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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						Me too. Graeber waiting cos I'm enjoying Jane Higgs YA novels first. And she pops up in Roger too...
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2015 23:46:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>And mebbe read Roger Ruth and Me. Quick read, only $4 for the kindle version...</q><br />Ah thanks, that was easy. What with Rich of Observationz's David Graeber recommendation that's two trips to Amazon just from this thread.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2015 22:39:06 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>Ask the questions. Own the change.</q></p><p>And mebbe read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ruth-Roger-Me-Debts-Legacies-ebook/dp/B00WLP5NH2" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Roger Ruth and Me</a>. Quick read, only $4 for the kindle version, articulate, angry and thoughtful, and you can help pay off a student loan.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2015 22:08:23 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Re the generational warfare that seems to have become the topic of this thread: it is infuriating when an older generation fall back on laziness as the explanation for young people not being able to afford housing.<br />...</p><p>"Being blase about the current situation really seems like a big 'fuck…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2015 21:39:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>The smart arses that preach about “hard work”, about “saving”, and about them having made it a few decades ago, they conveniently ignore, that we have a totally different situation on the real estate market. It was not that hard to climb the housing ladder in the 1960s, 1970s and…</q>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2015 21:24:11 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Marc C</title>
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						<p><em>I want politicians who refuse to play that game; who make their principles clear and don’t contradict themselves trying to please the media or the clueless ‘floating voter’, who usually doesn’t vote anyway (or who, inevitably, decides to vote for Winston at the last moment).</em></p><p>Thanks for your refreshing comment…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2015 17:38:46 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sam Bradford</title>
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						To go back to the original point of the article: it bothers me that you say 'perception is reality in politics'.  That's defeatist.  The media is the missing piece of the analysis; now that 'disunited Labour' is a trope, they will flog it regardless of what actually happens (eg Paddy…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:41:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						(Joe, you beat me to the link :-)
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				<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2015 12:31:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Flaxmere is being slowly bulldozed to make way for vineyards and erased from the lexicon. </q></p><p>There's still <a href="http://www.hastingsdc.govt.nz/plans-pirate-ship-replacement" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Splash Planet</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:58:03 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>Interesting stuff Tom, though I’m mildly disappointed to find no mention of Flaxmere</q></p><p>Flaxmere never existed. It’s been erased and quietly forgotten, like a third world shanty town that offended the sensibilities of the local nobs who peddle Hawkes Bay to the like minded for it’s “lifestyle”. Originally built on…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:43:54 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>Personally, I am going to vote against the local government equivalent of being tied to a corpse and thrown into Hawkes Bay.</q><br />Interesting stuff Tom, though I'm mildly disappointed to find no mention of Flaxmere.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:23:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>I'd recommend reading David Graeber The utopia of rules on this subject.</q><br />Thanks for the heads up. His <a href="http://libcom.org/library/phenomenon-bullshit-jobs-david-graeber" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">On the phenomenon of bullshit jobs</a> has been something of a landmark piece for me and others. I've been rather surprised &ndash; and heartened &ndash; by the sometimes unlikely people who continue…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:19:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>one thing that troubled me was his use of the Napier/Hastings merger issue, where the more numerous and wealthier Napier doesn’t want a bar of merging with the less numerous and poorer Hastings.</q></p><p>Hastings district has a bigger population than Napier and includes posh Havelock North and much of the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:43:42 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>In 1979, it was widely predicted that automation would reduce work and result in a leisured society, where people worked a 3 or 4 day week.</p><p>Instead, automation took away some of the industrial jobs, while in many other cases the labour cost was just reduced, onshore or offshore -…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Thinking that everyone should work for a living IS a communist ideal. They had a real problem with idlers. Most especially the idle rich who not only don’t have to work, but also have a higher standard of living than workers.</q></p><p>Hell, the Soviets likely sent ‘bludgers’ to the Siberian…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2015 00:14:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>It’s simply part of living in a functioning society. If people don’t want to live in an actual functioning society then they are welcome to pull up a deserted island and Bear Grylls the rest of their life.</q></p><p>Or for that matter, living behind razor wires and concrete barriers, and…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2015 00:12:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Thinking that everyone should work for a living IS a communist ideal. They had a real problem with idlers. Most especially the idle rich who not only don't have to work, but also have a higher standard of living than workers. While I don't agree with them about the sanctity…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 23:53:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Yamis</title>
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						<p><q>I simply don’t believe that welfare recipients have a right to the same standard of living as people that work for their living.</q></p><p>Boogie man stuff. I teach the children of people on benefits.  By the dozen.  They don't live anywhere near the same standard of those who work for…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						but I doubt either of them had much say on strategy
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Fair enough. So who is responsible for the party’s obvious and ongoing lack of strategic nous for many years now? President, Secretary, Board, Caucus Leader, Caucus, Chief of Staff?</q></p><p>In particular, Mike Munro and Heather Simpson left some big shoes to fill after they left.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Fair enough. So who is responsible for the party's obvious and ongoing lack of strategic nous for many years now? President, Secretary, Board, Caucus Leader, Caucus, Chief of Staff?
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p><q>name the back office Labour peeps who are bastions of competence. Go on.</q></p><p>I'll not name those that I particularly regard as such, but there's a number, Salmond is definitely one of them. That said, their specific influence will always be limited relative to Caucus, Leadership and the broader membership…</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<p><q>And then party leadership has carried on talking about things like, well, housing and the future of work and the like.</q></p><p>Point well made Deborah. I had noticed, and entirely support, the close attention to the future of work and also the debate on housing. I guess my lens on…</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						Again: no one's arguing that they're gonna get a weekly cleaner to do their bathrooms and twice-yearly beachside holidays in Rarotonga. We're talking about not getting rheumatic fever and not feeling like every week it's a choice between bread and milk and the electricity bill. Do you really think "welfare…
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				<title>keeaa</title>
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						<p>So you believe that if you lose your job and can't find another one for some time, or if you get too sick to work for a long period, the health and welfare of you and your children should suffer?</p><p>And don't tell me you have provided for just such…</p>
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				<title>Pharmachick</title>
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						I simply don't believe that welfare recipients have a right to the same standard of living as people that work for their living.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>making sure all people in a society have access to warm homes and affordable food </q></p><p>sounds excellent to me</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						But how is making sure all people in a society have access to warm homes and affordable food suddenly "communism"? No one in this thread was advocating abolishing private property.
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q> a “solicitor’s loan”</q></p><p>Where a solicitor arranged for their cash-rich clients to lend money to ones that needed a mortgage, in essence acting as a more-or-less unregulated bank.</p><p>This then morphed into finance companies, which then collapsed. Because you don't need regulation by the government, oh no sir.</p><p>For the…</p>
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				<title>Pharmachick</title>
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						Thanks for that, I thought the cartoon was directly aimed at me &ndash; see my reply to Moz to clarify about "winning" ...not the Charlie Sheen type :-)
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				<title>Pharmachick</title>
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						Sorry for going missing yesterday (work). I think communism is a failed ideology because (1) humans are not perfect enough to all settle for begin equal [so some try to be "more equal than others" H/T Orwell) and (2) I worry that communism doesn't promote excellence in all, but tends…
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						Okay Fraser, that was really funny! I laughed. And you're probably right.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>One small point – to the best of my recollection, Government policy up until the early 70s restricted banks to making loans only for new housing. </q></p><p>Yup. But there were workarounds. Banks aren't the only ones who can lend money. My folks spoke of some mysterious substance called a "solicitor's…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q> But it sounds like he picked himself up and kept going. </q></p><p>That wasn't really the point I was trying to make. It was more that he followed the path so often lauded as this great thing by firm believers in capitalism, to take risks in investments. He had bad luck,…</p>
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				<title>fraser munro</title>
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						true &ndash; but trying to be the love child of tony blair and a blue suit (with a red tie) wont do it either
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>Re. “aspired” – I’m sure Paula Bennett’s case manger was trained to gaze into her eyes to detect any lurking flicker of entitlement. Finding only the pure light of aspiration, her ticket out of munterville was given the deserving stamp of approval.</q></p><p>The Paula Bennetts of this world are deluded…</p>
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						<q>Indeed. Of late Labour has been talking about housing and the future of work, and the major response to the formation of “Progress” has been to say, “Oh, that’s interesting. Labour is a broad church.” And then party leadership has carried on talking about things like, well, housing and the…</q>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						I bought a small cottage by the ocean (Waitati, Dunedin) in 1980 for $8,500 &ndash; took me 3 years to pay it off (would have been sooner but my car was stolen during the '81 tour, cops weren't all that interested in finding it) &ndash; it had an outside bathroom…
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<q>I'm not sure my parents *aspired* to anything at that point. They were creative free spirited individuals who left university in the late '60s with no debt into a society with close to full employment where buying a huge rambling victorian villa was just part of that next lentil and…</q>
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				<title>Samuel Scott</title>
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						<p><q>I don’t understand why anyone thinks they’re *entitled* to a house in Herne Bay or Khandallah right out of School/Uni. Our parents *aspired* to that and worked their way up the ladder.</q></p><p>Hehe, my mum bought a 6 bedroom giant victorian mansion on the cliffs above Freeman's Bay when she…</p>
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						agreed. and he had the good grace after the election to admit he got it wrong.
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						<p><q>I can’t help but think the moment Labour starts talking about Labour it could be talking about something else.</q></p><p>Indeed.  Of late Labour has been talking about housing and the future of work, and the major response to the formation of "Progress" has been to say, "Oh, that's interesting.  Labour…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>the back office Labour peeps who are bastions of competence.</q></p><p>Rob Salmond I reckon. YMMV :)</p>
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						<p>tis not all dead wood, <br />some is fresh stoopid.</p>
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						<p><q>important champions of whatever</q></p><p>woo</p>
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						he was way cool, apparently
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						name the back office Labour peeps who are bastions of competence. Go on.
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				<title>Katharine Moody</title>
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						<p>Our two major parties are globalists &ndash; following this ideology;</p><p><a href="http://www.rmit.edu.au/media/public-site-media-production/documents-to-be-sorted/documents/pdf/ideologiesofglobalizationes4cefpg6ifj1/es4cefpg6ifj1.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.rmit.edu.au/media/public-site-media-production/documents-to-be-sorted/documents/pdf/ideologiesofglobalizationes4cefpg6ifj1/es4cefpg6ifj1.pdf</a></p><p>It's really interesting to look for those parties that out rightly deny one or more of those six core claims. They are the real challengers of the status quo.</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						I can't help but think the moment Labour starts talking about Labour it could be talking about something else.
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				<title>Jack Harrison</title>
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						Aye, public service, strange latin words.
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>    I don’t believe in communism</p><p>Think of it as enlightened self-interest</q></p><p>If Marx were to drag himself out of his crypt, he'd probably look at our public education, pulic health, and social security and mutter- 'we won!" <br />Or he might have a few decades back. Now public services and welfare…</p>
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				<title>Jack Harrison</title>
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						<p>Stalin and Mao didn’t believe in communism either.</p><p>Jesus was a communist. Respect.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>I don’t believe in communism</q></p><p>Think of it as enlightened self-interest, then.  Every child whose education is hampered by hunger, or who suffers a poverty-related disease will be a drain on the public purse for decades.</p><p>In South Auckland, we're already facing a public-health time bomb that was [[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=12367|set ticking in…</p>
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				<title>Jack Harrison</title>
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						<p>And then there is our democracy house reality.</p><p>It's a one seat majority parliament. The "Parties who know National are a pack of rich elitist banking men terrified of the real common man and woman, feral as they are " need two more seats. Two more seats. </p><p>More people vote…</p>
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				<title>Marc C</title>
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						<p>Labour have a number of problems, and besides of the perception in the public that they have been too divided, they also have a credibility problem.</p><p>We only need to look at the social security policy area to find hypocrisy. What Labour MPs say during debates and question time in…</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>dead wood is</q></p><p>Deadwood who?<br /><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBMsXcSTi4s" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBMsXcSTi4s</a></p>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						Unfortunately the people you think are incompetents who should move on will be people who many others would see as important champions of whatever. It's a universal rule that everyone wants to get rid of the dead wood but very few people agree on what, specifically, the dead wood is.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>What this comes down to is a lack of strategy and skills</q></p><p>Yes. If Labour can't perform basic backroom strategy and comms functions, no amount of shuffling frontpeople will make a difference. Shunning or undermining your likely coalition partners is also not something voters ignore.</p><p>If only the incompetent would…</p>
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				<title>tony j ricketts</title>
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						and to get back to Stuart Nash &ndash;  one thing that troubled me was his use of the Napier/Hastings merger issue, where the more numerous and wealthier Napier doesn't want a bar of merging with the less numerous and poorer Hastings. Even then, it took the intervention of Garth McVicar…
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				<title>KathrynB</title>
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						<p>'Dirty Politics' also had a role is fostering a  sense that Labour were not united and were incompetent, although I do think there was some basis for the disunity claim.</p><p>From February 2014 there were anti-Cunliffe stories all over the MSM. Some, like the Donghua Liu story were clear examples…</p>
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				<title>tony j ricketts</title>
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						<p><q> more moderate Labour voters &ndash; who, IMHO have left in droves as the hard left has become a bit strong within the party.</q></p><p>Is it Labour voters who have left, or Labour Party members? If the 'hard left' have become strong within the party it's because the soft left have…</p>
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				<title>Kirk Serpes</title>
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						I think we need to be careful with looking at the polling and focus group data superficially. Especially when referring to the concept of "Unity."  As Rob as said perception of disunity was a bigger issue than the lack of unity itself.  And that points to a successful attack by…
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						<p><q>This isn’t a damn game. It’s not about winning and losing. Its about figuring out how everyone can live a really good life together.</q></p><p>That is exactly how I feel, Bert.  I want every child born in this country to have a warm, secure place to live and to have…</p>
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						<p><q> the hard left has become a bit strong within the party </q></p><p>What do you consider "hard left"? What qualities does the "hard left" have? What policies does it support?</p><p>I ask because I consider Labour a pointlessly wishy-washy party who have incrementally third-wayed themselves rightward into nothingness. I am mildly…</p>
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						<p><q>Your reply to #5 is just insulting.</q></p><p>The one about the cartoon, or the one about the ‘normal rules’? Or both? I wasn't directing my comments at you personally, I was referring to the wider issue of the "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">just world</a>" fallacy.</p>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>I don't believe in communism</q></p><p>You don't think it exists, or you think that it's the only political system that can help disadvantaged people?</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>I don’t believe in communism</q></p><p>Good for you. It pretty much failed as a political ideology.</p><p>Do you however, believe that there is no value in helping those who are struggling?</p><p>What I'm describing is that the idea of winning and losing in society is inherently wrong. Things that harm…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p><q>I hope this isn’t going to develop into a case of</p><p>Progress is to Labour as ACT is to National</p><p>with parties running a two brand strategy.</q></p><p>I thought Mana and Labour could work like that &ndash; Mana proposing what (many in) Labour <em>really</em>  wanted to do, pushing the envelope,…</p>
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						I don't believe in communism
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						<q>Your reply to #5 is just insulting. I am not going to give you my life history (mostly because its one of your business), but I could equally cry “bad small NZ town, broken home, abusive father” etc. That attitude is complete BS in the face of a determined approach…</q>
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				<title>steve black</title>
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						<p>I hope this isn't going to develop into a case of</p><p>Progress  is to Labour as ACT  is to National</p><p>with parties running a two brand strategy.</p>
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						Ummm does anybody here actually read the posts. I said people need to learn how to pick themselves up when they "lose". It was in quotation marks. Meaning that a personal/professional loss is just that  it doesn't make any individual person a loser. God, you guys are a tough crowd.…
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						Your reply to #5 is just insulting. I am not going to give you my life history (mostly because its one of your business), but I could equally cry "bad small NZ town, broken home, abusive father" etc. That attitude is complete BS in the face of a determined approach…
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						<p><q>Only if you perceive life as some kind of grammar school sporting event</q></p><p>Brilliantly put. I wish I'd thought of that, but now you point it out I think you're absolutely right.</p>
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						<q>(5) There are winners and losers in life. I have been both a winner and a loser in my time. Learn this. learn how to pick yourself up when you “lose” and don’t throw a hissy fit (well, not for more than the “allowable 24 hr pity party”) then go…</q>
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						<p><q>There are winners and losers in life.</q></p><p>Only if you perceive life as some kind of grammar school sporting event.</p><p>It isn't. Those "losers" are actually human beings. They have children, who themselves have the intellectual and physical potential to create and love and contribute to the "wealth" of everyone.…</p>
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						<p><q>There are winners and losers in life. Learn how to pick yourself up when you "lose" and don't throw a hissy fit</q></p><p>If only I had some aspirational figures to look up to  in the "not throwing a hissy fit when you lose" department.</p><p>Unfortunately right now I have people…</p>
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						<p><q>Really? That’s very cool!!!</q></p><p>Yup. They did work very hard, that I freely admit. But there was also a tremendous amount of luck involved in choosing St Mary's Bay, which went meteoric, and then Herne Bay, which is now the most expensive suburb in NZ. This on top of secure…</p>
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						<p><q>(1) Not everyone can afford to live in Auckland. Get over it and move where the work is. I have done this multiple times in my life out of necessity, <br />(2) I don’t understand why anyone thinks they’re *entitled* to a house in Herne Bay or Khandallah right out of…</q></p>
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						<p><q>Once again, this Puddlegum blog article begs the question: did Labour really lose votes to National, given the Nats’ actual number of votes barely changed, or did Labour lose votes to the “missing million”?</q></p><p>Data doesn't lie, only the people interpreting data lie.</p><p>The data indicate that for some reason…</p>
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						<p>Also, I'm not whining on my own account. I'm wealthy, by most standards. Free education, good job, etc. Not as rich as my parents, who got the full force of the largesse given out to the baby boomer middle classes, granted.</p><p>And I'd rather today's young people were looked after…</p>
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						<p><q> The tradies with those V8 pickups are the business owners (and the truck is probably on credit)</q></p><p>Yeah, but a lot of tradies are sole traders. As in, the business owner is the worker. It's not an especially high aspiration that after learning the trade, one can contract out. </p><p>But…</p>
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						Really? That's very cool!!!
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						I know a self-employed Plumber in [small town NZ] that makes 120K after costs.
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						<p><q>) I don’t understand why anyone thinks they’re *entitled* to a house in Herne Bay or Khandallah right out of School/Uni. Our parents *aspired* to that and worked their way up the ladder.</q></p><p>Well…actually, my Dad bought his house in Herne Bay when he was at Uni. I’ve got photos…</p>
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						<p><q>do yo know what plumbers earn?</q><br /><a href="http://www.careers.govt.nz/jobs/construction/plumber-gasfitter-and-drainlayer/about-the-job" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">$60k a year, tops</a></p><p>People conflate what a company charges for trade services with what the worker earns (this applies as much to professionals like dentists &ndash; I'm quite glad IT people mostly don't do work for consumers). The tradies with those V8 pickups…</p>
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						<p><q> ‘inability to form a government’</q></p><p>Given their perceived inability to talk to each other that seems a fairly obvious corollary.</p>
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						<p>No harm, no foul kiddo.  </p><p>Also, your points about being unemployed after Uni etc are well taken (and the ridiculous rent thing too). To address those points I would say the following: <br />(1) Not everyone can afford to live in Auckland. Get over it and move where the work is.…</p>
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						<q> So I was hoping this group of people, although what they’re currently saying won’t be popular within Labour, might at least start a debate and bring back some more moderate Labour voters – who, IMHO have left in droves as the hard left has become a bit strong within the…</q>
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						Sorry :-)
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						<q>It’s been noted by others that Key could easily fit into the Democratic Party of the US, because the Government he runs is well within its mainstream. Liberal, but not ahead of public opinion, and willing to spend to rectify problems in society. His Government is probably to the left…</q>
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						Of the two Labour Christchurch rebuild spokespeople who were appointed post Lianne Dalziel's sidelining and eventual departure, Clayton Cosgrove has gone missing and Ruth Dyson barely puts her head above the parapet. Now we have <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/69382563/canterbury-earthquake-repair-survey-a-whitewash" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this blatant stitch-up</a>, while the Party of Social Justice oils up for a fresh round…
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						<p><q>Assuming, of course, they can make the step from discussing policy directions to clearly presenting policies.</q></p><p>yes, well</p>
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						No, I'm not Josie. I've been around for a while (although I'd never have guessed 2009 &ndash; where does the time go!). I read the posts and comments here far more often than I write/reply and usually have to feel pretty strongly about something to reply. In this case, I'd…
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						<p><q> <em>Well, Josie (?)</em></p><p>don’t be mean</q></p><p>Quite. It was a good-faith comment.</p>
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						<p><q>It certainly smells like a faction of the disaffected from over here. I’ve been told Nash polled on running as an independent in the last election, before deciding to stay with Labour.</q></p><p>And then <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503462&amp;objectid=11364051" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">had a big whine about being left out of Little’s caucus rankings altogether</a>. He has a higher…</p>
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						<p><q>Well, Josie (?)</q></p><p>don't be mean</p>
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						<p><q>Most Millenials don’t’ even know what it means.</q></p><p>Well, Josie (?)</p><p>It means having to pay $250 a week for a room in a slum miles from anywhere.<br />It means working three years for a degree and getting a job in a supermarket.<br />Or leaving school with good NCEAs and…</p>
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						Yes, I agree this parallel process thing isn't the best way of going about it. But seriously, Labour isn't getting any traction right now &ndash; cant hurt any worse than e.g. Trevor's Moa gaffe?  So maybe will attract some new eyes and votes. Also, with respect, I think the whole…
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						<p>The policies of this faction are far from new. Tired 80s/90s neolib nonsense.</p><p>What irks me most is rather than engage with their party's existing policy and candidate development processes, they are trying to set up their own parallel ones as if the rules do not apply to them. That's…</p>
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						I think that it would  be a real pity if Labour dismissed this new group out of hand. Sure, they're ruffling feathers, but at least they are trying to roll out some new policies and ideas to talk to the electorate about. Right now, Labour needs to re-attract the swing…
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						<q>When people in focus groups reported having voted Labour in the past, but reported planning to vote National in 2014, they were often asked: “why have you changed your mind?” In response, issues of unity, backstabbing, in fighting, and so on came up immediately, spontaneously, and repeatedly. Sitting behind the…</q>
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						<p><q>There’s a reasonable degree of coherence in Labour at the moment, driven by a recognition that it’s a centre-left party that will advocate for a degree of regulation in most sectors of society, and a considerable redistribution of resources from the top to the middle and bottom.</q></p><p>Also, the cyclical…</p>
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						<p>There is no way around the basic problem: perceptions of Labour MPs are longstanding, because the MPs are longstanding. Or sitting.</p><p>Nobody will ever think differently (better, or worse) about Goff, King, Mallard, Dyson, etc. All the reviews in the world won't change that. Goff's reinvention in 2011 didn't work,…</p>
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						<p><q>another voice promoting positions left of the current government is a good thing</q></p><p>I don't really see how the attitudes of Pagani and Quin are left of the current government. They're just people (like Shane Jones, who already jumped ship) who are basically Tories, but came from a background where…</p>
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						<p>The other major perceptual issue that Labour and other parties had was the ‘inability to form a government’. You have to be able to get to that line to start to present a ‘stable’ and ‘positive’ government, and that was sorely lacking.</p><p>What the ‘Progress’ faction would do is to…</p>
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						<p>It certainly smells like a faction of the disaffected from over here. I’ve been told Nash polled on running as an independent in the last election, before deciding to stay with Labour.</p><p>There’s a reasonable degree of coherence in Labour at the moment, driven by a recognition that it’s a…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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