simulcast fails"
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11431915

Teensy weensy timely fail there, then.

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 14:28:49 +1200 JonathanM https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338338#post338338 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338338#post338338 Really the only way Lightbox et. al. can compete with Netflix US et. al. is to provide a better platform. That might include more local content. Or better presented and curated content. Or more convenient features in your apps (e.g. complete device transparency).

Add value and you'll get customers. Don't…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 14:21:47 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338337#post338337 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338337#post338337 Ah, yes, but...
The use of www is not required by any technical or policy standard and many web sites do not use it; indeed, the first ever web server was called nxoc01.cern.ch. According to Paolo Palazzi, who worked at CERN along with Tim Berners-Lee, the popular use of www…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 14:20:59 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338335#post338335 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338335#post338335 An ad from the page you linked to..
That name Key just won't go away eh?.
Also retains healthy profits.

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 14:11:53 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338331#post338331 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338331#post338331 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 14:05:36 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338329#post338329 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338329#post338329 sold to Australian telco M2 for $250 million. ]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:59:14 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338328#post338328 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338328#post338328 Fanfare for the commons, man...
http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_New_%E2%80%9CWater_Barons%E2%80%9D%3A_Wall_Street_Mega-Banks_are_Buying_up_the_World%E2%80%99s_Water__/43371/0/38/38/Y/M.html

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:59:12 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338327#post338327 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338327#post338327 IMHO, Tim-Berners Lee made a reasonable job of it in 1993,

And never claimed the IP.
Berners-Lee made his idea available freely, with no patent and no royalties due. The World Wide Web Consortium decided that its standards should be based on royalty-free technology, so that they could easily be…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:57:26 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338326#post338326 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338326#post338326 Enclosure is the real – and unmitigable – tragedy of the commons.

Very true and "The Tragedy of the Commons" is the analysis of the causes and effects of that.

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:50:15 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338323#post338323 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338323#post338323 It's because inventing markup that can be easily input by humans, allows markup special characters to be used as literals, and that is consistently unambiguous is a moderately hard problem.

IMHO, Tim-Berners Lee made a reasonable job of it in 1993, and most attempts at a simplified markup language will…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:46:45 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338321#post338321 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338321#post338321 Never seen that theory before Steve (oh what a sheltered life) – fascinating

This is why there is a copyright type called "creative commons"

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:43:00 +1200 Mikaere Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338319#post338319 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338319#post338319 Enclosure is the real – and unmitigable – tragedy of the commons. Artificial geographic rights zones are another form of enclosure (in this case, from the market, as opposed to the customary owners).

The real question the content delivery industry needs to be asking themselves is: “how can we deliver…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:41:31 +1200 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338318#post338318 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338318#post338318 Sky will always hold on to a non-tech and rural base here in NZ but Lightbox has feck all leverage and you wonder if Spark has really even understood the business it is getting into?

When has Telecom/Spark/Cat'sBum ever understood the business it's in, let alone the ones it has…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:41:13 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338317#post338317 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338317#post338317 Supermodel can’t know what characters are meant to be in a URL

ah, ok

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:39:38 +1200 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338316#post338316 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338316#post338316 You want to *clarify* it? So if the result is a clear “global mode is legal” then you won’t be appealing, or pushing for regulatory change because you’ll have that clarity, and that’s all you want?

Well put, young Edge.

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:37:09 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338315#post338315 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338315#post338315 it's a bug in how Supermodel *auto-converts* plain text to a URL.

Its not a bug its a function. (appologies to apple) ;-)
It is part of the HTTP protocol. If you were to allow the protocol to "guess" where the URL ends we would be in a right pickle…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:36:56 +1200 nzlemming https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338313#post338313 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338313#post338313 If by obsolete, you mean “the one that currently works”.

Except that it obiously is not working, or we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

[edit] Snap, Sacha

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:33:48 +1200 llew40 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338311#post338311 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338311#post338311 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:21:48 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338310#post338310 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338310#post338310 The Tragedy of the commons ]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:19:14 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338309#post338309 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338309#post338309 it’s a bug in how Supermodel *auto-converts* plain text to a URL.

No, Supermodel can't know what characters are meant to be in a URL. If you pasted the same string into a browser, that would be broken too.

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:16:47 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338308#post338308 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338308#post338308 This is quite a good source for looking at how complicated territorial rights make Netflix's business. What's on Netflix, where:

https://netflixaroundtheworld.com/

Point of interest: all 10 eps of Netflix's new production of Marvel's Daredevil turned up on Netflix NZ on Saturday – before they showed up on Netflix US!

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:15:03 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338307#post338307 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338307#post338307 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:14:39 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338303#post338303 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338303#post338303 yes, bit of a bug – you need to add an extra space between the link and the following character.

It's not a bug, it's how URLs work! :-)

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:09:31 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338302#post338302 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338302#post338302 But whether we like it or not, the reality of the content model today, put in place by content owners, is that premium video content is sold with geographic rights at very substantial prices. And often those geographic rights are a key part of the revenue model that allows that… ]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:06:18 +1200 Bill Bennett https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338300#post338300 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338300#post338300 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:54:37 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338299#post338299 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338299#post338299 including that closing bracket in the url link confuses the poor site-finding beast

yes, bit of a bug – you need to add an extra space between the link and the following character.

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:36:38 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338298#post338298 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338298#post338298 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:32:33 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338296#post338296 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338296#post338296 including that closing bracket in the url link confuses the poor site-finding beast
Congratulations Ian. Anyone capable of fixing a simple broken link like that could also set up a VPN with their eyes closed. ;-)

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:25:13 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338293#post338293 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338293#post338293 Global mode action: You Canute be serious (http://billbennett.co.nz/2015/04/03/global-mode-action-you-canute-be-serious/).

including that closing bracket in the url link confuses the poor site-finding beast
this is the link that works:
http://billbennett.co.nz/2015/04/03/global-mode-action-you-canute-be-serious/

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:19:04 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338292#post338292 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338292#post338292 Ergo, the rights that Sky, TVNZ, MediaWorks, and Lightbox pay for directly contribute to the ongoing production of content.

And then they charge me double or triple or ten times that. All for the privilege of buying from them what I could just as easily buy direct.

Sure I get…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:09:25 +1200 steve black https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338290#post338290 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338290#post338290 Flawed investments are not the responsibility of the consumer to cover.

Actually, I think they might be under the government corporate welfare policy, but that's another TPPish topic entirely. :-)

We're trailing edge adopters of technology here. My household implementation of SVOD is we go to Videon and hire a…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 12:08:16 +1200 Madchen Ross https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338287#post338287 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338287#post338287 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:58:24 +1200 Lucy Telfar Barnard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338286#post338286 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338286#post338286 What you’re talking about is what happens when people by-pass geoblocking – you might still pay Netflix or Hulu for that content, but they haven’t paid for the right to distribute it to you (being outside of America), meaning the revenue you provide them goes straight into their bottom line… ]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:57:49 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338285#post338285 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338285#post338285 Some of the costs are in aggregating licenses.

Sadly for the media industry, that part of the business model is also under threat – hence counter-moves like those under the TPP to beef up enforceability of rights. This local case is just part of the push-back. And can we trust…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:55:52 +1200 John Holley https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338283#post338283 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338283#post338283 It's not difficult, to access US content,. No VPN/software needed, just a change in A DNS settings.

Spark/telecom/gen-i has a history of being a late follower. They have based business cases on things like Lightbox and NZ Datacentres on some pretty flawed assumptions around the disruption UFB and offshore cloud…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:51:12 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338282#post338282 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338282#post338282 It’s our understanding the laws allowing parallel importing are about importing physical objects not digital services, so are not applicable – but this is another reason why the rules need to be sorted.
You undermine your own argument Kym when you say that you're fine with parallel importing, provided it…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:49:58 +1200 Bill Bennett https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338281#post338281 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338281#post338281 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:44:15 +1200 Sam Durbin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338280#post338280 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338280#post338280 You appear to be advancing an argument that the people who pay for content do not contribute to its production, which isn’t the case i’m afraid.

Content owners and creators auction the rights off in geographic chunks, the value of which is based on a variety of factors – market…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:43:13 +1200 Lucy Telfar Barnard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338279#post338279 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338279#post338279 But whether we like it or not, the reality of the content model today, put in place by content owners, is that premium video content is sold with geographic rights at very substantial prices.
…
Some are arguing that we are chasing the wrong people and that we should be…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:42:35 +1200 Bill Bennett https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338278#post338278 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338278#post338278 The Canute reference in the post is probably a reference to my story:

Global mode action: You Canute be serious (http://billbennett.co.nz/2015/04/03/global-mode-action-you-canute-be-serious/ ).

One problem I deal with there is that local media outlets have been sold an exclusive licence promise by the major studios that can’t (or won’t) deliver on…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:39:44 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338277#post338277 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338277#post338277 Surely they pay content licenses which in theory go to the creators (though more likely the producers)? That’s no different to what say Netflix US do.

As far as I can tell, I could buy from Netflix who pay the creators (the producers who pay the creators) and pay $X…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:36:54 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338274#post338274 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338274#post338274 maybe I should just roll my own

Wonder how many subscribers you’d need to sustain a niche operator that picks up open-source content or material the others don’t?

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:20:29 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338273#post338273 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338273#post338273 But for me, wanting to pay the creator, they just stole some of the creator’s money for no benefit.

Surely they pay content licenses which in theory go to the creators (though more likely the producers)? That's no different to what say Netflix US do. Local content would seem to…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:18:02 +1200 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338272#post338272 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338272#post338272 Kym: I'm all or paying for content – but what I wont do is pay two of you, twice, for content that is 95% the same – that's a waste of my money.

When you make an exclusive contract with a studio you are contracting away my choice, and I…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:15:00 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338271#post338271 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338271#post338271 For me as a consumer the question is pretty simple

How do I ensure that the money I pay to view, actually results in the creation of content I enjoy?

Back in the day local book distributors served a purpose, they got books to NZ that I would have no…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:09:10 +1200 wasabicube https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338269#post338269 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338269#post338269 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:56:31 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338268#post338268 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338268#post338268 When they show a return on their $35 million, perhaps then you could argue that the model had worked. Until that time, I’d suggest they’re wandering into TiVo and Igloo territory without an up-to-date map.

I meant the existing territorial rights model for global TV distribution, which is currently still…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:45:42 +1200 wasabicube https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338267#post338267 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338267#post338267 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:35:17 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338266#post338266 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338266#post338266 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:27:43 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338265#post338265 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338265#post338265 True, that’s conflating production and distribution. Even Netflix US, etc, aren’t producing much of the content they distribute.

The interesting thing is that they're increasingly in direct competition with HBO, which continues to produce plenty of TV, including some of the defining television of its era. What HBO is facing…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:26:32 +1200 sumware https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338264#post338264 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338264#post338264 So you took a gamble that paying squillions for geoblocked, outdated content was worth it?

Big Media Companies to Lightbox: "You can buy our old content, but we will keep the recent stuff for now."

What a great deal. Let's protect that....not.

For what it's worth, I'm signed up to…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:26:07 +1200 Peter Darlington https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338263#post338263 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338263#post338263 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:15:49 +1200 David Zanetti https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338262#post338262 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338262#post338262 Even Netflix US, etc, aren't producing much of the content they distribute

There was a time in the US when cable channels didn't produce much content, but just distributed someone else's.

Now they dominate the Emmy awards and are more than a serious contender for content. The same eventually will…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:14:19 +1200 RuralJohnny https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338261#post338261 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338261#post338261 Whilst you say The world of entertainment is changing rapidly. We are on board with that and that’s why we’ve established our own internet-based servicesit does not appear that you are on board with the changes that put customers first.

Instead, it appears that you are on board with an…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:12:30 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338260#post338260 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338260#post338260 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:04:38 +1200 Glenn Pearce https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338258#post338258 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338258#post338258 Either

1. Eventually 1 (or 2) dominant providers will evolve thru consolidation (or failure of the weak)

or

2. The price will be driven lower and lower until (see 1. above)

In the meantime, shambles

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:03:46 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338257#post338257 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338257#post338257 will be less likely to invest in future content for NZ consumers

We don't need them to. We can happily buy and use the content that US, British and Canadian consumers do, at the prices they do. Why would we want to have our own special sleepy hollow service with…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:59:44 +1200 Graeme Edgeler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338256#post338256 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338256#post338256 That is why these four competing companies want to clarify the questionable legality of GlobalMode.

You want to *clarify* it? So if the result is a clear "global mode is legal" then you won't be appealing, or pushing for regulatory change because you'll have that clarity, and that's all you…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:57:49 +1200 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338255#post338255 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338255#post338255 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:56:33 +1200 llew40 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338254#post338254 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338254#post338254 And I also wonder if Mr Nyblock (who would be better named Mt Wantablock)

FYI, its Ms Niblock

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:46:33 +1200 bob daktari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338252#post338252 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338252#post338252 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:45:34 +1200 Deborah https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338251#post338251 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338251#post338251 lightbox is a pretty crappy service since most people will not be able to watch it on their TV.

We've got it linked up via a Playstation app, so it's pretty easy to sort out from there. I've just signed up for Neon (because Game of Thrones), and linked our…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:45:03 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338250#post338250 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338250#post338250 Why does having or not having “any technical know-how” make a difference?
It acts a de facto barrier that providers can use to increase the perceived value of their services. Of course, that’s a risky strategy when a newer technology or service comes along and drops that barrier.

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:39:25 +1200 Glenn Pearce https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338249#post338249 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338249#post338249 It's a no brainer for the 4 companies involved really. If they win then they have exclusive rights for the content they have purchased and then have the law behind them playing whack a mole with the VPN providers.

If they lose the case then they can argue for lower…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:39:24 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338248#post338248 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338248#post338248 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:37:35 +1200 Michael Homer https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338245#post338245 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338245#post338245 Our concern is [...] access[ing] content without needing any technical know-howThe attitude behind this kind of statement is troubling to me. Why does having or not having "any technical know-how" make a difference? ]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:29:30 +1200 Martin Connelly https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338244#post338244 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338244#post338244 Am so sorry for you that you are having this trouble preserving your monopoly. NOT!!!
As it happens, lightbox is a pretty crappy service since most people will not be able to watch it on their TV. Watching something on a computer is not my idea of relaxed fun. But…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:24:28 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338242#post338242 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338242#post338242 and in breaking bad news...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/67705511/First-four-episodes-of-Game-of-Thrones-season-five-leaked-online

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:12:15 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338239#post338239 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338239#post338239 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:02:26 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338238#post338238 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338238#post338238 Thanks, Kim. You said:

VPNs and other services do have legitimate uses for individuals and it’s not for us to decide when use is legitimate and when it’s not.

Our concern is that NZ companies like Callplus, who have paid nothing for content, are actively promoting a commercial service which…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 09:00:05 +1200 David Zanetti https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338237#post338237 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338237#post338237 The use of IP extends to works of art, photographs, architects house designs, newspaper articles and so on.

.. and the parallel import laws make clear, mere importation of IP is not in and of itself a violation of the rights within. Even if people think they have exclusive rights…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 08:58:17 +1200 Steve Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338234#post338234 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338234#post338234 I think there is a bit of confusion over why IP isnt the same as goods, which gets to the heart of why software, movies music etc isnt the same as Armani jeans.

When you buy a DVD it is a license to use, under certain terms and conditions. When…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 08:49:11 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338232#post338232 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338232#post338232 I think I've spotted your problem. Your business model is obsolete.

If by obsolete, you mean "the one that currently works".

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 08:43:47 +1200 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338230#post338230 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338230#post338230 Mon, 13 Apr 2015 08:36:03 +1200 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338229#post338229 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338229#post338229 That’s fine for consumers, but it undermines the rights model that content creation is currently based on.

I think I've spotted your problem. Your business model is obsolete.

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 08:15:41 +1200 David Zanetti https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338228#post338228 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338228#post338228 But whether we like it or not, the reality of the content model today, put in place by content owners, is that premium video content is sold with geographic rights at very substantial prices

If you replace "content owners" with "intellectual property owners", then you have exactly what parallel importing…

]]> Mon, 13 Apr 2015 08:06:36 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338227#post338227 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-we-dont-make-the-rules-were-just/?p=338227#post338227 Discussion from blog post.

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