Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: The government's Rules Reduction Taskforce went on a witch hunt, and couldn't find any witches https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Stephen R https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349897#post349897 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349897#post349897 Often the vendor will have a building inspection done,,,but for about $250 you can get your own done.

Yep, totally agree, but recent articles suggest that there were shortcuts taken that affect the safety/longevity of buildings during that period that weren't detectable without pulling off the outer layer – I'm…

]]> Wed, 14 Oct 2015 08:15:01 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349878#post349878 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349878#post349878 Cowboy movie, anyone?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11528352

Or a TV sitcom in the early 1980s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6R7V2nYaCQ

]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:23:00 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349876#post349876 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349876#post349876 Was considering buying a new house,

Find a member of the Real Estate Agents Authority. Real estate agents these days have to mind their ps and qs else all manner of shit rains down upon their heads.

Ask for Full Disclosure, a Council Report (All information on the land, building,…

]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:10:02 +1300 Stephen R https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349864#post349864 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349864#post349864 Tue, 13 Oct 2015 16:50:04 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349850#post349850 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349850#post349850 Cowboy movie, anyone?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11528352

]]> Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:22:22 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349115#post349115 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349115#post349115 Tue, 29 Sep 2015 18:43:38 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349109#post349109 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349109#post349109 but it could have been more efficient than me then having to trawl even deeper through acres of youtube videos, five days into a ten day job in order to find a video made by some guy in the UK who was able to instruct them how to do their… ]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:24:31 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349108#post349108 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349108#post349108 And you definitely come across as implying that anyone who doesn’t get that deeply involved deserves whatever they’ve got coming.

I didn't get that. What I thought he was getting at was that we (jo public) should be able to access information if we want to, which __ could…

]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:21:59 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349106#post349106 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349106#post349106 And you definitely come across as implying that anyone who doesn’t get that deeply involved deserves whatever they’ve got coming.

I’m not that hard-line. I kind of wish I were that hard-line. On a recent job where two days into a two person job {having up till that point left…

]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:07:58 +1300 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349096#post349096 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349096#post349096 I wonder if Matthew may have misconstrued my posts to mean I support Paula Bennett’s proposed deregulation of certification processes.

You were very ambiguous in your message, and your implication that everyone should be monitoring what their builders are doing was open to the interpretation that if everyone did just…

]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:55:32 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349077#post349077 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349077#post349077 NZ 3604, Timber-framed buildings, is the main resource for all the rule and regs for most houses. It is readily available from NZ Standards for those that need it for the paultry sum of WTF!!!!! $279.00 NZD (ex GST) ($320.85 inc)
That is why cheap builders make fuckups....…

]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2015 11:36:56 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349070#post349070 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349070#post349070 People vary in how much involvement we want in decisions (and the monitoring of them afterwards).

I wonder if Matthew may have misconstrued my posts to mean I support Paula Bennett’s proposed deregulation of certification processes. There’s no way I’m in favour of that. I just want as much information…

]]> Mon, 28 Sep 2015 23:59:14 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349069#post349069 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349069#post349069 Mon, 28 Sep 2015 23:06:08 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349068#post349068 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349068#post349068 the greatest and most important purchase they will ever make

And there's the problem – that should be a business, not a bivouac.
Our national discourse about what is important has gone seriously astray.

]]> Mon, 28 Sep 2015 22:55:06 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349067#post349067 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349067#post349067 See, here’s the thing: as much as I am curious about pretty much everything and want to learn about as much different facets of life as possible, I simply do not have the time to both do my primary job and supervise some notional future builder on such notional future… ]]> Mon, 28 Sep 2015 21:04:16 +1300 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349052#post349052 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349052#post349052 We need a system that works, not the one we have now, it was working fine until National interfered with it back in the 90s.

That system involved real apprenticeships and strict regulation. We’ve had neither for three decades.

And you're welcome :)

]]> Mon, 28 Sep 2015 16:25:49 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349048#post349048 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349048#post349048 If that builder needs someone to fit their new gas stove at home, they’re probably not going to become a certified gas-fitter; they’ll call an expert. Likewise if they need someone to run their construction company’s computer network, they’ll call someone like myself rather than learning how to do it… ]]> Mon, 28 Sep 2015 16:03:44 +1300 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349045#post349045 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349045#post349045 So long as the general public are kept in ignorance without the education and resources freely available to oversee inspectors’ work and knowledgeably supervise builders.

See, here’s the thing: as much as I am curious about pretty much everything and want to learn about as much different facets of life…

]]> Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:45:46 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349017#post349017 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349017#post349017 Yes...
;-)

]]> Sun, 27 Sep 2015 17:28:11 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349014#post349014 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349014#post349014 do you feel comfortable getting your building information from a source that feels like the next image you will see is of a Royal baby or an article on what to wear when you go shopping?

Exactly, no. Thanks for your perspectives here Steve they are very much appreciated. I…

]]> Sun, 27 Sep 2015 14:39:36 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349012#post349012 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349012#post349012 There’s no ethical reason for the Government not to be disclosing all the information as well as actively educating us and our kids as a means of empowerment.

No ETHICAL reason, no. Ideological, yes. They don't want to empower the average consumer, that consumer might want something that is worth…

]]> Sun, 27 Sep 2015 11:12:51 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349009#post349009 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349009#post349009 But there are resources available for consumers

Mark...I have the BRANZ House Building Guide 1993.

Best $24.95 I ever spent.

Please don't tell me it's now out of date.

]]> Sun, 27 Sep 2015 10:11:31 +1300 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349008#post349008 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349008#post349008 But there are resources available for consumers – Building Guide, for one. But people have to choose to seek them out…

Absolutely, there are tons of resources on the internet for every conceivable aspect of a project; how-to guides, videos, almost anything you could want to know is readily available,…

]]> Sun, 27 Sep 2015 04:34:19 +1300 Mark Graham https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349007#post349007 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=349007#post349007 Building Guide, for one. But people have to choose to seek them out... ]]> Sun, 27 Sep 2015 00:16:22 +1200 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348986#post348986 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348986#post348986 So however skilled and capable you might be, the rest of us have to trust in the work of others.

So long as the general public are kept in ignorance without the education and resources freely available to oversee inspectors’ work and knowledgeably supervise builders.

]]> Sat, 26 Sep 2015 12:16:34 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348980#post348980 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348980#post348980 The main workmanship problem ( there were a few ) was that their builder was supposed to install 'dripper lines' from windows –

Good grief. A shonky execution of an afterthought from a kneejerk reaction to bad legislation.
Drip lines were the "solution" to allowing monolithic cladding to be used…

]]> Sat, 26 Sep 2015 11:26:14 +1200 tussock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348963#post348963 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348963#post348963 Helen Kelly has pointed out that the Minister was pushing those ludicrous myths herself on TV in June, to justify said taskforce.

You know, it could just be that the minister was ignorant, believed all the rubbish going around their social circles about government was true, and sought rightly to…

]]> Fri, 25 Sep 2015 20:52:40 +1200 Mark Graham https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348960#post348960 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348960#post348960 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 20:23:36 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348942#post348942 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348942#post348942 FFS!

There again, on the other hand, the whole bloody Christchurch thing has been a joke.

And a sad and twisted one at that.

MOBIE...useless twerps.

]]> Fri, 25 Sep 2015 16:33:34 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348940#post348940 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348940#post348940 And this...http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/72430808/neighbour-disputes-an-ageold-problem...

The article describes a case in WA where an organic farmer lost his certification because his neighbour's GM crop contaminated his property.

Surely against the 'rules'?

But no...

The Court ruled against the organic farmer, and said "that the farmer could not, by putting their land to an…

]]> Fri, 25 Sep 2015 16:27:28 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348939#post348939 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348939#post348939 Its not as if the information on doing the job properly is not easily availiable...
THE GUIDE FOR
CANTERBURY BUILDERS
BELOW-FLOOR
WORK
Written in a language designed for twelve year olds complete with cute dog and printed coffee stains...
Well, written for people who could not build a…

]]> Fri, 25 Sep 2015 16:24:20 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348936#post348936 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348936#post348936 Good on ya Megan Woods. ]]> Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:50:53 +1200 Steve Withers https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348892#post348892 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348892#post348892 Fri, 25 Sep 2015 11:02:25 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348889#post348889 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348889#post348889 Urgh.

An appropriately Neanderthal response.

Back to your cave Mr Garrett!

]]> Fri, 25 Sep 2015 10:40:03 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348872#post348872 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348872#post348872 And bugger me dead if a couple of the righteous ain't trying to make this about having to accommodate the pesky disabled.

Because of course they are. Urgh.

]]> Fri, 25 Sep 2015 09:10:29 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348865#post348865 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348865#post348865 Meanwhile, over in the righteous space, they too are discussing 'loopy rules'.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/09/the_loopy_rules_report.html#comments

And bugger me dead if a couple of the righteous ain't trying to make this about having to accommodate the pesky disabled.

This disabled access, and toilets for the disabled has to be the biggest load of…

]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 22:32:39 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348789#post348789 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348789#post348789 Tip of the iceberg

That is an amazing read.

]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:47:59 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348787#post348787 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348787#post348787 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:43:46 +1200 Steve Withers https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348774#post348774 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348774#post348774 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:42:10 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348773#post348773 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348773#post348773 It does seem then that there is not really a problem with 'loopy rules' but mostly 'loopy people' implementing them...
Context is everything – I'd have though that with databases and systems being what they are, a flow chart and 'idiot list' could be generated for any building consent process…

]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:35:17 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348772#post348772 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348772#post348772 which lead to the extension cord catching fire (induction – don’t coil those things)
Moving house has its problems as well...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/72360482/canterbury-house-transporter-given-hell-of-a-scare-by-fire
I think these are the folk who moved Dr Haywood to Dunsandel...

]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:26:27 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348771#post348771 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348771#post348771 Other Chchch 'news':
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/72338131/cera-should-lease-new-building-earmarked-for-demolition-to-artists--developer
Students and artists should use a new building set to be demolished to make way for a stadium that "may never happen", a developer says.
The Kirk Roberts Consulting Engineers' office building opened at the corner of Barbadoes and Lichfield St in 2012. It was the…

]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:21:02 +1200 Steve Withers https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348770#post348770 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348770#post348770 Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:19:52 +1200 Steve Withers https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348767#post348767 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348767#post348767 I'd like to a see a lot more GOOD rules.

I discovered this year that the breeze blocks on lower part of a house I own had never been properly sealed. This allowed the lower flat to be damp. This meant I had a heater on down there to keep…

]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:06:13 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348760#post348760 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348760#post348760 If that is all verifiable...
It's a site I bookmarked some time ago which has since been a handy reference. I'd imagine much of the author's spin would be actionable in a strictly legal sense, but unfolding events continue to confirm the underlying facts.

Surely a big part of the…

]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:43:01 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348757#post348757 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348757#post348757 tip of the bloody iceberg.

That horrifies me. If that is all verifiable then people should be exposing all of it to all MP's bar National. Expose everything now and I'd be complaining to the Mayor! See if the 3D program will run with it as a follow up to…

]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 10:25:07 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348748#post348748 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348748#post348748 Having a Prime Minister that can't even hit a nail on the head does not mean the rest of the country are an incompetent hamfisted wunch of Bankers.

The one time I met David Lange, around a year before he became PM, was when he was a fellow guest at…

]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 09:13:08 +1200 Jock Hyde https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348747#post348747 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348747#post348747 Good points George
But on a house that was run of the mill in a normal location for want of going into every possible scenario, the 'building' cost part of a bill would never get to tens of thousands.
Most councils don't hello themselves by sending out a bill at…

]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 09:07:00 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348744#post348744 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348744#post348744 They covered it on TV recently

Yeah it’s endless. From people dealing with botched repairs of first-round earthquake repairs, to others still fighting EQC assessments after five years, to those trying to get their insurers to come up with an adequate repair strategy. Thousands of houses.

Then those who don’t…

]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 09:02:03 +1200 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348743#post348743 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348743#post348743
How many of the builders who spent their early years under National4 would you trust to build you a dog house?

That point is moot, I wouldn’t but then why hire someone to do what you should be able to do yourself. Having a Prime Minister that can’t even hit…

]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 08:51:35 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348740#post348740 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348740#post348740 She is believed to be a qualified carpenter ... (from your link)

She was, in fact, one of the poster girls for a 'girls can do anything' campaign....

http://www.neon.org.nz/documents/Give%20Girls%20a%20Go%20Report.pdf

Almost tempts me to google the other 'go girls' to see where their careers went...

]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 07:56:02 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348737#post348737 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348737#post348737 one of the central nepotists has jumped. Now if only the rest would follow, unless they have to be pushed. ]]> Thu, 24 Sep 2015 02:17:27 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348730#post348730 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348730#post348730 One big circle jerk
Tip of the iceberg Sofie, tip of the bloody iceberg.

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 23:21:11 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348729#post348729 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348729#post348729 They covered it on TV recently and this was in Stuff about it all.
Christchurch Labour MP Ruth Dyson said EQC was asking for trouble when it employed family members related to top management.
Nepotism being rife and some woman that worked for EQC doing the assessments then ends…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 23:16:31 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348719#post348719 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348719#post348719 http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/10441327/Cheap-fixes-devaluing-thousands-of-homes ]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 21:26:40 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348715#post348715 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348715#post348715 Thanks Ian: or even the website with fancy new FAQs
http://www.yeswecan.org.nz/

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 20:53:09 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348713#post348713 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348713#post348713 PDF version of petition
(click through and download/copy/save as...)

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 20:42:56 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348710#post348710 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348710#post348710 Chipping in with a whinge from the carpers of shakeytown: foundations and u blanket consent exemptions for Fletcher's EQR for structural building work has been a howling success.

It is all going so swimmingly that Dr Duncan Webb, a partner of Christchurch law firm Lane Neave, has prepared a petition…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 20:26:40 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348705#post348705 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348705#post348705 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 19:53:02 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348685#post348685 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348685#post348685 You mean the AddBlue system, which is fitted on every newish truck in the EU.

Not mandated here, along with catalysts for petrol cars.

VW could ship practically any car to NZ and it would be allowed in as long as it passed vehicle standards someplace in the world. (and…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:17:19 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348684#post348684 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348684#post348684 I might've had it out of context, but the mate reckoned that a few builders out there have council inspectors in their pocket.
One has to ask... "how does he know this?"
In my experience it is rare and "a mate told me" is not proof.
Back in the good…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:16:37 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348682#post348682 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348682#post348682 Ah yes, kicking Council any chance central govt gets. I never used to be remotely sympathetic to Council until I was on the inside. Now I see the tangled mess we have to deal with from central govt, currently exacerbated by central govt exiting work that really has to be… ]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:11:09 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348681#post348681 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348681#post348681 I dread to think what would have happened – how long we would have been in dispute with these people – if we hadn't had a neutral Building Inspector.

Is there much in the way of dodgy dealings out there with council building inspections?

I've never had to deal with…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 18:06:45 +1200 Julie Fairey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348676#post348676 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348676#post348676 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 17:57:38 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348667#post348667 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348667#post348667 He was a BAD builder

You shouldn't have employed him then but how can you tell?.
I have no problem with a well run, efficient Ministry of Building and Works, qualified and certified builders would be a boon to an industry blighted by fly by night cowboys the problem is…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 17:34:08 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348664#post348664 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348664#post348664 An aside..
Only then did VW concede the cars had a cheat device.

That cheat device is interesting, it actually proves that you can reduce NOx emissions (caused by running a diesel efficiently) quite simply, by using Urea something this country has in bucket loads.

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 17:25:19 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348662#post348662 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348662#post348662 if your contractor didn’t set the foundations out correctly then he was not a builder

That's circular.

He was a BAD builder

If you define BAD builders as not builders then all builders are good and hence need no regulation

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 17:20:49 +1200 Ross Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348661#post348661 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348661#post348661 Those bloody regulators who check things on behalf of the consumer....all the way from VW to the EPA!

Bloomberg reports VW engineers struggled to explain these results to the EPA and CARB after an investigation began. Regulators weren’t satisfied with that explanation, so they threatened to withhold certifications…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 17:08:15 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348658#post348658 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348658#post348658 - what pisses them off is when they have to wait around half a day for someone who then only does a half-arsed job of checking anyway.

And abides by the tainted rules based on increasing profits for the few.
And... if your contractor didn't set the foundations out correctly…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:48:38 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348655#post348655 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348655#post348655 why hire someone to do what you should be able to do yourself

There is a point where I decide that it's Ok to pay someone to do work I could do myself because I'm kinda busy doing work that I've trained for 20 years to do that not many…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:29:46 +1200 WSW https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348654#post348654 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348654#post348654 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:25:31 +1200 Adam H https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348653#post348653 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348653#post348653 I agree: leaky buildings weren't caused by "shonky builders" (to quote Morning Report who should know better). They were caused by shonky Corporates and shonky governance.

A lobby group managed to get a flawed product approved. From then on it was inspected and signed off. All official and to specification.

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:22:56 +1200 Adam H https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348652#post348652 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348652#post348652 https://youtu.be/dIto5mwDLxo?t=1m2s

Yes, yes, yes, I do see that there is a real dilemma here. In that, while it has been government policy to regard policy as a responsibility of Ministers and administration as a responsibility of Officials, the questions of administrative policy can cause confusion between the policy of administration…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:11:57 +1200 Michael Reece https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348651#post348651 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348651#post348651 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:11:53 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348650#post348650 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348650#post348650 Bogan.

How dare you Sir....
I resemble that remark...
[not the Aussie kind though]

Surely you're thinking of bogong*, as in let bogongs be bogongs?

*AKA the Australian coffee moth. Once it's found it's way indoors it will unerringly seek out a freshly made mug of coffee, where it will…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:09:23 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348647#post348647 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348647#post348647 Bogan.

How dare you Sir....
I resemble that remark...
[not the Aussie kind though]

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:57:35 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348646#post348646 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348646#post348646 I dread to think what would have happened – how long we would have been in dispute with these people – if we hadn't had a neutral Building Inspector.

When we did our extension, we had good builders. And they moaned mightily about having the bloody nitpicking building inspector around,…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:54:05 +1200 David Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348644#post348644 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348644#post348644 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:50:11 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348642#post348642 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348642#post348642 eats shoots and leaves?
It seems a convenient smokescreen to distract attention from…
… did you mention Panda Bears? cuddly Panda Bears?
Due to the world unicorn shortage
Everyone in New Zealand is to get a Panda!
or was that to get pandered to?
– it was a bad line……

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:38:33 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348640#post348640 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348640#post348640 We built a house about 6 years ago and had major problems with a supplier

What exactly was the problem?

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:34:01 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348639#post348639 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348639#post348639 It seems a convenient smokescreen to distract attention from the problem of cartels, protectionism, kickbacks and price gouging in the building supplies industry.

You hit the nail on the head there...

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:31:27 +1200 WSW https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348638#post348638 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348638#post348638 We built a house about 6 years ago and had major problems with a supplier ( of colorsteel) and a sub-contractor who worked for the supplier applying their cladding.

We were getting nowhere with complaints to the supplier about their substandard product and their sub standard 'subbie'...( they both claimed…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:25:05 +1200 Roger Lacey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348633#post348633 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348633#post348633 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 15:04:19 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348627#post348627 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348627#post348627 How many of the builders who spent their early years under National4 would you trust to build you a dog house?

That point is moot, I wouldn't but then why hire someone to do what you should be able to do yourself. Having a Prime Minister that can't even hit…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 14:44:09 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348626#post348626 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348626#post348626 You mean "was", I think, but anyway.
Ok, "I was been a Builder for over 40 years and know what the fuck I am doing."
Somehow doesn't do it for me...
;-)

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 14:39:26 +1200 Matthew Poole https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348622#post348622 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348622#post348622 I have been a Builder for over 40 years and know what the fuck I am doing.

You mean "was", I think, but anyway. How many of the builders who spent their early years under National4 would you trust to build you a dog house? And how many of their…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 14:31:05 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348616#post348616 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348616#post348616 You’ll be wanting those FreeMasons, then…

Up here, far north of Auckwood, Past the Valley of Dome, beyond the Bendyraewyns we have "cheap chippies", housing for hippies, fencing and framing on the farm rather than Free Masons forming fortresses for feathered nests.
Up here it is not about building consent…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:49:45 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348615#post348615 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348615#post348615 throwing in the trowel…
The fact of the matter is that anybody can become a “Registered Builder” or a “Master Builder” by joining a club for cash.

You’ll be wanting those FreeMasons, then…

/coat and hat…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:30:17 +1200 B Jones https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348614#post348614 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348614#post348614 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:29:32 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348610#post348610 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348610#post348610 the powers that be allowed the big supply companies to have their way

and regulators still haven't tackled them.

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:02:31 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348608#post348608 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348608#post348608 John Gray on RNZ this morning:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/201771725/concerns-about-builders-being-able-to-certify-their-own-work

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:01:36 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348606#post348606 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348606#post348606 John Grey from the "Home Owners and Buyers Association" whoever they may be, says that Builders should only be allowed to sign off on "A dog house or a garden shed, maybe"
Well thanks for the insult you stupid man. I have been a Builder for over 40…

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:58:08 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348605#post348605 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348605#post348605 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:55:42 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348601#post348601 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348601#post348601 Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:40:18 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348599#post348599 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348599#post348599 pointed out that the Minister was pushing those ludicrous myths herself on TV in June, to justify said taskforce. ]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:33:50 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348595#post348595 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348595#post348595 Rather than reprint all of the advertising material, they actually just got someone to cross the word out in marker pen on a bunch of them.

That is amazing.

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:27:00 +1200 Jason Kemp https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348593#post348593 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348593#post348593

"We were always at war with RMAsia”.

That sounds like a direct quote from the book 1984….

]]> Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:23:59 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348592#post348592 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-governments-rules-reduction-taskforce/?p=348592#post348592 Discussion from blog post.

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