Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: The End of Trust https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=325054#post325054 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=325054#post325054 Howard quoting some useless numpty from Te Hereld:
media could not afford to be wholly dismissive, he said, because they needed people who were intelligent and articulate on screen

Articulate, informed people are so terribly hard to find that media are just forced to go to PR flacks? Really? That's…

]]> Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:12:03 +1200 phplad https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324931#post324931 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324931#post324931 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 01:35:28 +1200 Howard Edwards https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324733#post324733 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324733#post324733 John Drinnan's recent NZ Herald article on the use of PR consultants in the media gave me a "Jesus wept" moment when I read this:

__"Jennings said the controversy had been a wake-up call to the media to be careful about using PR people on current affairs programmes. But media could…

]]> Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:49:25 +1200 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324580#post324580 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324580#post324580 Never stop criticizing government, it’s good for them. It’s a wonderful thing to even be allowed to do, many countries simply murder their critics, but don’t forget that what we’re fighting to hold on to is incredibly nice and we are privileged to be here to fight for it. Holding… ]]> Mon, 15 Sep 2014 22:45:03 +1200 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324528#post324528 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324528#post324528 Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:58:07 +1200 tussock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324526#post324526 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324526#post324526 So much for "trust", I'd say, I lost trust in the media a fair time ago, and I never had much trust at all in any PR hacks, lobbyists and whatever else they may call themselves. Society is breaking to pieces and going to the pits in inter human relationship… ]]> Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:44:26 +1200 Graham Dunster https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324431#post324431 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324431#post324431 “Free speech has been cartelised.”

Or maybe cauterised....

]]> Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:34:38 +1200 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324410#post324410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324410#post324410 . I sincerely hope the adverse publicity puts any future black ops work on hold indefinitely.

A quick look at Whaleoil confirms the "tip line", Beehive tap and PR attacks are now firmly turned of, at least until after the election. The trick is to make it permanent.

]]> Mon, 15 Sep 2014 07:47:18 +1200 Jack Harrison https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324403#post324403 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324403#post324403 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 23:25:18 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324396#post324396 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324396#post324396 If you don't have a financial interest of any sort, it would appear that you simply don't exist, as far as today's media is concerned. Except possibly as the occasional freakshow segment.

Or if the police are somehow involved. If the elephant in the room can be summed up in…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 22:46:38 +1200 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324383#post324383 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324383#post324383 NO media seemed much interested to report on this.....It seems to work so often to offer “stories” for certain people with vested commercial or political interests.

I appreciate that Paul's background is in tech, where by definition you'll be writing about gadgets and stuff that sells, and clearly he's writing…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:13:38 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324379#post324379 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324379#post324379 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:19:34 +1200 Pete https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324376#post324376 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324376#post324376 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:10:43 +1200 Andre https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324374#post324374 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324374#post324374 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:05:18 +1200 Dismal Soyanz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324370#post324370 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324370#post324370 Otoh, I don’t have a problem with clearly-signalled sponsored posts from organisations looking for a conversation, as we’ve done for the Law Commission and NZTA. It’s not all one thing.

And my impression is that these are conversations that are of public interest rather than the private purchase of goods…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:42:32 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324366#post324366 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324366#post324366 ETA It occurs to me that the stated advertorials are “actual money to buy a page of advertising that looks like an article” and the mascara reviews are “using people employed by magazines to promote your product by giving them supplies of free stuff”, so there is obviously a difference.… ]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:53:23 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324365#post324365 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324365#post324365 With all due respect, Russell, I think there’s everything wrong about it because it erodes the distinction between editorial and advertising. If you’re treating some consumer product as a news story, then I think “lay viewers” shouldn’t have to be media hep cats about where the story is coming from.… ]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:40:27 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324364#post324364 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324364#post324364 ... everyone's got a barrow to push.
Can't have a marketplace of ideas without them...

:- )

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 18:15:55 +1200 Andre https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324362#post324362 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324362#post324362 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 17:57:26 +1200 Fran O'Sullivan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324357#post324357 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324357#post324357 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 17:08:50 +1200 phplad https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324355#post324355 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324355#post324355 I was in the car the other day, travelling on a wet slippery downhill road with off camber corners.
On the radio they had some road safety experts ranting on about being careful.
I immediately rang the radio station and accused them of conspiracies and fear-mongering and grilled them on…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:59:24 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324349#post324349 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324349#post324349 article up talking about the NZ election and Scottish Referendum, but using Curia polling and PR as the basis for their analysis. Given their take on Scotland I suspect… ]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:44:25 +1200 Fran O'Sullivan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324346#post324346 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324346#post324346 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:20:16 +1200 Danielle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324343#post324343 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324343#post324343 There is tons of stuff which is pure PR/Advert, no disclaimers.

I suspect that (there can’t possibly be that many disinterested* journalists making the call on the awesomeness of new types of mascara), but why do some puff pieces give the disclaimer and some don’t? Is that part of the…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:17:13 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324341#post324341 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324341#post324341 Loving the fact that Greenwald is seeking to debate the PM in person now.
Do you have a reference for that Andre? I can't find it in either of the major papers.

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:14:20 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324336#post324336 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324336#post324336 former Labour political insider
I'm confused how former candidates get labelled as that, especially in Josie Pagani's case.

I missed the piece where she may have commented on royalties so would have phrased differently if had caught that.
See my comment above – looks like some folk on Twitter misheard.…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:10:30 +1200 Fran O'Sullivan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324333#post324333 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324333#post324333 I took it Deborah was there as a former Labour political insider – not as a PR. That is surely the experience the show’s producers wanted to tap. So, to me that was where the primary disclosure should lie.
I missed the piece where she may have commented on royalties…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:00:18 +1200 Andre https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324332#post324332 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324332#post324332 Mr X has joined Blah Blah firm as Blah Blah title. Blah Blah firm are known as the leading firm in their industry and are reporting a huge amount of interest in their amazing new Blah Blah product.
No sign of, or official need for, an Advertorial warning. A bit…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:43:25 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324330#post324330 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324330#post324330 panel segment at about 4m seems less definitive. It was Nat-aligned panellist Megan Campbell who made a statement and Wood added that Mahuta-Coyle was nodding in agreement out of shot. I actually got the impression the interviewer may have been aware of the area of interest. ]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:36:30 +1200 CJM https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324327#post324327 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324327#post324327 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:29:26 +1200 Andre https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324320#post324320 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324320#post324320 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:07:56 +1200 Danielle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324319#post324319 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324319#post324319 there’s everything wrong about it because it erodes the distinction between editorial and advertising

At least if I'm reading a magazine they do the bare minimum of putting "advertorial" at the top of a page of advertising pretending to be a story. From what I'm reading in this thread it…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:05:42 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324317#post324317 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324317#post324317 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:55:41 +1200 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324316#post324316 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324316#post324316 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:53:53 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324315#post324315 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324315#post324315 When the ethical rot is so endemic, how can it be excised?

It needs nothing less than a few perversion-of-justice prosecutions. Followed by a Royal Commission based on the templates of the Leveson and Finkelstein Inquiries.

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:50:44 +1200 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324312#post324312 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324312#post324312 Quote from Paul Brislen's post:
"I went to Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, Singapore, Orlando, Stockholm, Hannover and Amsterdam on someone else’s ticket as a journalist. Every time I took great pains to not be swayed, but of course I was to some degree."

Thank you for your admission, and there…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:33:34 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324311#post324311 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324311#post324311 Consumer PR companies pretty much hammer the producers of the 7pm shows every day with pitches for stories on products, events, ideas. There's nothing in particular wrong with that — apart from the fact that lay viewers don't know how the stories came to be there. When you're trying to… ]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:33:13 +1200 Grant McDougall https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324302#post324302 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324302#post324302 Deborah Mahuta Coyle's day job in comms for the Petroleum Exploration and Production Association had much if any bearing on the discussion on Q&A today,

Her column in today's Sunday Star Times about what Peters will do in negotiations was utter tripe as well, nothing more than a string of vacuous…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:01:48 +1200 Steve Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324301#post324301 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324301#post324301 They knew what his day job was/is but didn’t bother to inform the audience.

Farrar is PAID by the National party for a whole lot of things. Polls sounds innocent until you know he is polling specific National policies or reactions to Labour policies.
Then on top of that Farrars…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:46:20 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324299#post324299 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324299#post324299 So, there’s a story on the TV news. People in the know will say “of course that must have started with a press release, and the reporter was simply invited along”. But people eating their dinner or shouting at the kids or otherwise in normal news-watching mode … well, we… ]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:27:13 +1200 simon g https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324292#post324292 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324292#post324292 It's that kind of level of "but nobody really cares" blather that concerns me.

Amen to that.

(Full disclosure: I am not involved in PR, or any related insider matters, but I do watch the telly and read websites and that. Also I vote and buy things. That is all).…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:51:23 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324289#post324289 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324289#post324289 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:33:04 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324285#post324285 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324285#post324285 It’s that kind of level of “but nobody really cares” blather that concerns me.

And that is the essence of Dirty Politics.

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:15:49 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324283#post324283 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324283#post324283 Yes, I think we’re talking about the wrong thing here. I’d be looking at the undeclared interests of one or two guests on The Panel, or Charles Finny “reviewing” Dirty Politics as a lobbyist clsely connected with the networks the book is about.

Agree: these things are not like the…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:14:15 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324280#post324280 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324280#post324280 Apparently she did speak against restrictions on prospecting and mining at some stage in the show.

Really? That does change things.

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:07:11 +1200 Paul Brislen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324279#post324279 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324279#post324279 I'd rage on at length about David Farrar being introduced as a "blogger" not as "National party pollster" or similar whenever he appeared on TV or radio, but that's the media at fault, not David. They knew what his day job was/is but didn't bother to inform the audience.

It's…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:05:26 +1200 Anna Connell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324278#post324278 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324278#post324278 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:04:38 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324277#post324277 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324277#post324277 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:04:12 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324276#post324276 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324276#post324276 Many of us, including PRs, spokespeople and journalists are paid, in our day jobs, to carefully manage our communications. I don’t think it precludes us from having a voice. If there’s a transactional relationship, this should be disclosed but I think it’s dangerous territory to imply jobs should over ride… ]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:02:09 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324275#post324275 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324275#post324275 Deborah Pead, under her own Twitter handle, rather than PeadPR doing a very nice round of spin

Eh, pretty sure that’s just what she really thinks.

Yeah, it is. She's not being paid to say it and has as much right as anyone else to share her opinions.

BTW, I…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:59:01 +1200 Anna Connell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324274#post324274 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324274#post324274 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:54:39 +1200 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324272#post324272 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324272#post324272 Deborah Pead, under her own Twitter handle, rather than PeadPR doing a very nice round of spin

Eh, pretty sure that's just what she really thinks.

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:45:08 +1200 Sara Bee https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324271#post324271 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324271#post324271 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:43:57 +1200 Paul Brislen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324270#post324270 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324270#post324270 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:43:21 +1200 Sara Bee https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324268#post324268 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324268#post324268 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:42:03 +1200 Anna Connell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324264#post324264 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324264#post324264 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:37:56 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324258#post324258 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324258#post324258 Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:21:54 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324252#post324252 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324252#post324252 Yet a few minutes ago on Twitter Fran O’Sullivan derides as “purist” someone asking for Q&A panelists’ PR posts or interests to be disclosed. A leading business journalist dismissing calls for disclosure of interest. What would she say about the prospect of independent voices being required?

That was very odd. I…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:06:22 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324250#post324250 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324250#post324250 Thanks Paul. We can but hope you are correct.

Yet a few minutes ago on Twitter Fran O'Sullivan derides as "purist" someone asking for Q&A panelists' PR posts or interests to be disclosed. A leading business journalist dismissing calls for disclosure of interest. What would she say about the prospect of…

]]> Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:02:37 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324249#post324249 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-end-of-trust/?p=324249#post324249 Discussion from blog post.

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