Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: Science and Democracy https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=342540#post342540 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=342540#post342540 More on this subject:

http://www.interest.co.nz/business/76218/physics-professor-calls-govt-learn-lessons-scientists-being-silenced-during-fonterras

]]> Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:00:37 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328160#post328160 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328160#post328160 Just a thought, but I think it would be preferable if WO was always attributed by name not by monicker. "This is just nasty stuff on the part of Cameron Slater and others". The man should own his vile outpourings and be held accountable for them as much as possible.… ]]> Mon, 29 Sept 2014 18:22:47 +1300 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328151#post328151 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328151#post328151 Haha, yes, a typo, result of too quick commenting, and not double checking it.

Sorry for that, but at least you can get a humorous side of it.

FINANCE MINISTER English, of course applying an ACTUARIAL approach to welfare, which boils down to achieving cost savings, no matter at what…

]]> Mon, 29 Sept 2014 16:32:55 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328149#post328149 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328149#post328149 One ring to rule them...
Fiance Minister
I love that New Zealand has a Minister Of Engagement!
:- )


Hmmm, continuing his 'Benefit/Crack Cocaine' addiction metaphor ... it seems from that site, that English also thinks Education is addictive as well...
We know hooking adults back into the education system…

]]> Mon, 29 Sept 2014 16:19:56 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328147#post328147 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328147#post328147 Fiance Ministersomeone showing a higher level of commitment than the Minister for Foreign Affairs? ... but sadly, a commitment to ideology rather than critical evaluation of evidence. ]]> Mon, 29 Sept 2014 16:13:21 +1300 Trevor Nicholls https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328146#post328146 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328146#post328146 (Quoting Ian Powell)
this is just nasty stuff on the part of Whale Oil and other

Just a thought, but I think it would be preferable if WO was always attributed by name not by monicker. "This is just nasty stuff on the part of Cameron Slater and others". The…

]]> Mon, 29 Sept 2014 16:09:02 +1300 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328127#post328127 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328127#post328127 Mon, 29 Sept 2014 14:32:56 +1300 Marc C https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328106#post328106 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328106#post328106 Quote from the above post:
"What I do believe, is that any privilege we have as scientists is a privilege based on public trust in scientific activities. Such trust should not be based on myths about scientific objectivity, nor on nonsense about us being best placed to make policy decisions:…

]]> Mon, 29 Sept 2014 12:12:57 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328062#post328062 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328062#post328062 In the eyes of the usual suspects:

Mike Joy, Lisa Te Morenga and Nicholas Stern are "academics".
David Bratt, Mansel Aylward and Christopher Snowdon are "scientists".

]]> Sun, 28 Sept 2014 23:57:48 +1300 tussock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328050#post328050 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328050#post328050 Sun, 28 Sept 2014 20:53:34 +1300 st ephen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328035#post328035 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328035#post328035 Sun, 28 Sept 2014 16:59:58 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328033#post328033 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328033#post328033 This is a thought provoking post Thank you Nicola.
recent visit here by British anti-tax spin doctor Christopher Snowdon to talk about the evils of taxing sugary soft drinks.
So he kinda snuck in quietly, talked to like-minded people and away. Wonder what those evils are hmmm...

]]> Sun, 28 Sept 2014 16:34:55 +1300 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328032#post328032 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328032#post328032 Sun, 28 Sept 2014 15:27:26 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328030#post328030 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=328030#post328030 Good to see someone speaking forthrightly. There are other people in more secure positions than Lisa (including the other scientists behind Fizz) who should stand up too.

Hate merchants at it again with smear tactics

Sunday, 28 September 2014, 1:00 pm
Press Release: Association of Salaried Medical Specialists
Hate merchants…

]]> Sun, 28 Sept 2014 15:19:37 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327996#post327996 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327996#post327996 Hopefully science will find that having fun is actually good for you at some point.

wahey! :)

]]> Sat, 27 Sept 2014 21:53:46 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327985#post327985 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327985#post327985 The obvious path into a marijuana law is to have it used for medical purposes.

Yes, it might be a consolation as I die of cancer 30 years from now that at least I can get painkilling cannabis, even if the law is still against it being available for fun.…

]]> Sat, 27 Sept 2014 18:17:27 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327983#post327983 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327983#post327983 BIMs
oh stop it with the whacky acronyms... :))

]]> Sat, 27 Sept 2014 18:01:11 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327979#post327979 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327979#post327979 Phew!
Here's one problem we can relax about...
US Homeland Security moves to tackle climate change risks
"Increasingly, we've moved not only from a security focus to a resiliency focus," said Caitlin Durkovich, assistant secretary for infrastructure protection at Homeland Security
They'll lead the way on tenable urban planning....…

]]> Sat, 27 Sept 2014 16:48:12 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327946#post327946 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327946#post327946 As a scientist in a CRI, do you see this as a concern?

As a random scientist in a CRI whose expertise is not in environmental science or monitoring or reporting ... my opinion is of little more value than most :).

What I can say from experience with any…

]]> Sat, 27 Sept 2014 08:23:47 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327945#post327945 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327945#post327945 Sat, 27 Sept 2014 08:21:58 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327943#post327943 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327943#post327943 SETs

?

Senior executive team

]]> Sat, 27 Sept 2014 08:05:45 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327903#post327903 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327903#post327903 Umm don’t think Treasury is a very science based dept. Could be wrong tho’. All those numbers… looks kind of sciencey.

I really hope the departmental Chief Executives probably drafting BIMs as we speak aren’t just random weirdos picked up off the street. They can contain all the free and…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 20:21:51 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327899#post327899 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327899#post327899 (c.f. Michael Cullen’s dismissal of Treasury’s 2005 briefing to the incoming Government as the usual triennial “ideological burp.”
Umm don't think Treasury is a very science based dept. Could be wrong tho'. All those numbers... looks kind of sciencey.

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 20:02:01 +1200 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327894#post327894 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327894#post327894 Thanks, interesting. I’d be keen on any comment on a particular issue I’ve been watching for years: State of the Environment reporting.

Only two have ever been completed nationally (1997 and 2007). The National Party campaigned across two elections to support SoE reporting in legislation and to give responsibility for…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 19:53:38 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327884#post327884 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327884#post327884 no matter what stripe the government is an “adviser” is precisely that

a lesson I've learned, yes

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 19:37:36 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327883#post327883 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327883#post327883 SETs

?

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 19:37:05 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327873#post327873 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327873#post327873 While like any person Professor Sir Peter Gluckman may have faults this is an extremely unfair characterisation of him.

He is a very good scientist in his own field and as science adviser he has tried to advise without burning the delicate bridge between the adviser position and the office…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 18:49:24 +1200 Jack Harrison https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327865#post327865 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327865#post327865 The obvious path into a marijuana law is to have it used for medical purposes.

Sarah Silverman showed us how easy it is to carry in modern U.S society, a pen full of liquid. It's a medicine people. It's not a great long term party drug but it's a good…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 17:47:11 +1200 Nicola Gaston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327864#post327864 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327864#post327864 Fri, 26 Sept 2014 17:43:51 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327863#post327863 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327863#post327863 I’m not sure if there’s a ministry, department, society or foundation in NZ that hasn’t written about the cannabis law being a disaster.

Don't forget the two select committee inquiries ...

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 17:40:10 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327855#post327855 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327855#post327855 Are you saying such instruction (whether explicit or inferred) is not your experience?

Exactly. I've never had any instruction from management that I could not air my opinions. As long as I don't speak for PFR and I don't.

And yes I'm from PFR and the water quality questions were…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 17:12:39 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327852#post327852 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327852#post327852 As a complete aside, I'd like to say
that CRI would be a fun place
to answer the phone on
'Talk Like a Pirate Day'...

...as you were.

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 17:05:26 +1200 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327844#post327844 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327844#post327844 .. we can pretty much say what we think… providing we are clear that it is our personal opinion (educated or not) and not the position of the company for which we work.

So if I interpret you right, the company opinion (I assume you mean the CRI as a…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 16:05:45 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327842#post327842 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327842#post327842 Nothing prevents any scientist from referencing any commentary or accessing other scientists which makes the section in the ethics document pointless. Cannot have it both ways.

Huh? I don't understand the problem. If I read the relevant literature in order to become knowledgable about a subject and then pass on…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 15:46:03 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327840#post327840 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327840#post327840 And that is exactly what he is doing to scientists within our CRIs. He is buying both their scientific integrity and their silence.

No he isn't. He buys the CRI boards of directors and the SETs. Since they are like him, businessmen and accountants and they understand being bought and…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 15:40:18 +1200 JC Carter https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327835#post327835 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327835#post327835 o because if you read his essays he fully references his data. Where he doesn't know himself he can access scientists who do know and can give you the citations.

So on one side we have an ethics document that attempts to tell scientists to stick to their area of…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 15:17:09 +1200 Humph Applebey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327833#post327833 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327833#post327833 Fri, 26 Sept 2014 14:54:43 +1200 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327832#post327832 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327832#post327832 Even more significant were the Prime Minister’s comments to the BBC, where he stated that he could always provide another academic to give a counterview.

Not quite – you missed the important bit. What the PM actually said is this:

__ Sackur: Yeah but he’s a…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 14:49:16 +1200 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327830#post327830 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327830#post327830 I then received, in particular from CRI scientists who are, as one correspondent reported, “gagged from talking to the media on topics that might seem critical of government policy from 2 months out from the election”.

If this is the case, the best thing scientists across all sectors can do…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 14:38:41 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327829#post327829 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327829#post327829 These clowns

See that's the kind of thing I'd say to their faces too :).

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 14:35:05 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327827#post327827 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327827#post327827 So for the cannabis debate there is simply nothing he could say that already has not been said – the PMs office knows all the arguments and evidence and they have decided their policy based on ideology not evidence IMO.

Snap.

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 14:34:09 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327826#post327826 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327826#post327826 wouldn’t that mean that the chief scientist would have to zip up about an enormous range of topics that he currently opines on?

No because if you read his essays he fully references his data. Where he doesn't know himself he can access scientists who do know and can give…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 14:34:01 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327825#post327825 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327825#post327825 When you say ‘generally’, does that leave a gap for willfully staying out of the cannabis policy disaster?

His voice should be heard, telling NZ – and Key – that the evidence is clear and to stop criminalising people. The costs to society are shocking.

Gluckman was responsible for [[http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/give-teens-break-cannabis-pm-told-ck-94570|a…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 14:33:21 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327824#post327824 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327824#post327824 trying to retain connection and have some influence.

but that is exactly the foundation of 'access journalism' as revealed by #dirtypolitics. Trading off the truth of a matter now in exchange for future opportunities.

I really don't think they are the same at all Sasha. I think dirty politics has…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 14:31:37 +1200 JC Carter https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327815#post327815 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327815#post327815 only represent themselves as experts in their fields of competence as defined by their formal qualifications or other demonstrable experience (Rule 4.1(2)a)
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wouldn't that mean that the chief scientist would have to zip up about an enormous range of topics that he currently opines on?

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 13:36:27 +1200 Nicola Gaston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327814#post327814 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327814#post327814 I certainly think of privilege as a responsibility, but think it is important to acknowledge the privilege we have.

Thanks for your points above – they are all very good.

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 13:34:56 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327812#post327812 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327812#post327812 trying to retain connection and have some influence.

but that is exactly the foundation of 'access journalism' as revealed by #dirtypolitics. Trading off the truth of a matter now in exchange for future opportunities.

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 13:31:51 +1200 Humph Applebey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327808#post327808 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327808#post327808 When you say ‘generally’, does that leave a gap for willfully staying out of the cannabis policy disaster?

His voice should be heard, telling NZ – and Key – that the evidence is clear and to stop criminalising people. The costs to society are shocking.

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 13:20:21 +1200 Humph Applebey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327805#post327805 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327805#post327805 I suspect that what you see as a lens of National ideology over Gluckman's advice is instead Gluckman trying to retain connection and have some influence.

I understand your point and agree entirely – which is the issue. No doubt his past work is admirable, but playing politics and ignoring…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 13:14:09 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327804#post327804 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327804#post327804 Out of habit most scientists are reluctant to state absolutes because we have enough experience with artifacts to know that we can be made to look like complete dicks.

I think it's more that politics is all about convincing people to act more strongly than the evidence supports (a balanced…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 13:09:56 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327802#post327802 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327802#post327802 He is a very good scientist in his own field and as science adviser he has tried to advise without burning the delicate bridge between the adviser position and the office of the PM.

Agreed. I think he walks that line consciously and generally very well.

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 12:59:50 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327801#post327801 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327801#post327801 What I do believe, is that any privilege we have as scientists is a privilege based on public trust in scientific activities.

I tend to use the word responsibility rather than privilege.

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 12:56:44 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327800#post327800 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327800#post327800 People talk, mistakenly I think, about evidence-based policy, when really we should discuss evidence-informed policy.

Typically, research doesn’t produce a black and white answer, it produces something like a consensus that if we do X, then there is a Y% probability of Z happening.

You are right. But there are…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 12:55:23 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327799#post327799 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327799#post327799 Gluckman a ‘scientist’ is not something that meets the definition of ‘Scientist’, when anything he says is filtered by the National machine.

While like any person Professor Sir Peter Gluckman may have faults this is an extremely unfair characterisation of him.

He is a very good scientist in his own…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 12:51:21 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327798#post327798 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327798#post327798 How universal is the application of the RSNZ Code at the moment?

Those rules are simply a statement of what a good scientist will do anyway. They are nothing more or less than common sense for scientists. So while I'm not a member there is nothing in the rules that…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 12:45:28 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327795#post327795 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327795#post327795 What to do about off-shore quasi-scientific organisations and their spokespeople?
Such as the alleged Institute of Cetacean Research and their sell-mouth in NZ, Glenn Inwood?

Inwood worked as a press secretary for Lianne Dalziel, Immigration Minister in the New Zealand Labour Party government. He also worked simultaneously for Morris Communications…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 12:39:40 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327794#post327794 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327794#post327794 People talk, mistakenly I think, about evidence-based policy, when really we should discuss evidence-informed policy.

Typically, research doesn't produce a black and white answer, it produces something like a consensus that if we do X, then there is a Y% probability of Z happening.

For instance, research could tell us:…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 12:36:47 +1200 tussock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327793#post327793 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327793#post327793 The most valuable thing I see scientists do in the media is to point out when various voices are talking a load of bollocks. On account of the preponderance of evidence which contradicts whatever it is.

Especially if it's me someone's correcting. That's an absolute privilege, even if I do…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 12:34:18 +1200 Humph Applebey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327791#post327791 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327791#post327791 Fri, 26 Sept 2014 12:25:53 +1200 Nicola Gaston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327789#post327789 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327789#post327789 Fri, 26 Sept 2014 12:19:34 +1200 Felix_felix https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327787#post327787 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327787#post327787 Fri, 26 Sept 2014 12:14:52 +1200 Felix_felix https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327786#post327786 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327786#post327786 RSNZ members, obviously, but also a lot of those receiving funding through them. Marsden for example has/had this in their contracts as a duty of the contractor:

"Comply with the Royal Society's Code of Professional Standards and Ethics and with other relevant recognised codes relating to the type of research…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 12:11:19 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327784#post327784 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327784#post327784 Speaker post a few weeks ago. ]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 12:04:27 +1200 Geoff Willmott https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327781#post327781 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327781#post327781 Thanks Nicola, couple of things.

How universal is the application of the RSNZ Code at the moment? It's not compulsory to be a RSNZ member, is it a requirement for all funding sources? For scientists embedded in industry?

Industry funded/led projects (increasingly encouraged by govt) generate the most direct contradictions…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 11:48:58 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327779#post327779 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327779#post327779 Fri, 26 Sept 2014 11:46:01 +1200 Euan Mason https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327771#post327771 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327771#post327771 This is a thought provoking post, and a much needed one. New Zealand is approaching the status of a one party state, much as it did after the 2002 election, and the “critic and conscience” role of academics is therefore more important than usual.

I was deeply disturbed when in…

]]> Fri, 26 Sept 2014 11:10:27 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327770#post327770 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-science-and-democracy/?p=327770#post327770 Discussion from blog post.

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