Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: Sex with the office lights on: Yes, you can have a reasonable expectation of privacy in a publicly visible place https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335430#post335430 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335430#post335430 Garner and grains of truth…
Doing the deed in Parliament as a scrub is what it is, dishing the dirt on yourself rocking the coitus in Bowen House for an op-ed piece...
One wonders if that is the backstory to the change in cleaners at the Beehive – perhaps to…

]]> Tue, 10 Feb 2015 11:17:02 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335359#post335359 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335359#post335359 Still, to the journos, if actual news isn’t quite your style and you’d prefer to be offering opinions, dominating the national discourse with triviality, reaping those hits, stirring up saucy debate, dancing on the graves of marriages, relationships, and our public offices, then congratulations on these, your mighty and profound… ]]> Mon, 09 Feb 2015 10:49:48 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335327#post335327 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335327#post335327 Duncan Garner

Articles dealing with the legal implications aside, it’s been quite remarkable to see this glut of journalists lining up to hurl their neatly bundled journalistic reputations onto the bonfire – a show of hands to fill positions at Woman’s Day and the like.

Uploading to a Social media…

]]> Sun, 08 Feb 2015 18:06:05 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335321#post335321 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335321#post335321 carpet-burn
Shag pile?

]]> Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:04:42 +1300 Phil Wallington https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335319#post335319 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335319#post335319 Sat, 07 Feb 2015 17:13:14 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335315#post335315 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335315#post335315 such a story from his Gallery days, with pervy Farrar the teller of tales. ]]> Sat, 07 Feb 2015 11:59:43 +1300 Phil Wallington https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335314#post335314 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335314#post335314 Sat, 07 Feb 2015 11:12:19 +1300 tussock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335294#post335294 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335294#post335294 Imagine if the pub-crowd had merely had a giggle and a good story to tell their families when they got home.

Pics or it didn't happen. Carefully 'shopped for the kids (and youtube), of course, as a teaching lesson about privacy expectations in the modern world. Blur their identity and…

]]> Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:37:21 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335287#post335287 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335287#post335287
Oh, you mean the 1970’s where The Truth maliciously “outed” Marilyn Waring, who could have been legally fired for being a lesbian if she wasn’t an MP or charged with a crime if she was a man?

In 1976. In the quaint parlance of the era Waring was alleged to…

]]> Thu, 05 Feb 2015 11:04:26 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335283#post335283 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335283#post335283 Hosking v Runting

It always, eventually, comes back to Hosking v Runting ...

]]> Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:30:27 +1300 Rick Shera https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335279#post335279 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335279#post335279 OK, I'll bite Andrew ;-)

If the Hosking v Runting/Andrews line is accepted, there are some circumstances where something that happens in public should be accorded privacy protection. One could argue that this did not occur in public anyway since the action took place in private premises. But, even if…

]]> Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:39:48 +1300 Grant McDougall https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335277#post335277 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335277#post335277 from memory the dance floor in the Provincial (the basement) was about the size of my flat kitchen at the time …. it was likely a small crowd

No, it was actually the reasonably large upstairs bar, which could fit about 300 or so in it, IIRC.

]]> Thu, 05 Feb 2015 07:44:30 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335275#post335275 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335275#post335275 Oh, you mean the 1970’s where The Truth maliciously “outed” Marilyn Waring,

Specifically that 1970s when – technology lacking – this type of parasitic behaviour was more or less exclusively the domain of scumbag ‘professionals’, as opposed to a practice willfully emulated by hoards of amateurs for shits and giggles.…

]]> Thu, 05 Feb 2015 04:21:42 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335268#post335268 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335268#post335268 Might work for a niche market.
I gotta say that, dammit, these
IF THE BUILDING'S ROCKIN"
DON"T BOTHER KNOCKIN"
signs just aren't selling at all...

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:21:36 +1300 Just thinking https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335266#post335266 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335266#post335266 These guys and dolls had their office building collapse around them, killing some of their works mates, the PGC building four years ago to the week. This may well be what the shrinks have been talking about with on going stress post quake.

The other
news from the story, we're…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 21:00:54 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335264#post335264 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335264#post335264 If you have a large sign on the front of the building saying:

NO LOOKING, WE'RE NOOKING

does that alter the legal position?

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:45:23 +1300 81stcolumn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335263#post335263 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335263#post335263 All I can say is "Eeuw".

Similar event in the front rows of a Rolling Stones concert.

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:38:33 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335262#post335262 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335262#post335262 Back in the late ’80s, a mate of mine was playing in a covers band at The Provincial pub in Dunedin, one Friday evening. During their set, the crowd slowly parted…to reveal a couple “in congress” in the middle of the dance floor.

from memory the dance floor in the…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:24:53 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335261#post335261 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335261#post335261 All I can say is “Eeuw”.

Perhaps in the 80's ,now , if it's in ear shot, it's normally " GET A ROOM!!"
I think had I been in that pub, I think I would have walked across the road and banged on the window.
Disclaimer, most of our family…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:10:50 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335260#post335260 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335260#post335260 …has the makings of a winning tourism advertisement targeting those planning a trip to the 1970s

Oh, you mean the 1970's where The Truth maliciously "outed" Marilyn Waring, who could have been legally fired for being a lesbian if she wasn't an MP or charged with a crime if she…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:04:25 +1300 Grant McDougall https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335259#post335259 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335259#post335259 Imagine if no one had got their phone out. Imagine if the pub-crowd had merely had a giggle and a good story to tell their families when they got home.

There is, believe it or not, precedence for this...

Back in the late '80s, a mate of mine was playing…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:51:46 +1300 Ross Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335258#post335258 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335258#post335258 Somewhere between the Savannah and the Carlton Pub sex became private. Does anyone know when we stopped (while “civilisationing” ourselves that is)?

Good to see Southerly’s lessons from The Physics of Light being used to illuminate.

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:12:26 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335255#post335255 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335255#post335255 Absolutely Lilth __, what are we coming to as a species? Vigilante wannabe secret agents. I appreciated Pam Corkery’s bemoaning of the ’broadcasters’ and especially your succinctness:

Peeps can choose to be kind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r3fsQcmhpg

Possibly not what Pumkinhead had in mind but.

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 17:52:22 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335254#post335254 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335254#post335254 a winning tourism advertisement
NZ 100% PUERILE

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 17:49:41 +1300 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335251#post335251 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335251#post335251 Imagine if no one had got their phone out. Imagine if the pub-crowd had merely had a giggle and a good story to tell their families when they got home.

…has the makings of a winning tourism advertisement targeting those planning a trip to the 1970s

We still have a…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 17:04:26 +1300 mark taslov https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335248#post335248 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335248#post335248 Imagine if no one had got their phone out. Imagine if the pub-crowd had merely had a giggle and a good story to tell their families when they got home.

…has the makings of a winning tourism advertisement targeting those planning a trip to the 1970s

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:34:50 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335242#post335242 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335242#post335242 People who live in glass houses…
a spooner full of sugar!
Once there was an Hawaiian king whose hobby was collecting thrones, which he stored in the attic of his hut. Unfortunately, this hobby became an obsession, and greed got the better of him, when the weight of the thrones…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:01:44 +1300 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335238#post335238 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335238#post335238 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 14:55:00 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335236#post335236 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335236#post335236 What strikes me about this is the willingness of people to judge.

They were bad to have sex in the office – I would never do that
They were stupid to ... – I would never do that
They filmed the couple having sex ... – I would never do…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 14:51:04 +1300 Murray Cameron https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335233#post335233 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335233#post335233 In the immortal words of Ronnie Barker...

"People who live in glass houses... shouldn't."

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 13:50:06 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335225#post335225 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335225#post335225 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:29:11 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335224#post335224 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335224#post335224 Though I do feel there was a huge lack of empathy on the part of those who posted the videos in the public domain ...

Pam Corkery penned her dislike of the Pub patrons actions and the comments section indicates just how uncaring some people are.
Also as noted in…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:15:09 +1300 Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335223#post335223 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335223#post335223 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 12:15:05 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335220#post335220 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335220#post335220 It’s the old ‘don’t be a dick’ rule really – technology allows us to do stuff too easily that a little a thought might preclude…

Absolutely. You can soundly argue that the law can’t anticipate technology, and how people will (ab)use it, and whenever legislators try they create more problems…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:53:36 +1300 Paul Paul https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335219#post335219 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335219#post335219 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:51:59 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335218#post335218 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335218#post335218 The problem then is can a senior insurance manager be considered reasonable and that the setting of the sun is a force majeure.
It could just be their mindset, insurance companies are f**king lots of people in Chchch, one way or another – perhaps it is just a case of…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:49:43 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335217#post335217 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335217#post335217 People in glass houses…
Can a place of work be a ‘dwellinghouse’?
Peeping or peering into dwellinghouse
(1)Every person is liable to a fine not exceeding $500 who is found by night without reasonable excuse—
(a)peeping or peering into a dwellinghouse; or
(b)loitering on any land on which a dwellinghouse…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:42:54 +1300 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335216#post335216 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335216#post335216 seems reasonable
NY Post think it could be so too

It is understood that the pair thought the tinted windows in the office would stop anyone from looking in, TVNZ reported.

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:42:29 +1300 TracyMac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335215#post335215 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335215#post335215 Good summary. And yeah, I'm with Craig on the whole filming and disseminating someone engaged in sexual activity without their consent really sucks aspect.

The law shouldn't need to be invoked.

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:41:59 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335211#post335211 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335211#post335211 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:23:53 +1300 Steve Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335210#post335210 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335210#post335210 Somehow there has been a mix up of privacy of words spoken:

He went on to apply that law to the Andrews’ case and said that, even though the accident occurred in a public place, the couple’s conversations were still private:

And privacy of images, which is the substance in…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:19:32 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335208#post335208 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335208#post335208 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:12:04 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335206#post335206 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335206#post335206 and therefore "expected" that their activities would also not be visible at night.

Really?

Do you really think there was that much thought involved?

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 11:07:53 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335205#post335205 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335205#post335205 t's entirely possible that the couple in question were fully aware that the office interior wasn't visible during the day, and therefore "expected" that their activities would also not be visible at night.

seems reasonable

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:58:12 +1300 David Haywood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335203#post335203 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335203#post335203 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:32:48 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335202#post335202 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335202#post335202 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 10:11:55 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335201#post335201 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335201#post335201 discusses this. Useful commenters too. ]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:50:41 +1300 Grant McDougall https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335199#post335199 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335199#post335199 it'd appear. ]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 08:43:07 +1300 Andrew Easterbrook https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335198#post335198 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335198#post335198 I’m not sure I agree with Nicole on the civil aspects.

I agree that “just because a bunch of people in a bar happened to see two people having sex, doesn’t mean it’s okay to film them and post the clip on YouTube.” Agreed on the offensiveness part too.

But…

]]> Wed, 04 Feb 2015 08:40:51 +1300 Bevan https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335197#post335197 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335197#post335197 Wed, 04 Feb 2015 08:25:41 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335196#post335196 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-with-the-office-lights-on-yes/?p=335196#post335196 Discussion from blog post.

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