Public Address | Cafe | Envirologue: The Agony of Vanuatu and the New Climate Colonialism https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=337106#post337106 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=337106#post337106 Its not just ruminants you know, there are "far more important" culprits...
A contestant farting on the New Zealand version of The Bachelor has made headlines worldwide.
Sigh...

]]> Sat, 21 Mar 2015 16:56:40 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=337104#post337104 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=337104#post337104 Any others.

Yes, maybe that the Jewish Cultural Marxists run Hollywood and academia, and the entire West will soon be speaking Arabic?

Seriously though, take a look at how many climate denialists also happen to have a neo-imperialist Huntingtonian 'Clash of Civilisations' outlook.

]]> Sat, 21 Mar 2015 16:00:42 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336999#post336999 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336999#post336999 Fuck the future, let them deal with it.

Further proof of this approach:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/67440563/john-key-backs-quality-standards-after-dairying-moratorium-calls

and
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/67439973/scheme-cant-pay-back-loans

]]> Thu, 19 Mar 2015 07:52:03 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336998#post336998 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336998#post336998 I’ll be dead anyway
Well seems this current crop of esteemed leader and money worshipers don't even think they will die, or they act as if they won't. Perhaps their god will come thru for them. Perhaps money can solve all ills! (time for a Tui ad). And anyway they…

]]> Thu, 19 Mar 2015 07:31:50 +1300 tussock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336996#post336996 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336996#post336996 It's not that hard to erase human beings from the planet. Wet bulb temperature of 41C does the job neatly, as with most other similar life forms.

'course, we'd have to release most of that off-shore methane in the Siberian Arctic to get there. The Russian scientists studying all have…

]]> Thu, 19 Mar 2015 01:10:13 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336994#post336994 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336994#post336994 ...dipped in honey
Gee, see less bee...
It's a shame about the bees...
Concern over an increase in the number of bee colonies disappearing mysteriously has prompted a national survey of the bee population.
...
Great concern over bee health was held internationally, including in the United States, which had…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 20:53:09 +1300 william blake https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336992#post336992 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336992#post336992 Locusts are edible.


Only if dipped in honey.

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 20:25:04 +1300 Scott Dunavan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336990#post336990 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336990#post336990 The Canterbury Plains have been clearfelled twice, most recently for dairy developments
On a cycling trip through South Canterbury last April, I was gobsmacked to see a large shelterbelt being burnt in situ, in the pouring rain, to make way for the irrigators.

Will the over adulterated soils desiccate and…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 19:55:07 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336985#post336985 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336985#post336985 Ian
In an ideal resource management environment everyone at every step from grower through to consumer would be responsible for best practice and minimising, if not eliminating, waste. Each absorbing and reflecting any and all consequential costs.
Then surely this ideal is what we should work towards – isn't that…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 18:59:23 +1300 tim https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336982#post336982 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336982#post336982 "We used to detonate atomic bombs among the Pacific peoples"

Sorry but you lost me at sentence one: when did "we" detonate atomic bombs anywhere????

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 18:10:45 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336981#post336981 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336981#post336981 Send in the cows…
for a desperate dairy rear action!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5s5qGg01nE&ab_channel=GooRooAnimation

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 18:08:36 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336980#post336980 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336980#post336980 Will the over adulterated soils desiccate and decamp for points east, sand-blasting suburban and central Chchch?

We will get, just Deserts.
;-(
(I bet you grumbled about not being able to get the camel on the bottom, as it were.)
;-)

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 18:03:20 +1300 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336978#post336978 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336978#post336978 a mixed governance model . . . with seven members elected across Canterbury at the local elections in October 2016 and six appointed by Government,” Smith said.

Stack the boards, with old boys jolly? It's what they're doing to universities.
Democracy is painfully inefficient, and you could lose, which is…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 17:31:36 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336976#post336976 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336976#post336976 I note the Government is thinking of sinking more money into the Central Plains Water (CPW) scheme in Canterbury.
Which will explain this story:
The Government wants a mixed governance structure for Environment Canterbury (ECan), with some members elected and others appointed, it has announced.
Environment Minister Dr Nick Smith…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:25:29 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336975#post336975 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336975#post336975 since its setup specifically excludes any possibility of actual knowledge concerning the outcomes

No, it’s the same. If there is a heaven or hell then you will know about it after you die. All that’s excluded is foreknowledge, and we have the same situation here. But we do have science…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:14:58 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336973#post336973 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336973#post336973 enter a camel…
it’s a horse with no mane…
Which brings me full circle to unjust desertifications!
(Well I was headed there, but got sidetracked,
one always gets tan gents in the desert!)

I note the Government is [[http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/67435012/Crown-may-commit-millions-more-to-Canterbury-irrigation-scheme|thinking of sinking more money into the Central Plains Water (CPW) scheme…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:11:31 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336972#post336972 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336972#post336972 If it is man-made, and we don’t tackle the root cause, it will progress to a catastrophic result

I'll give you that it could progress to that. It's not certain that it would be catastrophic. If the process is very slow and doesn't involve any particularly disastrous incidents, then the…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:02:37 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336969#post336969 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336969#post336969 Same sort of cost-benefit structure as Pascal’s Wager
(though that might not be the specific case you were thinking of, since its setup specifically excludes any possibility of actual knowledge concerning the outcomes).

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:49:30 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336967#post336967 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336967#post336967 One hump or two?
It’s easier for a rich man to enter a camel...

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:45:43 +1300 TracyMac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336964#post336964 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336964#post336964 Regarding the 'climate change due to people is tosh' and 'we're wasting money on this' arguments, there is the 'most cost' counterargument.

There's a formal name for the argument, but I don't remember it right now. What you so is line up all the possibilities and add up the cost,…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:39:25 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336962#post336962 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336962#post336962 :- b
Alliterative allusions aside, my perceptive pal the principal
is perpetually perturbed by the principality’s principled
The eye of a needle is the section of a sewing needle formed into a loop for pulling thread, located at the end opposite the point. These loops are often shaped like an…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:36:13 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336956#post336956 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336956#post336956 Inertia drives demand from the damned
& the guardianship of sequestered Gravity...
Gravity causes the phenomenon of natural precession (precession not using a man-made forcing torque). It is common knowledge that a spinning precessing rotor has a reduced level of inertia and angular momentum in the direction of precession…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 15:09:12 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336955#post336955 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336955#post336955 Does the meat or dairy consumer have no personal responsibility for the GHG emission
Desire drives demand from the damned
& the guardianship of sequestered energy...
In an ideal resource management environment everyone at every step from grower through to consumer would be responsible for best practice and minimising, if not…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 14:55:04 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336954#post336954 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336954#post336954 Amanda – not my field of expertise so I shouldn’t really pass on half-remembered anecdote. Maybe start your Google search here.
Thanks st ephen . Always good to have a starting point.

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 14:14:06 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336952#post336952 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336952#post336952 I’m saying that producers should be entirely liable for the pollution they cause in the prosecution of their business

I've no problem with producers being liable for their emissions. You previously seemed to propose that they shouldn't be allowed to pass on these costs to the consumer. Does the meat…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:50:28 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336946#post336946 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336946#post336946 But the value of the farm is based on the amount of milk produced not the profit, so they make more milk and lose more money in order to be able to sell their farm for a higher profit.

That would make sense for the few months the farm was…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 12:07:56 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336945#post336945 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336945#post336945 BJ: Flouridation of drinking water…
Ian: But flour and water is the basis of breadmaking!!
BJ: There you go wallpapering over my mistakes again.
Yeh… I did think of commenting myself,
but was concerned it might come across as slurry.

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:58:00 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336944#post336944 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336944#post336944 Reality tends to show the error of faith based reasoning, even if it does take time, and cause unnecessary suffering, which the policies endorsed by the IPCC have demonstrably done.
Reality tends to show the error of faith based reasoning, even if it does take time, and cause unnecessary suffering,…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:56:10 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336943#post336943 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336943#post336943 But the value of the farm is based on the amount of milk produced not the profit, so they make more milk and lose more money in order to be able to sell their farm for a higher profit.

Yes, I've seen it fairly convincingly demonstrated that the real money…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:44:47 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336942#post336942 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336942#post336942 ...diaspora of hundreds of millions of people needing food and water.
I hear that locusts are edible...

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:41:10 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336940#post336940 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336940#post336940 Clearly a freehold farm producing twice the milk of another freehold farm the same size is going to be making more money.

Ok I am not a dairy farmer but my understanding was that some dairy farms do make a net loss and the loss is bigger with more cows…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 11:03:31 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336939#post336939 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336939#post336939 But flour and water is the basis of breadmaking!!
:- )

There you go wallpapering over my mistakes again.

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:59:28 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336938#post336938 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336938#post336938 putting a damper on things...
Flouridation of drinking water is bad for your health
But flour and water is the basis of breadmaking!!
:- )

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:55:59 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336937#post336937 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336937#post336937 I’m not suggesting it’s OK

Of course you weren't, and I'm not suggesting you were :-) I thought I was elaborating on your point.

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:54:11 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336935#post336935 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336935#post336935 We can adapt to anything.

Yes, I don’t think many scientists would suggest that we actually wouldn’t survive a climate change disaster – it’s not an extinction level event for our species. But that doesn’t make it OK.

I'm not suggesting it's OK, My understanding of Flannery's take, which was…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:46:57 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336934#post336934 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336934#post336934 We can adapt to anything.

Yes, I don't think many scientists would suggest that we actually wouldn't survive a climate change disaster – it's not an extinction level event for our species. But that doesn't make it OK. The people of Vanuatu will pull through, but this is still a…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:40:46 +1300 Dave Hansford https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336933#post336933 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336933#post336933 Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:32:35 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336931#post336931 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336931#post336931 Paleolithic humans were healthier than modern humans

Not meaning to threadjack, but mention of the paleo diet always reminds me of Tim Flannery’s meeting with genuine cannibals in the Niugini highlands. The man of a village household described how they’d resort to cannibalism when times were tough. A neighbouring tribe…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:04:24 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336930#post336930 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336930#post336930 I’ve read a number of pieces that suggest that most dairy farms do not produce milk at a profit, the business only makes a profit because of the capital gains on the farmland.

That could only be because of debt servicing, though. Clearly a freehold farm producing twice the milk…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 10:01:48 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336929#post336929 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336929#post336929 That’s GE crops you’re talking about?

Not necessarily. But certainly if we used gene transfer it would be much quicker and easier.

Worth noting that if we plan to sell the tech overseas then the fact that it is GMO is not relevant for China, USA, most of South America…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:54:26 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336927#post336927 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336927#post336927 Regarding the costs of de-stocking: there are plenty of examples and studies around showing that diary, at least, doesn’t necessarily have to be intensive to be profitable.

I've read a number of pieces that suggest that most dairy farms do not produce milk at a profit, the business only makes…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:45:10 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336926#post336926 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336926#post336926 There is in fact no empirical evidence for CO2 being the problem it is touted to be

And GMO foods have been proven to be dangerous
Vaccination causes autism
Flouridation of drinking water is bad for your health
Trickle down economics works
Traveling at speeds over 15 mph is unnatural…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:41:39 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336925#post336925 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336925#post336925 Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:37:22 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336924#post336924 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336924#post336924 how many other ‘deals’ has he got the math wrong on?
I do despair at times…

Well there were those assets he sold that were going to make simply squillions for us all ...

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:34:48 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336923#post336923 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336923#post336923 The way ‘we’ borrow I have no idea what the plan is for paying it all back (or if there even is one, or what we used as collateral in lieu)

Paying it back is what the other government does when National isn't in power – really I thought that…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:32:02 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336922#post336922 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336922#post336922 What do you propose we do about these huge stock numbers?

I've said it here a number of times (yeah sorry), the best thing NZ could do about methane emissions from ruminants is leverage our existing scientific expertise to develop low methane producing grasses and low methane producing rumin bacteria.…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:30:49 +1300 st ephen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336920#post336920 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336920#post336920 here. ]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 09:06:14 +1300 william blake https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336918#post336918 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336918#post336918 http://www.un.org/en/events/desertificationday/background.shtml

A major part of desertification comes from changes in the weather patterns. The consequences will be diaspora of hundreds of millions of people needing food and water. This is bound to cause strife.

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 08:27:39 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336915#post336915 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336915#post336915 New in the Washington Post:

The melting of Antarctica was already really bad. It just got worse.

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 07:20:58 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336914#post336914 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336914#post336914 Hi Amanda: of course, this Government has gone to great lengths to ensure that it WON'T assume any liabilities for emissions to date – and I suspect it will certainly push to have anything out to at least 2020 written off as well – especially from ag. emissions.

What if…

]]> Wed, 18 Mar 2015 01:15:02 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336912#post336912 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336912#post336912 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 23:10:57 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336909#post336909 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336909#post336909 I wouldn’t be surprised to see them simply externalise any extra costs/liabilities upon domestic consumers in exactly the same way, assuming of course that they’re ever forced to start accounting for their own climate pollution.
I’m a bit confused here.

So you are saying that the farmer is entirely liable…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 21:52:26 +1300 Dave Hansford https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336908#post336908 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336908#post336908 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 21:30:06 +1300 Dave Hansford https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336907#post336907 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336907#post336907 Hi Amanda: of course, this Government has gone to great lengths to ensure that it WON'T assume any liabilities for emissions to date – and I suspect it will certainly push to have anything out to at least 2020 written off as well – especially from ag. emissions.

Regarding the…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 21:28:50 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336903#post336903 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336903#post336903 Hi st ephen
There is a feeling that the estimated GWP grossly over-estimates methane’s contribution to damaging climate change (a view held by more than just dairy farmers and climate change deniers).
What makes you think this? Anywhere I can reference it?

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 20:13:01 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336902#post336902 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336902#post336902 Hi Andre

The dairy farmers and manufacturers have a monopoly that extends to retail, FMCG etc. Now cattle and sheep farmers want a monopoly too.
It's not a monopoly – more a co-operative. Gets you better bargaining power. Think of it like a trade union but with more excrement.

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 20:03:04 +1300 st ephen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336901#post336901 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336901#post336901 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 20:02:28 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336900#post336900 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336900#post336900 There is in fact no empirical evidence for CO2 being the problem it is touted to be, and no statistically significant global warming for two decades
Thanks for that Pete. Have a nice evening.

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 19:54:25 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336899#post336899 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336899#post336899 GST on a $1.29 iTunes purchase would only be about 2 cents!!!

Maybe he pays a different rate... Wizards have ways...

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 19:50:46 +1300 Peter Shaw https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336898#post336898 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336898#post336898 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 19:48:55 +1300 Andre https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336897#post336897 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336897#post336897 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 19:47:43 +1300 st ephen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336896#post336896 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336896#post336896 The New Zealand delegation believes that the current “weighting” applied to methane is open to debate.
I'm not sure what the NZ delegation is arguing, but the Global Warming Potential of methane (according to the Science and wikipedia) is somewhere between 7.6 and 86 depending on the horizon you use…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 19:39:53 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336895#post336895 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336895#post336895 a dark day and a hard days night…
That’s a bit dark Ian!
Have you had a hard day?
Just watching our math wizard, ex-money trader leader tell us (on National News) that the GST on a $1.29 iTunes purchase would only be about 2 cents!!!
That’s 19 cents thanks…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 19:30:39 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336894#post336894 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336894#post336894 Thanks William.

Are you thinking that extinction of Homo sapiens is a possibility? I don't think the IPCC reports suggests anything quite that dramatic.

I'm happily doing my bit to keep the numbers down – the buck stops here...

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 19:11:59 +1300 william blake https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336893#post336893 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336893#post336893 Sorry to Wiki a reply but it's a reasonable look at mass extinctions on Earth.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 18:50:26 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336892#post336892 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336892#post336892 Hi Dave.

Methane emissions from livestock will obviously increase NZ’s liability under any future GHG reduction agreement (hopefully signed in Paris). The primary way to reduce these emissions is through stock number reduction. This will impose a penalty on NZ’s economy. Presumably the ‘polluter pays’ aspect of this policy is…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 18:47:57 +1300 Dave Hansford https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336890#post336890 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336890#post336890 Hi Samuel: Here, I'm talking about metrics, which can be thought of as a ‘common currency’, or ‘exchange rate’ that allows emissions of different gases to be compared and traded in a common market.

Metrics help answer important questions: how much weight should a country give to reducing methane emissions,…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 18:15:49 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336888#post336888 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336888#post336888 …but isn’t that what wars are for – wiping the slate clean?
(and reducing the population)
That's a bit dark Ian!
Have you had a hard day?

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 17:53:39 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336886#post336886 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336886#post336886 the cornered dairy...
...how will we service our massive national debt?
The way 'we' borrow I have no idea what the plan is for paying it all back (or if there even is one, or what we used as collateral in lieu)...
...but isn't that what wars are for -…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 17:47:00 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336884#post336884 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336884#post336884 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 17:39:18 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336883#post336883 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336883#post336883 the Anty dote...
About the only way to reduce that emission is to have fewer ruminants.
this made me ruminate about insects and ants and, well, who knew?
Using ants to help capture CO2 and help fight global warming stems from a study Dorn published recently in Geology linking…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 17:37:47 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336882#post336882 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336882#post336882 the Moo Synthesiser...
There were 6.4 million dairy cattle in New Zealand at 30 June 2012, up 23 percent (1.2 million) from the total of 5.3 million in 2007. The additional 1.1 million dairy cows will produce around four times the total amount of milk that New Zealanders consume each…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 17:27:24 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336880#post336880 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336880#post336880 Reducing CO2 emissions is mostly about not burning fossil fuels and there are a lot of solutions for that

Yup. This.

Sadly, many just don't grasp the lifestyle changes we need to make to enable this to happen. I'm tired of reading Facebook posts extolling the virtues of leading a…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 17:18:49 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336877#post336877 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336877#post336877 but if left alone nature will reduce the worlds population until it is back in balance, as it has done before.

Care to give an example William?

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:47:44 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336875#post336875 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336875#post336875 Surely that is something that is determined with science, not by the UN?

Science, schmience. The interests of National voters are at stake here. Why should we let physics stand in our way?

There is a shred of logic in their argument. Reducing CO2 emissions is mostly about not burning…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:39:04 +1300 Dave Hansford https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336874#post336874 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336874#post336874 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:34:44 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336873#post336873 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336873#post336873 we’re the largest global trader in dairy, but not the biggest producer by some margin

I’m afraid I’m ignorent of why there is a big difference. Would someone mind explaining?

Most countries who produce dairy products sell them within the country of origin. So several countries produce and sell huge…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:32:16 +1300 Amanda Wreckonwith https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336872#post336872 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336872#post336872 I’m afraid I’m ignorent of why there is a big difference. Would someone mind explaining?

India produces over twice as much milk as NZ but they export very little (as they consume the large majority of it) – hence their global trade in dairy is much less than NZ.

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:31:47 +1300 Euan Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336871#post336871 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336871#post336871 Um..what the hell does this mean?

It also seeks to have the warming effect of methane – one of New Zealand’s most voluminous pollutants – redefined so as to lessen our total emissions.

Surely that is something that is determined with science, not by the UN?

Science, schmience. The interests…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:22:39 +1300 Samuel Buckman https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336870#post336870 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336870#post336870 Um..what the hell does this mean?
It also seeks to have the warming effect of methane – one of New Zealand’s most voluminous pollutants – redefined so as to lessen our total emissions.
Surely that is something that is determined with science, not by the UN?

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:08:20 +1300 Samuel Buckman https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336868#post336868 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336868#post336868 we’re the largest global trader in dairy, but not the biggest producer by some margin
I’m afraid I’m ignorent of why there is a big difference. Would someone mind explaining?

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 15:40:59 +1300 Peter Malcolm https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336865#post336865 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336865#post336865 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 14:59:08 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336864#post336864 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336864#post336864 More input:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/mar/16/climate-change-in-the-arctic-is-messing-with-our-weather
POTSDAM, Germany, March 16 (UPI) — Researchers with the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research say melting ice caps are pacifying summer storm activity in the Western Hemisphere. It seems like a positive implication. But what sounds like a recipe for more pleasant weather is really an…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 14:41:46 +1300 Dave Hansford https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336862#post336862 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336862#post336862 http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/9939453/Kiwis-big-greenhouse-emitters ]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 14:09:02 +1300 LizR https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336858#post336858 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336858#post336858 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:40:39 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336856#post336856 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336856#post336856 A worthwhile read...
Why Do Many Reasonable People Doubt Science?
We live in an age when all manner of scientific knowledge—from climate change to vaccinations—faces furious opposition.
Some even have doubts about the moon landing.

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:39:19 +1300 LizR https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336855#post336855 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336855#post336855 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:39:05 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336853#post336853 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336853#post336853 I don't think that's quite fair, Steve.

I had been tracking this cyclone for a few days previous to it striking Vanuatu and couldn't understand why the Met service was saying it would track that far east as the small cyclone off the northern coast of Australia would tend to…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:31:33 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336852#post336852 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336852#post336852 Our actual emissions are irrelevant.

But being part of the club that take climate change seriously is not irrelevant.

And most importantly we could develop innovations to reduce our emissions that could be applied worldwide, proven on our small (irrelevant) farms.

The problem has always been our politicians are not…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:27:52 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336850#post336850 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336850#post336850 I really can't see the problem. Climate change has and continues to be observed and is inextricably linked to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
The human race has been pumping CO2 into the atmosphere for over 200 years and has increased that amount year after year.
Whether or…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:25:59 +1300 Carol Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336848#post336848 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336848#post336848 My first thought was "Why didn't they get out earlier?" I was gobsmacked to hear the next statement. "Nobody knew it was going to be this bad, the first thing we knew it was on us, nobody was prepared"

I don't think that's quite fair, Steve. One of my colleagues…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:22:44 +1300 LizR https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336846#post336846 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336846#post336846 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:12:52 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336843#post336843 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336843#post336843 On a side note...
I was appalled this morning when I watched the early News..
49 "Kiwis" were flown home on a Hercules aircraft.
My first thought was "Why didn't they get out earlier?" I was gobsmacked to hear the next statement. "Nobody knew it was going to be this…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 13:02:49 +1300 Euan Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336840#post336840 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336840#post336840 But if NZ just vanished it would not make one iota's difference to what happens next – climate wise.

Any small group of people anywhere could say this, and yet we all contribute to the problem. Per capita we in NZ contribute far more than most. This is a shameful…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:50:47 +1300 Dave Hansford https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336839#post336839 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336839#post336839 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:48:48 +1300 william blake https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336838#post336838 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336838#post336838 Yes climate change. Yes much to do.

The population of Tuvalu in 1950 was less than 5,000. Global population growth is implicated in spiralling consumption based on petrochemicals, which increase climate change but also demand that people live in greater vulnerability. Both economically and literally, with poor housing in places…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:40:08 +1300 cindy baxter https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336836#post336836 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336836#post336836 Ian/Martin

The other side of this "if we disappeared there'd be no impact on global emissions" argument is how New Zealand behaves at the climate talks.

So the UNFCCC's a consensus-driven process (yes, I know, it ought to not be, but the rule introducing a vote-based decisionmaking process has been…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:23:24 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336835#post336835 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336835#post336835 Thank you for this beautifully written, very important and moving statement.

Thanks for popping in Tom :-)

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:17:50 +1300 Gareth https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336833#post336833 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336833#post336833 Good to have you back on the climate beat, Dave.

Ian/Martin: The problem is that the present government long ago decided that climate change was a foreign policy problem, and that the best course of action – that is, the course of least aggravation for their supporters – would be…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 12:06:49 +1300 Martin Connelly https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336830#post336830 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336830#post336830 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:41:23 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336825#post336825 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336825#post336825 Stormy weather…
Last year it was announced (alleged?) that aerosol pollution from China was creating bigger storms in the pacific and affecting North American weather, and ours also as the bigger storm tracks were pushing the storms towards both arctic regions – just as we have seen in recent years.…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 11:20:07 +1300 Tom Bennion https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336808#post336808 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336808#post336808 Thank you for this beautifully written, very important and moving statement.

Also see the Guardian newspaper this morning. When you load up the front page it displays a major campaign asking the Gates Foundation to divest from fossil fuels. Bill McKibben is tweeting that Oxford's University's former Director of Finance…

]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:35:14 +1300 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336799#post336799 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336799#post336799 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:20:56 +1300 Peter Griffin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336794#post336794 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336794#post336794 http://www.sciencemediacentre.co.nz/2015/03/17/vanuatu-pam-and-climate-change-expert-reaction/ ]]> Tue, 17 Mar 2015 10:03:11 +1300 Marianne Elliott https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336790#post336790 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336790#post336790 Tue, 17 Mar 2015 09:58:33 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336789#post336789 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-the-agony-of-vanuatu-and-the-new/?p=336789#post336789 Discussion from blog post.

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