Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: Part 22: Not the Last Post https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address LegBreak https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=15000#post15000 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=15000#post15000 Russell,

The sad thing is that in 9 games out out 10 Oram would NOT have walked.

On the biggest stage we (McCullum esp.) failed in the mental toughness. OK, we are probably 3rd in the word, but we could've given 2nd more of a shake than we did.

And…

]]> Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:49:25 +1200 reece palmer https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14736#post14736 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14736#post14736 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:16:46 +1200 Richard Llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14716#post14716 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14716#post14716 "Just think how the Indians feel: huge player base, fervent fans, pots of money flying around, at least one truly gifted player ... and they lose to bloody Bangladesh and go home."

Heh – I feel better already.

And as another reminder of the sheer importance of cricket elsewhere, apparently…

]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:49:45 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14685#post14685 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14685#post14685

I agree we aren't good enough. But I disagree that we should expect to be this bad.

Just think how the Indians feel: huge player base, fervent fans, pots of money flying around, at least one truly gifted player ... and they lose to bloody Bangladesh and go home.

Cricket…

]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:54:16 +1200 Richard Llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14663#post14663 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14663#post14663 "We haven't finished third, have we? Is there a play-off?"

Well, technically speaking, you're right – I'm just claiming a moral right to 3rd place because we spanked the other losing semi-finalist

]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:16:01 +1200 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14659#post14659 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14659#post14659 Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:10:58 +1200 Felix Marwick https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14656#post14656 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14656#post14656

Without wishing to pick on this comment in particular but there have been several comments in this vein.

I agree we aren't good enough. But I disagree that we should expect to be this bad

In line with what you were saying about pitches I think there is a case…

]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:03:29 +1200 Richard Llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14619#post14619 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14619#post14619 - "The world of cricket needs some serious re-thinking and reorganising before the next World Cup comes around." –

Hear hear, its been, by fairly common consent, a pretty disastrous tournament on and off the field (and on the off-shield subject – it seems to have gone all quiet on…

]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:35:53 +1200 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14593#post14593 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14593#post14593

I agree with celebrating Flem though; we will miss him.

There's been a fair bit of comment about how captaincy affected his batting. It'll be interesting to see if that flows through now for the rest of his one-day career (another year or two perhaps?), and if he also drops…

]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:23:07 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14586#post14586 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14586#post14586

Ever stopped to consider that maybe we're just not that good?
We don't have the money or the player base that Australia does. They have a huge advantage over us and so too do several other cricketing nations.

Without wishing to pick on this comment in particular but there have…

]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:53:48 +1200 Ian Hickling https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14575#post14575 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14575#post14575 I'll be going to the final on Saturday (Greenidge & Haynes, with my conch shell), sad to be watching Oz and not Us, but we weren't good enough to beat the Sri Lankans. The game of the tournament so far was England/Windies – huge crowd, big occasion, tight contest.
I'd love…

]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:24:35 +1200 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14574#post14574 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14574#post14574

perhaps now with ireland having a vote towards technical and rules decisions in the icc we can finally hope to get the chucker out of cricket for good

It's not about votes; it's about TV revenue, most of which comes from the sub-continent. The Murali train left the station a…

]]> Fri, 27 Apr 2007 02:09:07 +1200 reece palmer https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14568#post14568 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14568#post14568 Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:34:02 +1200 LegBreak https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14566#post14566 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14566#post14566 The benchmark is Sri Lanka; off-shore island from big cricketing power etc...


..and we lost to them again.

I agree with celebrating Flem though; we will miss him.

]]> Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:30:35 +1200 Bruce Wurr https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14559#post14559 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14559#post14559 Well said folks. The hysteria is out over at the Herald in the "Your Views" column and as usual the vitriol is flying at the first defeat. Strange how it wasn't around when we were winning in the Chappell Hadlee series.

Fleming and the team have been great, right from…

]]> Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:46:47 +1200 Felix Marwick https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14558#post14558 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14558#post14558 Ever stopped to consider that maybe we're just not that good?

We don't have the money or the player base that Australia does. They have a huge advantage over us and so too do several other cricketing nations.

We finished about where we deserved to. Maybe one day a World…

]]> Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:43:52 +1200 LegBreak https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14556#post14556 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14556#post14556 3410,

In 1992 and even more in 1979 we may have come closer to a final, but ultimately we came no closer or further away this time around.

It's 0/5 in semis in the CWC. Contrast that with Aus (6/6) or our benchmark SL (2/2).

It's the brainlessness (Bond's bowling,…

]]> Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:36:31 +1200 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14554#post14554 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14554#post14554 National moaning?

What's wrong with considering whether they did as well as they could've, and if not, how to improve the situation?

No other NZ team has fared better

I beg to differ.

]]> Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:19:20 +1200 Bingle Struthers https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14551#post14551 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14551#post14551 Quite, and it's not dignified, this usual period of national moaning. Ironic timing, this agony. Ask the diggers, they knew a thing or two about genuine loss.

The other media hyena in this piece is Ian Smith, that corpulent little sausage, sputtering away like a fat kid in the school…

]]> Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:50:31 +1200 rodgerd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14549#post14549 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14549#post14549 Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:23:22 +1200 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14539#post14539 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14539#post14539 Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:41:05 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14528#post14528 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14528#post14528 Yup a 3rd place team.

It was frustrating to watch and I agree the maturity shown by Franklin and Patel was an example which the more experienced players might well note.

Sadly I think the players were capable of better, and I'm sure they think so too.

Surely it must…

]]> Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:30:54 +1200 the E https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14507#post14507 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14507#post14507 I was horrified when Murali claimed that catch. When questioned about it afterwards he mumbled a disclaimer about not having seen the replay yet!

Still, Oran walked.

All round, what a shame. :o(

]]> Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:09:17 +1200 LegBreak https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14439#post14439 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14439#post14439 A strange way for Fleming to end his ODI career.

Review of : his tenure here.

]]> Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:17:50 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14437#post14437 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14437#post14437 I also thought there was something in Patel and Franklin's stand, even if the Sri Lankans had dropped their guard by then.

My heart sank as soon as Styris went out to that lame shot. He was the one who looked like getting us there. But I was a bit…

]]> Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:09:35 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14436#post14436 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-part-22-not-the-last-post/?p=14436#post14436 Discussion from blog post.

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