Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: Sex, monsters and outrage https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address tony j ricketts https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340742#post340742 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340742#post340742 Wed, 20 May 2015 15:02:56 +1200 Joe Boden https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340732#post340732 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340732#post340732 And according to another SEN post the same school, just in the last week, put on some sort of whole-school show run by Equippers church.

My kids go to this school so I know a bit about what's been happening.

The session run during the school day had no actual…

]]> Wed, 20 May 2015 12:35:16 +1200 Lucy Telfar Barnard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340718#post340718 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340718#post340718 Steve and Lilith, I think your discussion of the meaning of the words “discrimination” and “hate speech” is a case of two rights making a wrong.

Lilith’s definitions of the two words are correct. Steve is also correct that New Zealand laws on hate speech (inciting “Racial Disharmony” in the…

]]> Wed, 20 May 2015 08:41:30 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340716#post340716 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340716#post340716 Yes, I think that's a good argument in theory but it backfired here for at least one student. There's also the relieving teacher being asked to teach this vileness without the necessary skills or context. I've been a relieving teacher and it's often baby-sitting if you're taking something out of… ]]> Wed, 20 May 2015 01:34:53 +1200 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340715#post340715 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340715#post340715 There is no discrimination period. Some people have no idea of the meaning of words.

Spreading wacko views about unmarried woman isnt hate speech , it isnt discrimination either.

Since we must go down this route, Hate Speech:

Hate speech is, outside the law, speech that attacks a person or…

]]> Wed, 20 May 2015 00:28:50 +1200 Cecelia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340712#post340712 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340712#post340712 Tue, 19 May 2015 22:48:31 +1200 Steve Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340708#post340708 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340708#post340708 Official discrimination, no. De facto discrimination, maybe

There is no discrimination period. Some people have no idea of the meaning of words.

Spreading wacko views about unmarried woman isnt hate speech , it isnt discrimination either. It was a pamphlet under a windscreen wiper.
Discrimination involves doing something to a…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 21:35:13 +1200 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340707#post340707 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340707#post340707 I think it’s sinister and that it’s dangerous for Year 11 students to be exposed to anything by these people.

Do you not think most 13 year olds have already heard this kind of stuff? And having it given some kind of context, being asked to think critically about it,…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 21:20:25 +1200 Cecelia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340705#post340705 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340705#post340705 http://www.biblebaptistpublications.org/homosexuality.html

This from the organisation from which the pamphlet originated. I think it's sinister and that it's dangerous for Year 11 students to be exposed to anything by these people. Maybe at Year 13 in a very controlled environment. To enable a relieving teacher to use it is careless.

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 21:08:19 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340703#post340703 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340703#post340703 There is no evidence here of actual discrimination to unwed mothers.
Having wacko views and spreading them around isn't hate speech , which in NZ only covers those inciting abusive and threatening language because of someones colour race, national or ethnic origins.

Official discrimination, no. De facto discrimination, maybe. Although…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 20:42:48 +1200 Steve Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340700#post340700 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340700#post340700 Yes, the pamphlet sucks. It’s bordering on hate speech

Bordering on hate speech ??? Someone has got themselves in a twist if they think its. 'borderline'. Quite the reverse in that the Freedom of Expression fully entitles them to give information or opinion of any kind and in any form.…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 20:33:36 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340698#post340698 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340698#post340698 Lynley Bilby, for one – education round seems one of her focuses. ]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 20:20:38 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340697#post340697 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340697#post340697 TEAR Fund

Interesting. Do they get their TV adverts for free?

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 20:11:54 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340688#post340688 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340688#post340688 DO we know the names of the reporters and editors who put this shit together?

In no way suggesting harassment but useful to know who is likely to try and deceive simply to get more hits.

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 17:23:43 +1200 Joshua Drummond https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340687#post340687 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340687#post340687 I think the next question to ask is "How much did the school pay for the pamphlets?

I can field that one: they were free (this kind of material usually is.) In this case – as one of the stories points out – the teacher of the class found them…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 16:47:17 +1200 Greville Whittle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340681#post340681 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340681#post340681 Bottom line is that I don't like the way that people with a proselytizing agenda worm their way into schools either

I agree, we know where the pamphlets came from. I think the next question to ask is "How much did the school pay for the pamphlets?' I think it's…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 15:53:00 +1200 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340678#post340678 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340678#post340678 Smith is going in to bat for his school and his staff under media pressure

What a pity the school, parents and teachers can’t be allowed to sort it out between themselves. RL should not be confused with reality television, where we all have the right to see, hear, and…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 15:03:06 +1200 Joshua Drummond https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340669#post340669 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340669#post340669 Smith says this was just a case of one student not having a clear understanding of the material."

I feel like he misspoke. It's far from an ideal response, but when journalists are crawling over your every statement and you're perhaps not used to fronting media pressure this is going…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 14:26:37 +1200 David Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340666#post340666 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340666#post340666 Tue, 19 May 2015 14:17:20 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340664#post340664 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340664#post340664 I certainly will, starting with giving myself a stern rap over the knuckles for not having the bullshit detector fully engaged when this first dropped. But you know why I was hard on Chris: Because it really sounded way out of character from someone I knew casually back in our… ]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 14:10:15 +1200 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340660#post340660 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340660#post340660 So many people have gotten beside themselves with rage and yet nobody in the story has actually done anything wrong. The most that's happened is a misunderstanding.

Yes, the pamphlet sucks. It's bordering on hate speech. As others have said, it's probably better to meet this sort of hatred in…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 13:43:32 +1200 Dylan Reeve https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340657#post340657 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340657#post340657 More about the school show at Papanui (and many other schools)...

Things aint right! The world today is not the way God designed it to be. That leaves us with two choices, we can accept things or put our faith in action and be the change we want to see…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 13:32:54 +1200 Dylan Reeve https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340652#post340652 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340652#post340652 The story isn't really settled just yet though... The principal was paraphrased in a TVNZ story as basically blaming the student: "Smith says this was just a case of one student not having a clear understanding of the material."

And according to another SEN post the same school, just in…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 13:22:20 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340651#post340651 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340651#post340651 I hope you gave everyone you know who took the story at face value the same lecture.

I certainly will, starting with giving myself a stern rap over the knuckles for not having the bullshit detector fully engaged when this first dropped. But you know why I was hard on…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 13:22:10 +1200 Martin Connelly https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340648#post340648 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340648#post340648 Tue, 19 May 2015 12:55:16 +1200 Joshua Drummond https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340647#post340647 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340647#post340647 really the preserve of nutcases. It's incredibly prevalent, particularly in relatively vanilla religious circles, not to mention in society at large. The nutcases behind the pamphlets just… ]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 12:43:23 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340643#post340643 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340643#post340643 readers’ perceptions were most influenced by the headline and lead, which often did not accurately reflect the events being reported.

Yup, they're often not just inaccurate, but diametrically opposite to what is mainly reported in the article. So long as there is one quote from some fool who also got…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 12:16:17 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340642#post340642 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340642#post340642 We’re soaking in it, Chris, and the least we can do is at least start giving young people their first tools to defend themselves from it. It could quite literally save lives down the road.

I hope you gave everyone you know who took the story at face value the…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 12:11:47 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340641#post340641 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340641#post340641 The lesson was – and why not have some fun with paraphrasing – intended to point out the unfortunate truth that there are a lot of dicks in the world and some of them try to force their dickery on others. I’d have thought this was a pretty important lesson,… ]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 12:06:51 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340637#post340637 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340637#post340637 Allan Bell's research into readers' understanding of news stories (25 years ago!) found the same thing happening repeatedly — readers' perceptions were most influenced by the headline and lead, which often did not accurately reflect the events being reported.

Audience perceptions from broadcast news are generally even more distorted, as…

]]> Tue, 19 May 2015 11:56:34 +1200 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340636#post340636 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340636#post340636 Tue, 19 May 2015 11:53:23 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340635#post340635 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-sex-monsters-and-outrage/?p=340635#post340635 Discussion from blog post.

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