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chris

Mon, 01 Feb 2016 20:19:03 +1300

Following my knee jerk, I’ve come to warm to this policy as the day’s gone on Sofie*, considering the alternatives or lack thereof. So thanks. As usual I’m convinced that there will always be someone more coherent raising similar concerns directly with the brass

Despite marginal discrepancies I can’t reasonably…

Sofie Bribiesca

Mon, 01 Feb 2016 18:53:53 +1300

Tell them how you see it and what you see as your problem. Let them know . They always need input. Don't be shy. I'm sure they understand that upskilling is a huge barrier. :)

chris

Mon, 01 Feb 2016 12:18:12 +1300

“Three years of free skills training, of apprenticeships or higher education right across your working life” is what Andrew Little/ Labour said.

I’m unclear on the specifics of that, the Herald reported

There will be no age limit, reflecting the increased importance of lifelong learning in the 21st Century economy.

Well…

chris

Mon, 01 Feb 2016 11:41:57 +1300

This policy is not geared to addressing the divide between the rich and the poor

Well no, that has to be addressed by other means.

It has to be addressed with every policy. Every single policy has to -in its way – take this into account, because that’s how serious…

Sofie Bribiesca

Mon, 01 Feb 2016 11:06:30 +1300

Certain free courses have long been available,

So they probably wont need to use this scheme then. What many seem to be discussing is students loans and any fee reduction for students has to help.

"Three years of free skills training, of apprenticeships or higher education right across your working…

andin

Mon, 01 Feb 2016 09:37:57 +1300

This policy is not geared to addressing the divide between the rich and the poor

Well no, that has to be addressed by other means.Like a living wage, not insidiously forcing everyone to become some kind of entrepreneur.
And showing some respect and paying well those who are willing to…

chris

Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:21:22 +1300

He was under permanent scrutiny, both in what he said and how he said it. And he carried it off with ease.

I guess the only shame there is that they’re not going to be voting. Having an entire workforce under your lead against a few bigwigs is not in…

chris

Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:00:11 +1300

27-40

As much as it pains me to beliitle this I’m not entirely convinced that it’s the solution. Certain free courses have long been available, so if you’re planning on studying any of these courses geared at people in poorer regions then it won’t make a difference:

~[[http://www.eit.ac.nz/programmes/national-certificate-in-computing-level-2/|national-certificate in computing…

Ian Dalziel

Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:06:26 +1300

Yeah yeah I know Joyce has a degree
Animal Science isn't it – a BSc in zoology – perhaps he's just gone feral...

andin

Sun, 31 Jan 2016 18:56:35 +1300

Im impressed by Little's announcement today about education.

Not so impressed by Joyce's tweet. Who's "we" arsehole, you got a mouse in your pocket?
And dribbling sniveling Seymour. Politics eh!easily turned into the meaningless playground for fools with mouths and little brain.
Yeah yeah I know Joyce has a degree…

Sofie Bribiesca

Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:58:07 +1300

It’s a clear example of why this type of negotiation process shouldn’t be so secret from public scrutiny.

Hear,hear!
Perhaps Toby Manhire, Understanding the Language of Politics can help us understand?
yeah nah.

izogi

Sun, 31 Jan 2016 08:51:01 +1300

Hi Steve. I haven’t had a chance to read the whole link but don’t think that specific quote you’ve picked necessarily demonstrates the US trying to put a stranglehold on everyone else, given that good trade agreements should benefit all participants, including the USA. That’s not inconsistent with what’s being…

Steve Barnes

Sat, 30 Jan 2016 20:52:50 +1300

Looking more Elvis Costello than Bossy…
;- )

Washing the defective?

A bit more like AC~DC, Highway to Helensville* if you ask me.
* (Possibly a highway to Nationals impotence)
Highway to Hell… 'n' Back…
Personally I would like Helen back… but it is the Little things that matter now.

Steve Barnes

Sat, 30 Jan 2016 20:36:13 +1300

AND...
According to US Trade Representative Michael Froman:

“President Obama’s trade agenda is dedicated to expanding economic opportunity for American workers, farmers, ranchers, and businesses. That’s why we are negotiating the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a 21st century trade agreement that will boost U.S. economic growth, support American jobs, and…

Steve Barnes

Sat, 30 Jan 2016 20:28:45 +1300

The TPPA was first released on Nov 6th last year.

A heavily censored draft, not a detailed one, so analysis was not finite, a press release from the Labour Party was issued the next day Perhaps you missed that.
Or was there just too much internal disagreement to achieve this…

Timmy Hayward

Sat, 30 Jan 2016 17:09:25 +1300

The TPPA was first released on Nov 6th last year. Yes timing is awful but that's a given, no point complaining about that, public won't care. Was there a Labour team on standby to pour over it straightaway? Perhaps a response timetable something like;

6 Nov – 20 Nov: analysis…

Sofie Bribiesca

Sat, 30 Jan 2016 14:22:48 +1300

Now the Nats are on offensive over Labour finally adopting a position (that took way too long!) against TPPA and will paint you into a corner over the dissension in the ranks.

Finally? Isn't it sensible to include the Caucus in discussions ?Too long? With no or limited information, how…

Timmy Hayward

Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:25:05 +1300

Rob, I've really tried to like Mr Little, but every time I am driving to work and he comes on Morning Report on an important issue, he just fluffs it. With Espiner on TPPA early last week (I think) was a classic where he sounded uncertain of himself and flailed…

Kumara Republic

Thu, 21 Jan 2016 22:25:59 +1300

Sorry, I vote Labour, but I don't think anyone should be too surprised that there are people taking the Mick out of the breathlessness and earnestness of this prose.

My disclosure of interest: long-time Labour voter who's voted Green since 2011. The Future of Work thing, plus the Digital Apprenticeships…

Kumara Republic

Thu, 21 Jan 2016 22:18:49 +1300

And, next week, Public Address will bring you Sia Aston on John Key, followed by Andrew Campbell on James Shaw.

Don't forget Mike Hosking on Mike Hosking, Colin Craig on Colin Craig, Bob McCoskrie on Bob McCoskrie, and Paddy Gower on Paddy Gower.

Ian Dalziel

Thu, 21 Jan 2016 07:48:38 +1300

Detecting the watchers...
Can’t resist
Looking more Elvis Costello than Bossy...
;- )

oga

Thu, 21 Jan 2016 04:39:32 +1300

I'd read Fear and Loathing in Coatesville: The Mega Internet Party. Someone should write it.

Tom Semmens

Thu, 21 Jan 2016 02:43:58 +1300

Wow, the wannabe guardinistas of PA are strong on this one.

linger

Thu, 21 Jan 2016 01:03:47 +1300

Odd … placed in that context, Little’s suddenly spookily reminiscent of Tony Barry from Goodbye Pork Pie.

FletcherB

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:57:12 +1300

For me, two of the best indicators of someone who can step up from MP to PM are their ability to engage deeply across a wide range of issues, and their ability to cope with the demands of sustained periods in the spotlight.

Desirable traits, no doubt, but our current…

Joe Wylie

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:10:36 +1300

How you like my clickbait game now?

Can't resist.

B Jones

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:14:24 +1300

I think there's a charming novelty value to one senior labour party person being publicly nice about another one. That to me is the takeaway from this – not whether someone is smart or inclusive or authentic – but that the labour folks may have stopped stabbing each other in…

Rich of Observationz

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:10:29 +1300

What, Hooton read Kiwibog? Does the CEO of Maccas actually eat the burgers? Or El Chapo smoke crack?

Rich of Observationz

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:08:42 +1300

I'd be fairly amused by a retrospective "my election campaign with Kim Dotcom" series. Any takers?

llew40

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 19:01:38 +1300

Sorry, I vote Labour, but I don't think anyone should be too surprised that there are people taking the Mick out of the breathlessness and earnestness of this prose.

Joe Wylie

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 17:58:33 +1300

I never have read anything on Kiwiblog as obsequious about a National Party leader as this.
So when did you start reading Kiwiblog? Whatever Salmond's shortcomings, he managed to refrain from this kind of faux-celeb gushery.

Tinakori

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 17:17:43 +1300

Yep, I thought it was Springsteen too. Actual post unintentionally amusing. Rob has to be careful he doesn't become the Obadiah Slope of the Labour Party.

andin

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 17:05:48 +1300

(I’d be interested to see whether John Key’s engage much with offshore union movements on his economic missions …

Only when Matthew Hooton is riding shotgun..... haha Yes MH a joke!

Graeme Edgeler

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:57:06 +1300

Leaders of the Opposition have had this fund for a while. It can be used for preparation-to-be-PM across any policy area, not just foreign policy and economics. It's only available to the leader of the largest opposition party, although there may be other facilities I'm unaware of for leaders of…

Matthew Hooton

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:40:28 +1300

It's a joke Gio. Perhaps not a brilliant one. But it makes use of analogy.

bob daktari

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:19:47 +1300

thanks Rob

Rob Salmond

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:04:18 +1300

@bob: Yep, Leaders of the Opposition have had this fund for a while. It can be used for preparation-to-be-PM across any policy area, not just foreign policy and economics. It's only available to the leader of the largest opposition party, although there may be other facilities I'm unaware of for…

Alan Perrott

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:59:02 +1300

bah. and I'm still not doing what I should be – bored bloke sits down to write a yarn; you won't believe what happens next (oh yes you will).

Russell Brown

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:50:42 +1300

ha, didn’t read the blurb and thought it was about Springsteen.

How you like my clickbait game now?

bob daktari

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:47:58 +1300

Fascinating that the leaders get some training pre potential election outcomes...

Rob or someone else in the town...
Would all of the labour leaders have had similar tips?
Do the other parties make use of the funds to do likewise?
Is it all foreign policy and economics or are cultural…

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:38:16 +1300

Can someone ask Andrew Little not to mention ' new world order' in the media, not even jokingly – it's too much of a 'gimme' soundbite for someone to use.... the time is all wrong to get away with that.

giovanni tiso

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:37:08 +1300

And, next week, Public Address will bring you Sia Aston on John Key, followed by Andrew Campbell on James Shaw.

Why should it?

Sacha

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:32:25 +1300

Duncan Garner interview with Andrew Little about Labour’s position on TPP mentions some of those meetings.

Graeme Edgeler

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:25:20 +1300

I'd be rather interested to hear from either of those two about their experience on the inside.

Well, except you're not going to hear of their experience. If Sia or Andrew (or Rob) had, for example, experienced their leadership calling a waiter a c***, there's no way it would appear…

Matthew Hooton

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:25:02 +1300

Yeah I know one place Rob, but I never have read anything on Kiwiblog as obsequious about a National Party leader as this.

Rob Salmond

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:21:22 +1300

@Matthew: I wonder if there's anywhere people could read, say, David Farrar on John Key. Any recommendations?

Sacha

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:20:40 +1300

Sia Aston on John Key

you're thinking of the Herald

Alan Perrott

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:18:54 +1300

ha, didn't read the blurb and thought it was about Springsteen. still not sure why I opened it (yes I do, procrastination), I don't like his music. anyway, as you were...

George Darroch

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:17:58 +1300

And you can write about the PR business.

I'd be rather interested to hear from either of those two about their experience on the inside.

Matthew Hooton

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 15:06:51 +1300

And, next week, Public Address will bring you Sia Aston on John Key, followed by Andrew Campbell on James Shaw.

George Darroch

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 14:54:42 +1300

I've come around to Little somewhat. I have to confess that his background as a union leader gave me pause; my experience is that those from the union movement are usually good people but often see the world as an series of labour relations, rather than a collection of people…

Russell Brown

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 14:24:04 +1300

Hi folks. This should have been Rob's first post under his own masthead, but I didn't quite get that together. (In my defence, I was busy writing about UN process and that shit is complicated.)

It will of course contain the disclaimer you've all been sweating on. Although I think…

Public Address

Wed, 20 Jan 2016 14:24:04 +1300

Discussion from blog post.