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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=11125373" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The plot thickens</a>, with confirmation that Joyce "persuaded would-be participants in a campaign fighting for lower internet prices not to take part."<br />Various big-name organisations withdrew support after speaking with Joyce, which "[he] takes that to mean the campaign tends to fall apart whenever the other view has a chance to…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						None of that changes the reality that UFB is a useless place to do fibre tapping because it's still a strand per connection, and back-haul from exchanges and cabinets has been multiplexed over fibre for longer than the FTTH discussion has been happening seriously in this country.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:29:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Your entire conspiracy delusion falls apart at that point.</q></p><p>Unless...<br /><a href="http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-federal-03/bh-fed-03-gross-up.pdf " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> ComputerWorld April 2003<br />Tapping fiber optic cable without being detected,</a> <q>....and making<br />sense of the information you collect, certainly isn't trivial, but<br />has been done for the past seven or eight years<br />Gartner Group </q><br />It makes sense then…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2013 21:58:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>I did , however, come up with a likely beneficiary, the GCSB.<br />It is much easier to intercept a multiplexed data stream over fibre than to have to tap in to all those strands of copper.</q></p><p>You do know that the trunks have been fibre for a decade or more,…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:50:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>Think about uploading. Better still, think about real-time hi-def video-conferencing that’s as good as being across the table from someone you’re dealing with.</q></p><p>Don't think so. We all know Deals are done behind closed doors, why would you do it over a video link with all five eyes watching your…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:11:57 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p>Whoop-de-do. Wouldn't a bankrupt Chorus be cheaper to buy back by a Labour-led Govt?</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9162643/PM-has-questions-about-Chorus-future" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">PM has questions about Chorus' future</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2013 23:37:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>downloading</q></p><p>Think about uploading. Better still, think about real-time hi-def video-conferencing that's as good as being across the table from someone you're dealing with.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2013 19:49:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>But Wait... <a href="http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/government-standards-agency-strongly-suggests-dropping-its-own-encryption-standard/ " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> There's More...</a><br /><q>As ProPublica, The New York Times, and The Guardian reported last week, documents provided by Edward Snowden suggest that the NSA has heavily influenced the standard, which has been used around the world. In its statement Tuesday, the NIST acknowledged that the NSA participates…</q></p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>When national launched the UFB project to great fanfare and telling us all that it will deliver us a "Better Future" I had my doubts.<br />For a start, I had just gone from a wireless setup courtesy of Woosh, to a proper ADSL line and was more than happy running…</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>I think that if Chorus made a such low bid to get the contract so they could form their monopoly there's no call for them crying foul when it turns out they bid too little it was their choice. </p><p>Here in Dunedin they own the old gas mains, they got…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:59:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<p><q>There's just been no sense to the roll-out</q></p><p>Absolutely. It's been a shambles. In the course of my day job, I've looked at the Chorus records of about 300 Auckland addresses in the last month to see which services (ADSL, VDSL, UFB) are available, and probably three quarters don't have…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2013 11:33:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>And a petrol tax go into the govt consolidated fund.</q></p><p>Not for years. Road taxes were hypothecated by Labour somewhere around 2002.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>if you can’t water it, their Minister is not interested</q></p><p>That's because their minister knows first-hand how important it is to be watered ;)</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>they are building out the fibre completely around my neighbourhood at the moment – they’ll get to me some time in 2016 apparently</q></p><p>I live in Ellerslie, which is firmly in the middle of the old Auckland City Council boundaries, moderately affluent, and generally ought to be well-served by fibre.…</p>
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				<title>John Small</title>
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						The calculations are at the back of the Covec report, which is here:  <a href="http://www.covec.co.nz/pdf/Covec_Telco_Act_Review_Economic_Issues.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.covec.co.nz/pdf/Covec_Telco_Act_Review_Economic_Issues.pdf</a>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 13 Sep 2013 06:27:37 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>And a petrol tax go into the govt consolidated fund. This isn't a tax, it's govt sponsored price fixing for the benefit of a business and not the govt.</p><p>That makes it worse in my mind but not a tax.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						and all of us who use goods and services where petrol is an input cost &ndash; oh, just like internet connectivity is these days.
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				<title>anth</title>
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						<p><q>phrasing it as a tax is deceptive as well since it then appears as if all New Zealanders are paying when in fact it is only those who pay for the internet who are paying</q><br />The petrol tax is only paid by those who pay for petrol.</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						It seems to me that we wouldn't be in this situation if we had some real competition in the market place between copper and glass &ndash; in short if Chorus wanted the business they should have been forced to split off competing business units for the two networks (and Telecom…
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						if you can't water it, their Minister is not interested
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				<title>Graham Dunster</title>
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						Funny business, Treasury advice. They have persuaded the Government to forgo free offshore money for the film and tv industry by keeping the current incentive at 15% rather than being increased to the 25% currently offered by the UK, South Africa et al. The thinking, as far as I can…
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						a fiscal drag
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				<title>Mark Graham</title>
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						How dare you make Maurice Williamson look silly. He's perfectly capable of that all by himself.
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>I hear what you’re saying though and comms around such matters is always a matter of fine judgements…</q></p><p>Yeah no worries. It’s a personal issue I have with those kinds of numbers from years of having friends comment that “hey you’ll be getting lots of funding from the hundreds of…</p>
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						<p>Hi Bart,</p><p>We wanted one number that reflected what the true cost is. We looked at $95m a year, we looked at a per user number and so on. In the end we rounded it all up and looked at Covec's most conservative estimate across the period in question.</p><p>As…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>From a report prepared by economists Covec. You can read the Coalition’s media release here and it includes a link to Covec’s 35 page report</q></p><p>Thanks Phil. The media release didn't help at all but a five minute skim of the 35 page report told me what I wanted.</p><p>So…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Farrar did actually support the unbundling of the local loop, much to the disgust of the commenters on his blog.</q></p><p>DPF has more technical nous than any two of his blog's commenters combined. He's also not utterly, implacably opposed to regulation when there's an obvious market failure.</p>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Yikes!  Mr Slater pokes his head out his burrow.  But I guess he is consistent in failing to question <em>any</em> actions by the National administration.
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<p>I'm fully in favour of the entire project. A government minister ignoring the Commerce Commission on a decision with such wide-ranging implications is beyond worrying.</p><p>It's also worth noting that Chorus (and its previous incarnation of Telecom Wholesale) has self-interest built into its entire culture. Regulation is often only part…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>David Farrar has lots of interests, some of which are not political :-) He has been a very effective member and supporter of InternetNZ for many many years and his position on topics relating to the internet have been very consistent, no matter who is in power or what various…</q>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>His presence on this consortium lends credibility as a non-tribal matter, rather than taking away.</q></p><p>It's a good counter to the blubbery one's assertion that Jordan has turned INZ into a Labour Party policy outfit, which is then the only reason that INZ would be getting in behind such a…</p>
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						<p><q>You mean not do what Slater did and turn the entire piece into attacks on Hooten (for whom I have little time, but that’s by the by), and then on Jordan Carter’s integrity? Yeah, nah.</q></p><p>Yeah, but aren't we better than that? Just ignore him &ndash; he hates being ignored…</p>
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						<p><q>Normally I'd support this, but the involvement of Farrar makes me suspect.</q></p><p>I don't often give Farrar much credit, but I will say that he's been consistently in favour of a realistic Internet/telecommunications marketplace since the 90's. His presence on this consortium lends credibility as a non-tribal matter, rather than…</p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p>To be fair, Treasury is a place where young grads go for their first job. So they play an important role in creating a ladder for bright young things to get into the workforce, or politics. </p><p>But it does main that their advice should always be taken with a pitch…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Treasury cautions against Tiwai sweetener</q></p><p>And were ignored. Well I'll be. National ignored Treasury. Why do they even bother keeping the department around? Given how often Treasury's really significant advice has been ignored by the current regime, surely it's not just for the neololberal smokescreen?</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						<p>Doesn't look like the investing public thinks this will make much difference: <a href="https://nzx.com/markets/NZSX/securities/cnu" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">CNU</a> is basically unmoved so far today.</p><p>Disclosure: I hold a small amount of CNU which I bought earlier this year because I suspected there had been unnecessary panic and they would continue to pay reasonable dividends.</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<blockquote><p>“Given the many benefits of this initiative, it is important that the economics of the project remain in place for the Government’s partners, that investment is supported throughout the duration of the build and the transition to fibre is supported so consumers get savings and wider benefits.”</p></blockquote><p>The entire Chorus…</p>
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						For me the most important consideration is the difficult-to-quantify benefits to other parts of the economy which are foregone as higher costs introduce friction in the movement of information. These benefits go much wider than the tech industry, and their loss is hugely disappointing. But because they largely accrue to…
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				<title>Juha Saarinen</title>
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						<p>May be of interest:</p><p><strong>Chorus Statement – Coalition for fair internet pricing</strong></p><p>The estimates used today are based on a draft price issued at the start of a long regulatory process. That price has never been implemented and describing this as a “new tax” is clearly misleading and incorrect. </p><p>The…</p>
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				<title>Phil Lyth</title>
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						<p><q>Could you show us the working to get $600 million as the number?</q></p><p><br />From a report prepared by economists Covec.  You can read the Coalition's media release <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1309/S00131/broad-coalition-says-no-to-600-million-internet-tax.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> and it includes a link to Covec's <a href="http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/1309/Telco_Act_Review_Economic_Issues_130912.docx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">35 page report</a></p>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<p><q>Normally I'd support this, but the involvement of Farrar makes me suspect.</q></p><p>David Farrar has lots of interests, some of which are not political :-) He has been a very effective member and supporter of InternetNZ for many many years and his position on topics relating to the internet have…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Could you show us the working to get $600 million as the number?</q></p><p>Yes, I'm curious too. I probably did it wrong, but I got $600m/12 months/$12 extra per month=~4.17m, which I would take to mean that many connections paying that much more per month. And there aren't 4.17m copper…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Let’s not make this about a person</q></p><p>You mean not do what Slater did and turn the entire piece into attacks on Hooten (for whom I have little time, but that's by the by), and then on Jordan Carter's integrity? Yeah, nah.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						Could you show us the working to get $600 million as the number?
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>the involvement of Farrar makes me suspect.</q></p><p>Surely cancelled out by the involvement of Jordan Carter, no? I mean, a former* Labour candidate is at least equal to a mere political pollster.</p><p>As for the rest, when prices have been regulated lower in other aspects of our telecommunications market the…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Normally I'd support this, but the involvement of Farrar makes me suspect.</p><p>Is this one of those things where any benefit will be snarfed by other companies in the absurdly complex telco foodchain, and the "winning" and "losing" firms have both bought different elements in the National party?</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Also on the same day as the announcement, Prime Minister John Key said he would not rule out fresh legislation to overcome a [Commerce Commission] decision he said was "problematic".</p></blockquote><p>From Hamish Rutherford's article on the subject. In usual circumstances, this statement would be extraordinary. That the PM is so…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						One commentator, I can't remember who, suggested that Adams' decision could be a breach of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GATT" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">GATT rules</a> about independent regulation. If accurate, it could make for an interesting legal challenge to the WTO.
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						If you actually showed some solid principles, Cam, instead of fawning over the National Party's every utterance, it might be easier to believe that you are your own man. As a supposed civil libertarian you ought to have been flaying Key et al alive over the GCSB legislation. Did you?…
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>The Government’s position on this is incomprehensible if it is indeed a Government for an open and free market in which all players are equal under regulation (however heavy or light that may be).</p><p>If that assumption is relaxed and it is instead assumed that this Government is partial to…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Other than the clowns who flogged Telecom off in the first place, it's hard to think of a politician who did more damage to NZ's telco-backed economy than Williamson. Four years for Telecom and Clear to get interconnection agreed; and $50m in wasted resources is a big number now, never…
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				<title>Cam Slater</title>
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						<p>No one tells me what to blog or say Russell, frankly I am sick of smears like this especially from someone like you who should know better.</p><p>No one questions what you do or say? Or what your motivations may or may not be? Or who pays or doesn't pay…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>The campaign is expected to come under attack from the Government, and has already been slated by Right-wing blogger Whaleoil.</q></p><p>Whaleoil's ability to do his masters' bidding is amazing. Clearly Judith Collins has spoken. Here's <a href="http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/09/hootons-plan-trick-journalists/#axzz2edEB4XB9" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">his bizarre post</a> on the "mad dogs at the Commerce Commission".</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Paul has some more good commentary in <a href="http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/chorus-needs-do-job-it-was-paid-not-push-copper-tax-ck-145739" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">his NBR guest editorial</a>.
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>Interesting...</p><p><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9155840/Axe-copper-tax-action-launched" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">DomPost: Axe copper tax action launched</a></p><p><q>The campaign is expected to come under attack from the Government, and has already been slated by Right-wing blogger Whaleoil.</p><p>Sources said last night that some members of the consortium had already been placed under political pressure not to publicly criticise the Government's…</q></p>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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						<q>What you can’t see is the nearly 600 words of history I’ve just deleted as being too tedious and too awful to repeat.</q>  Russell's Listener feature article covering this also appears to be behind the paywall.
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				<title>bob daktari</title>
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						as a Kiwi I expect and am usually rewarded for cost benefits of "vital" services to be passed onto offshore interests... indeed so much so that I expect some of my taxes to subsidise such
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						It's Call For Change all over again. The ongoing local loop debacle can only strengthen the case for a mild dose of <em>le dirigisme</em>.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>When I first started as a tech reporter at Computerworld back in 1997 I remember one Russell Brown gleefully proposing a cover story that consisted mainly of quotes from then Minister of Communications Maurice Williamson threatening to take action over an issue if everyone didn’t simmer down a bit.</p><p>From…</q></p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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