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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q> When an important person says something stupid on twitter, which could inflame hatred and anger, its gets published in the news paper.</q></p><p>It used to be called gossip, and it was denigrated as useless. The funny thing is the purpose it serves isnt well understood or is lost in the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2019 11:11:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Blogs are on the road to oblivion.</q></p><p>People said that about newspapers 20 years ago. And it's probably still true but they have had remarkable legs. Blogs are not as popular as Twitter, certainly, but they still sit there are very low cost ways for people to generate content they…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 14 May 2019 09:28:10 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>everything gets re-shared, reshaped, repeated, etc on blogs and social media</q></p><p>Paywalls thwart that.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2019 13:57:38 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p><q>Sorry to bring the Pedant Patrol down, it’s a personal bugbear…</q><br />Hey… I helped raise a wonderful grammar fanatic – it’s already filed under <em>’beneficial learning experience / don’t do that again’</em>. Meanwhile, here’s a snapshot of The Herald’s “Opinion” page right now. </p><p>Soper has a go at twisting a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2019 12:52:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I will miss a few of the serious journalists like Nippert and Fisher, and I’ll see how that goes over time. But I could never contribute to any media company which continues to publish reguritated brain farts from the likes of the Hoskings and the Sopers. I just couldn’t.</q></p><p>Quite.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2019 11:51:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Wreck Small Speakers on Expensive Stereos</q></p><p>right there with Large Rock on a Camper Van in my local fave names list..</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2019 11:12:26 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p>The guys replacing my roof managed to come up with a great one the other day: “open ya brain”. Sadly most of their discussion is not up to that level.</p><p>I do love a good band name, especially the hard-to-write ones. Why Shayne didn’t ever do a solo performance as…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2019 10:41:13 +1200</pubDate>
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						<p><q>dis stain?</q></p><p>Nah, dat stain.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2019 10:36:20 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>But, but, how else will you keep up with the ‘social morays’?</q></p><p>I'm sure eel manage it somehow.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						what, dis stain?
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2019 18:57:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<q>disdain</q>...or alternatively, after having read it, you feel the need to <em>de-stain</em> ...
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2019 18:02:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>But I could never contribute to any media company which continues to publish regurgitated brain farts from the likes of the Hoskings and the Sopers. I just couldn’t</q><br />But, but, how else will you keep up with the 'social morays'?</p><p>PS while the <em>Herald</em> is indeed a stained and disgraceful…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2019 15:08:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						<p>Excellent piece Joshua. </p><p>I've been phasing myself off <em>The Herald</em> for a while now. There was a point when it was one of my go-to morning sites for local news, back before the editorial direction threw a screaming right and veered off towards Dailymailsville. </p><p><em>The Herald's</em> policy of amplifying the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 May 2019 11:14:22 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>a better deal than the Harold is offering.</q><br />Hell they want to charge people to read a story on Shayne Carter’s book <a href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&amp;objectid=12222757" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Dead people I have known</a> and they can’t even be arsed getting the name of his band right!<br /><q>Multi-awardwinning Kiwi rocker Shayne Carter, who has been in handful of…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2019 15:28:58 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>In Chchch (well anywhere on the web I guess) there is <br /><a href="https://www.pressreader.com/catalog" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.pressreader.com/catalog</a><br />and the Library also has Press Display<br /><a href="https://login.ezproxy.christchurchcitylibraries.com/login?url=http://library.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/homepage_v2.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://login.ezproxy.christchurchcitylibraries.com/login?url=http://library.pressdisplay.com/pressdisplay/homepage_v2.aspx</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2019 15:24:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Thank you. That is certainly a better deal than the Harold is offering.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2019 11:03:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						Wellington City Libraries has a similar free service called Gateway. You can access it from home so not affected by the current closure of the main library.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2019 08:34:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Pete Sime</title>
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						Yes. I see you’re in Auckland, so the details for you are at <a href="https://www.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/Pages/enewspapers.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/Pages/enewspapers.aspx</a>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2019 18:36:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						is it free to use?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2019 17:49:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Pete Sime</title>
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						<p><q>They might grant free subscriptions to all libraries around the world, but it has to be implemented in a useful way.</q></p><p>This is already being done, but it seems that libraries aren’t so great at promoting it. There’s a service a lot of libraries in NZ subscribe to called Press…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2019 15:46:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>sinister and dangerous</q> </p><p>Forgive me for wanting a bit more specificity around your generalization.<br />But I fail to see how suggesting that articles that require some working knowledge of the science specifically climate change should have some intellectual rigor, or at least an understanding of the topic rather than ones…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2019 14:31:09 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Yeah, nah.<br />For any individual column, the definition has to rely at least partially on the reader's (perhaps unreliable) assessment of the columnist's intent, because we need to know the relationship between the columnist's expressed opinions and the facts available to the columnist. If there is no necessary relationship, or…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2019 13:41:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew  Hooton</title>
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						In between your ranty bits, you make some good points about media economics. But your definition of “shit speak” largely seems to be “things I don’t agree with or don’t think are brainy enough” and that is sinister and dangerous.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2019 11:19:47 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						<p>Leighton Smith? The New Zealand Herald defines <strong></strong>Leighton Smith<strong></strong> as 'premium content'??!!  Dream on. Personally, I'm glad the superannuated ignorant right-wing fossil is now behind a paywall. But pay for <strong>*that???</strong>*  Dream on, Granny. Is he featured in the newspaper version, BTW?:</p><p><a href="https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=12227499" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=12227499</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2019 10:37:16 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p>Excellent article <a href="https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/05/want-to-see-what-one-digital-future-for-newspapers-looks-like-look-at-the-guardian-which-isnt-losing-money-anymore/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> with the excellent news that The Guardian is making a profit without a paywall. One of their big things is soliciting donations from readers:</p><p><q>Remember that people’s financial relationship with a publication isn’t purely transactional. “You write stories I want to read, I give you money” is…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 May 2019 01:22:32 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><a href="https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/rich-guys-are-most-likely-to-have-no-idea-what-they-re-talking-about-study-suggests-20190504-p51k1i.html " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">                                                                                                                       Bullshit artist’s usually come well heeled and as its from an Aussie source let me just add 'No surprises there’</a> <br />If your quoting from a wealthy person (usually WCM’s) there’s a very strong probability its going to be spin, playing fast and loose with everything not…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2019 18:51:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>I’m trying.</q></p><p>I know, but you are one column and Young and Trevett publish multiples of trash on their own.</p>
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				<title>Simon Armstrong</title>
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						Interesting article on Wired reflecting on their experience of pay walling one year later. When they did it took me months to train my muscle memory to not visit them during daily browse and I expect same hardship with NZH. Totally worth it as their respect for analytics and crass…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2019 09:53:39 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Bart, are you saying that you won’t buy access to a bundle of great journalists because you’d prefer separate contracts for each of them?</q></p><p>No I'm saying I don't want to pay the demonstrably evil pimp based of his promise that he'll keep paying those working journalists (yeah right).</p><p>You…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 May 2019 09:19:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Armstrong</title>
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						Nice read Joshua. Reminded me of Brian Priestley (with a dollop of Jim Lahey).
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2019 22:23:45 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>David Cormack</title>
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						<p><q>Their political reckons are so fucking bad</q> </p><p>I'm trying.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 May 2019 22:20:28 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q> a wall to keep out poor people.</q></p><p>What happens outside of this pay barrier isnt of any concern to those erecting it. They will just fuss about what goes on inside it.<br />Anyway Im sure they think anyone who's having "financial difficulties"  has, in their minds, only themselves to blame.…</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>But I'm sorry I cannot bring myself to give Teh Herald any money while they continue to spread shit.</q></p><p>Moi aussi. Their political reckons are so fucking bad, I want them to curl up and die. Which would be hard on Fisher, Ng, <em>et al</em> but the rest of the…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						I'll consider paying the Herald when they sack Hosking, Hawkesby, and the rest of their shit-posters. But I'm not giving a single cent to a company which gives those pricks money, and if NZ journalism burns because they insist on doing so, then it deserves to die.
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				<title>John Small</title>
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						Bart, are you saying that you won't buy access to a bundle of great journalists because you'd prefer separate contracts for each of them?
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				<title>Craig Young</title>
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						Why can’t Leighton Smith just retire for good, the silly pompous old fart? I cheered when he finally retired from Newstalk but then NZME pulled a fast one on us and he got appointed a Herald columnist.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Libraries, coffeeshops, etc.</q></p><p>Yes! That's where I read the paper version today. So I guess not all is lost. </p><p>I don't have any answers for the fine art of journalism. I very much doubt this is going to work out for the Herald writers, when far, far more successful newspapers…</p>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						<p><q>Libraries, coffeeshops, etc.</q></p><p>There’s a subtle but important difference between “you can read the one copy of the newspaper we have” and “you can book a computer to read the online copy of the paywalled newspaper”.</p><p>My local library literally has one computer that can access some of the subscription-only…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>ETA: I’m not talking about paying for journalism if you can, I’m specifically talking about paywalls.</q></p><p>Exactly!</p><p>Give me the option of paying those journalists directly. I know I'm incredibly privileged to be able to afford that and I know that isn't perfect either but it's a whole lot better…</p>
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						<p><q>It’s more that if this doesn’t work they may not have jobs soon.</q></p><p>Yeah I've got that impression and it's causing serious cognitive dissonance.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Libraries, coffeeshops, etc.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>I do too, but here’s my issue. If we end up with good-quality journalism behind paywalls, how are poor people supposed to access it? </q></p><p>Yes, that would be like the bad old days when they literally had to buy the paper one because that's all there was.</p>
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						When the desperation hits em, after week four.
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						<p><a href="https://twitter.com/36th_Parallel/status/1123841961344086016" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Interesting tweet</a> from NZ's go-to guy on national security matters.</p><p><q>Director Paul G. Buchanan will do interviews with media that do not put his quotes behind paywalls. When he agrees to make "public" statements, he means for all, not just those who can afford to pay to read them. Do…</q></p>
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						I can't work out why, if editors need shit speech to drive engagement to earn advertising dollars, they won't at some point decide they also need shit speech to tempt people over the paywall. You might want to create a chill library, but there's still likely to be a tout…
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						<p><q>if media publishers and editors gave the merest fuck about ethics, we’d wouldn’t have this issue.</q></p><p>If we accept the current market incentives are not working to fix that, let’s regulate accordingly. If a media organisation does not want to behave like a responsible corporate citizen, they should lose some…</p>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						<p>Hmm. So they're shit because retweets and so on, ... because that gets the few cents from google adds and similar.</p><p>Is it possible that the underlying problem is in fact, google and facebook have hateful, racist, anti-science promotion algorithms written by hateful, racist, anti-science programmers?</p><p>I mean, when I…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>I have to disagree about paying Teh Herald.</q></p><p>I do too, but here’s my issue. If we end up with good-quality journalism behind paywalls, how are poor people supposed to access it? What if we risk a class-based economy of information, where the middle classes can access Matt Nippert, but…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>If they could show the $5 a week was ring fenced for those journalists behind the paywall I’d be happy to pay.</q></p><p>It's more that if this doesn't work they may not have jobs soon.</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p>I applaud your initiative wanting to point out faults that have been appearing in the media for a while now and why it has been happening, money of course. Or that it has become economically viable to go down this path. <br /> Sure people voting with their wallets may persuade the…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>I have to disagree about paying Teh Herald.</p><p>I'll pay individual journalists who don't spread shit. </p><p>I'll pay organisations who try to get it right, even if they sometimes fail.</p><p>But I'm sorry I cannot bring myself to give Teh Herald any money while they continue to spread shit.</p><p>And…</p>
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						<p>While it’s important to encourage high quality contributions to public space, there is a danger of preventing people with other points of view from participating in public life.</p><p>The main difficulty is that pressure groups will seek to police the rules in ways that unfairly advantage partisan political agendas. These…</p>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p><q>People who love this behaviour signal-boost. So do people who hate it.</q></p><p>So I had a bit of an epiphany earlier this year when I realised that my trans son was wandering past my computer quite often and reading my twitter feed. And that meant that he was in danger…</p>
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				<title>Richard Stewart</title>
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						I am hoping it might be just a little bit injurious to Mr Hosking's ego for his ill-informed belches to be classed as something less than Premium Content. Which of course they are.
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<p>Cracking post. Thanks.</p><p>A lot to discuss there, but let me just take one, because it's so true and it bugs me so much:</p><p><q>Most of the people I’ve mentioned are gifted communicators who could do so much better if they tried, or if the incentives supported them to.</q></p><p>If…</p>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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