Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: The Public Broadcasting Imperative https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236724#post236724 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236724#post236724 Simple prejudice. I seem to remember this person making a cogent argument for the “older demographic” as a lucrative market.

Well, the example I like to keep using is from the Evil Empire of American network television. The West Wing was a pretty expensive hour of television (as shows with…

]]> Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:14:53 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236722#post236722 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236722#post236722 I think it’s disappointing that Drinnan couldn’t be bothered actually dragging his ass to the Spada conference.

Yes, and I once asked Drinnan why the Herald's media columnist apparently found layoffs, budget cuts and industrial action at the dominant player in Auckland's print media market beneath his notice. Shall we…

]]> Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:53:28 +1300 Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236717#post236717 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236717#post236717 Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:01:25 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236670#post236670 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236670#post236670 Unfortunately, older people are of relatively little value to ad agencies.
But I don't think that is because older people don't buy stuff, its more because they buy what they want rather than get suckerd into the latest fad. Show them a good price on a good product and they…

]]> Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:54:35 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236664#post236664 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236664#post236664 Meanwhile, Stedman gets to man the soapbox on the Granny. And our old friend John Drinnan digs deeper into SKY TV’s ‘connections’ (say it out loud like the Godfather).

I think it's disappointing that Drinnan couldn't be bothered actually dragging his ass to the Spada conference.

Stedman's speech galvanised an…

]]> Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:14:30 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236651#post236651 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236651#post236651 The timing of these gladiatorial brutal boxing/wrestling/kicking "entertainment events" inside the octagon ring is waaaay inside kids programming time.

If you're talking about MMA it's worth noting that it's considerably less dangerous than boxing. Since 1998 70 people have died in professional boxing matches. From MMA there has been one.…

]]> Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:42:22 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236646#post236646 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236646#post236646 man the soapbox on the Granny. And our old friend John Drinnan digs deeper into SKY TV's 'connections' (say it out loud like the Godfather). ]]> Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:32:29 +1300 Hamish Denston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236545#post236545 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236545#post236545 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:55:37 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236518#post236518 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236518#post236518 Same mindset as selling already-owned electricity networks. Poverty of vision.

+1

]]> Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:58:53 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236511#post236511 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236511#post236511 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:34:11 +1300 Marcus Turner https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236502#post236502 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236502#post236502 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:05:38 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236500#post236500 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236500#post236500 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:49:14 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236496#post236496 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236496#post236496 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:25:26 +1300 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236495#post236495 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236495#post236495 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:15:23 +1300 Pamela Mazoyer https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236493#post236493 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236493#post236493 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:47:39 +1300 Ethan Tucker https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236490#post236490 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236490#post236490 The only good thing is that we are measured and we vote. Turn off and tell them you are turning off.

In operation for me at least for the last 10 years and still going strong. Doesn't seem to have had much effect, to be honest.

I did participate in…

]]> Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:44:41 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236454#post236454 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236454#post236454 it wasn't anyone at TVNZ who asked for the five year terminator clause on 6 and 7's funding

However I have seen no evidence that they progressed the sustainability of those channels in any way. Is there some?

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:49:29 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236453#post236453 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236453#post236453 Yeah. Let’s be clear: TVNZ still relies on a lot of decent people practising the various screen crafts with a high degree of skill. Fewer of them actually have proper jobs there every year, but let’s not be having jokes about killing them.

And as Michael pointed out with some…

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:35:13 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236446#post236446 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236446#post236446 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:46:39 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236441#post236441 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236441#post236441 One thing I have long thought though is that concentrating on things known to have the widest appeal is a bad strategy, in that you lose all the people who had minority tastes that are no longer catered for.

Free-to-air TV would look really different if it did just concentrate…

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:55:11 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236440#post236440 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236440#post236440 Even taken as black humour, that's repellent, Tom. Rather worse that the original crack, I think.

Yeah. Let's be clear: TVNZ still relies on a lot of decent people practising the various screen crafts with a high degree of skill. Fewer of them actually have proper jobs there every year,…

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:49:59 +1300 Grant McDougall https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236439#post236439 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236439#post236439 The way to contain the contagion that is now TVNZ is to wait for the TVNZ Christmas party and then nuke the site from orbit.
It is the only way to be sure.

About two years ago I was at Russell's friend Andrew Moore's apartment directly across the road from…

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:37:10 +1300 Eleisha McNeill https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236418#post236418 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236418#post236418 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:41:43 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236417#post236417 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236417#post236417 the White Sea canal wasn't built only by the guilty.

Even taken as black humour, that's repellent, Tom. Rather worse that the original crack, I think.

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:41:41 +1300 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236416#post236416 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236416#post236416 I personally cannot believe how quite consistently it is demonstrated that our networks are losing numbers of viewers. There is all the crap about the competition from other platforms, but free-to-air is one of the great human dreams – with access to everyone, without payment... I mean, honestly, how can… ]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:40:12 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236414#post236414 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236414#post236414 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:36:53 +1300 Ross Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236413#post236413 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236413#post236413

I have long contemplated instigating a rolling boycott of TVNZ,

Start a version of "Occupy" TVNZ ??

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:32:07 +1300 David Herkt https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236406#post236406 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236406#post236406 May I add my iota of applause.... With the additional proviso that united we stand, divided we fall.

I have long contemplated instigating a rolling boycott of TVNZ, where one by one, through inventive means of propagation, a popular campaign begins which results in the fact that, we, the NZ…

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:04:22 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236399#post236399 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236399#post236399 The New World is nigh.
6 years away, to be precise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ceegnWSENQ

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:29:53 +1300 Ross Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236398#post236398 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236398#post236398

As it stands, the only thing it’s missing right now is live gladiatorial snuff.

I get the impression Sky is moving closer and closer to it. The timing of these gladiatorial brutal boxing/wrestling/kicking "entertainment events" inside the octagon ring is waaaay inside kids programming time.

The New World is nigh.

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:27:51 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236393#post236393 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236393#post236393 Years ago I was told by a programmer at TVNZ that people didn’t like documentaries because they had to think. No one told Discovery, an empire that has been built on the belief that people are intelligent information seekers.

That one sentence neatly sums up everything that’s fucked up about…

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:07:06 +1300 Ross Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236392#post236392 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236392#post236392 For example, for 10 years NHNZ has partnered the University of Otago in offering a Science and Natural History Film Making Masters level degree course. Every year the course produces 10 commercial half hour documentaries which have won over 40 newcomer awards. They are screened internationally but not in NZ… ]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:03:57 +1300 Graeme Edgeler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236390#post236390 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236390#post236390 faked-up nature docos involving contrived dangers

This isn’t new, and indeed, it wasn’t new in 1976. e.g. the Lemming cliff scene from the Disney True Life Adventure, and, for that matter, Nanook of the North.

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:59:22 +1300 Brendon Steen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236388#post236388 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236388#post236388 Have we grown a market which believes that offering different flavours of candy floss is real choice?

Unfortunately, that's what markets are. Where the only imperative is commercial gain the natural tendency of the market is towards mass production and economies of scale. The greatest achievement of a commercial operator…

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:53:20 +1300 Megan Wegan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236387#post236387 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236387#post236387 The way to contain the contagion that is now TVNZ is to wait for the TVNZ Christmas party and then nuke the site from orbit.

I know you’re being flippant, but for all its faults, there are a lot of dedicated, talented people in that building who really don’t deserve…

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:41:28 +1300 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236384#post236384 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236384#post236384 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:30:27 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236383#post236383 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236383#post236383 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:29:39 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236380#post236380 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236380#post236380 The way to contain the contagion that is now TVNZ is to wait for the TVNZ Christmas party and then nuke the site from orbit.

It is the only way to be sure.

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:10:00 +1300 Gregor Ronald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236375#post236375 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236375#post236375 It's worth getting hold of a copy of the 1975 Oscar winning "Network"; all the dreadful excesses that made this movie cutting edge satire in 1975 are now the standard fare of mainstream TV.

Awful reality shows, freak shows posing as documentaries, faked-up nature docos involving contrived dangers, and cruel…

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:50:46 +1300 Terry Baucher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236371#post236371 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236371#post236371 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:46:28 +1300 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236368#post236368 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236368#post236368 Thank you for voicing possibility so articulately.

We all know that broadcasting and mass media determines a great part of the intellectual ocean we swim in. People still talk to each other about what was on television last night. We all know that we are being failed, and that it…

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:42:45 +1300 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236365#post236365 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236365#post236365 "Years ago I was told by a programmer at TVNZ that people didn’t like documentaries because they had to think."
I was told this as well, and Steve yes, it is not a long bow to draw.

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:33:41 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236361#post236361 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236361#post236361 The fact we were sold by TVNZ and have gone on to grow and succeed illustrates the lack of understanding successive Boards of TVNZ have had and continue to have about the industry they’re charged with overseeing.
You could say the same about National with regard to strategic assets and…

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:31:39 +1300 Tony Siu https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236360#post236360 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236360#post236360 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:30:09 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236358#post236358 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236358#post236358 Wow, as far as food for thought goes that was a silver service, twelve course blow out. "Provocative" in the very best (and most useful) sense – I certainly some cherished assumptions given a good shake, and it should challenge a lot of received wisdom on all sides.

Shame I'm…

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:24:07 +1300 Jordan Carter https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236357#post236357 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236357#post236357 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:18:39 +1300 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236354#post236354 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236354#post236354 Is it time to sell TVNZ and allow it pursue unencumbered the commercial path it has chosen?
Seeing an ad for Worst Plastic Surgery Shockers 7 pop up on TV2 last night directly triggered this thought for me. IMO the only reason we should be funding a "public broadcaster" that…

]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:12:42 +1300 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236345#post236345 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236345#post236345 Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:59:43 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236344#post236344 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-public-broadcasting-imperative/?p=236344#post236344 Discussion from blog post.

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