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				<title>bronwyn</title>
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						Did anyone see the piece on Campbell Live last night about the school that applied for voluntary closure last year, but were told that there was a process that needed to be followed (which I'm sure there is, and presumably for good reason) and that the earliest it can close…
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Oh, it gets better &ndash; there are pros and cons, but the govt is re-opening the debate about providing choice of mainstream or segregated education for disabled children.</p></blockquote><p>Obviously I'm getting cynical in my old age, but I'm betting there will be less not more funding going into it at…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:05:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Oh, it gets better &ndash; there are pros and cons, but the govt is <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10623999&amp;pnum=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">re-opening the debate</a> about providing choice of mainstream or segregated education for disabled children. You may recall parents winning a court case against the previous government for removing that choice. Now this one is going down the…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:20:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						And politically bizarre. For less than a million dollars savings, the National Party are lining up against deaf children. That'll look terrible everywhere it goes.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:13:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						This decision is obscene &ndash; especially after a large amount of taxpayer dollars has been dumped into propaganda for the 'Standards' debacle.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:05:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Idiot/Savant <a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2010/02/kicking-deaf.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">is not amused</a>, good on him.</p><blockquote><p>This decision is simply evil. There is no other way to describe it. Learning NZSL &ndash; <a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2006/0018/latest/DLM372754.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">an official language of New Zealand</a> &ndash; is not a luxury. </p><p>For these people, it is a necessity, vital if they are to get along in everyday…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:57:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>bronwyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Government is cutting support for teaching deaf children.</p></blockquote><p>Gosh. I don't even know what to say. And it's only four teachers. It's probably the equivalent of every Government department doing without buying their own $4 wall planners or something.</p><p>I am being slightly facetious, but only slightly.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:14:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						It's like equalising personal,trust and company tax rates (for which there's no evidence but hey) &ndash; what option does one possibly have other than reducing the top ones?
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:42:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Minister of Disability Issues Heather Roy said it would be "inequitable" for the Government to fund only one of New Zealand's two sign language teaching providers.</p></blockquote><p>Yes. What a conundrum. If only there was another option other than cutting funding from one of them. If only.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:25:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>the National Government is cutting support for teaching deaf children</p></blockquote><p>Well aint that ambitious for New Zillund</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:01:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						<p>Although the title is missleading this story is a good news story and well overdue. <br />Imagine how many kiddies lives will now be saved when  there is candle in the caravan to knock over.<br /><a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1002/S00040.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1002/S00040.htm</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:38:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>And look, the National Government is <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/3288223/Deaf-kids-lose-sign-teaching-services" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">cutting support for teaching deaf children</a>.</p><p>This makes me so upset. Few things are more important than the right to education, and the right to language and speech. And those rights are being denied, without a thought or care.</p>
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				<title>bronwyn</title>
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						I used to work at a respite base for children with intellectual impairments & those on the autistic spectrum (as some of you will know, despite the vast range of needs, children are all often lumped together in this situations, often to no-one's particular benefit), and so I got to know…
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>MoH DSS now part of the National Health Board &ndash; not sure of the implications but probably means more devolution, fragmentation and staff cuts.</p><p>And I probably do mean ring-fenced and capped. So can be spent on certain things not others eg vacuuming but not shopping support even if it…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:16:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Hilary, I reckon you're better using the term "capped" then. </p><p>Ring-fenced usually means separated out so it can't be spent on other things. Doesn't convey the nub of the problem which is the funding being determined not by the level of need but by political whim and bureaucratic fancy.</p><p>Look…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:15:38 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>Yes capped. So that the first thing to be considered is whether there is the funding. So it becomes a competition about who can provide the most negative 'case' and thereby win access to precious funds.</p><p>A person-centred system would look at what the person wants in order to improve…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:00:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>By "ring-fenced" I take it you mean capped &ndash; which in practical terms means without sufficient funding to meet need. ORRS is a classic example.</p><p>It has distorted what the government agencies focus their energies on too &ndash; saying no rather than yes.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:43:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>Thanks Philip, and for link to your functional diversity article.</p><p>Wondering how we got to this point and reflecting on history.<br />1938 Social Security Act &ndash; First Labour Govt strong on principle of taxation on ability to pay, in exchange for free care when you need it. <br />1972 ACC began…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:44:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10623124&amp;pnum=0" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Herald story</a> about one of the families at the centre of the Tribunal case is worth a read (despite reflecting the media's usual cringeworthy assumptions about normality and "burden"). Paints a picture of the personal side of this situation and also adds details about the legal/political process from here:</p><blockquote><p>The…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						It is manifested, as stated in the Tribunal decision, in the expectation that families should provide, indefinitely, unpaid "natural support" to adult children; in the belief that disabled people should be excluded from professional or commercial family relationships because they are disabled, even though such relationships have existed for generations…
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				<title>Jackie Clark</title>
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						Thanks Philip for your great post &ndash; this is an issue that needs addressing immediately, really, for the sake of us all. There was a great piece in the Herald this morning about a family consisting of a father in his 70's and his two children who are cognitively disabled.…
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						Kia ora Phillip- up until November last year, I was classified as legally blind (cataract op, and I had 4/4 vision in one eye, cool!) but, the only assistance I received (and I really appreciated it, believe) was taxpayers paying for my contact lens & other eye aids. So &ndash; not…
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				<title>diversitynz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Im a bit lost by Phillip refeering to a situation when you are hit by a bus and who will or wont be paid to care for you. <br />Its obviously an accident so is covered by ACC.<br />Is it just me or is he being deliberately misleading.</p></blockquote><p>Why would I…</p>
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						<p>300,000 do not qualify for the level of support the plaintiffs are talking about. The total numbers are way less than that.  And less than 300 were granted that support already.</p><p>The tribunal is part of our legal system and their judgement canvasses relevant aspects of law.</p><p>I'm not sure…</p>
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				<title>Steve Curtis</title>
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						<p>AS I see it the ACC system was  no fault because the law previously said find whos at fault and sue them ( or their insurance company).</p><p>Which of course would lead to strange situations if you fell off your own ladder while painting your own house, that is  sue…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>And you <em>can't use carer-respite money to pay family members</em>- at least if they live in the same household. <br />I can understand some of the rationale: there'd be a temptation to take the money, and the carers would get no respite (though the respite money can give you from worry…</p>
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				<title>Peter Martin</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Currently family members supporting disabled family members get up to 28 days respite/carer support entitlement.</p></blockquote><p>A day is 24 hours and the respite allowance allows for the disbursement of $76.00 for informal care ( family members, friends etc) and $85.50 for formal carers for that 24 hour period. </p><p>Oddly, it…</p>
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						Philip, snap, as in you had already made the same points while I was busy writing my comment. Serendipity.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote>When that bus hits, it is ACC who you'd turn to &ndash; and as we know the elephant in the room for the last couple of decades is the vastly unfair discrepancy in service levels depending on how you come to be disabled. Those not eligible for ACC receive a…</blockquote>
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						Sacha ... snap what?
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						<p>Oh and to add insult to injury (!) one of the Ministry's expert witnesses (arguing against people's right to choice) was himself disabled. But not a user of support. </p><p>Nice.</p>
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						<p>Thanks for posting, Philip.</p><p>I'm struck that ACC manages to successfully fund families in exactly the same situation, as do other countries.  Our Ministry of Health refuses, but may pay for someone from outside the family to do the same job.  That's the discrimination that the Tribunal has found to…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>It would seem logical if the funding was attached to the person needing care.</p></blockquote><p>Indeed! But this is Government we're dealing with.</p><p>I receive <a href="http://sites.google.com/a/incharge.org.nz/public/about-if" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Individualised Funding</a>, a monthly amount with which I employ support workers (I prefer the term PA because that's what they are, essentially). However, I am still…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Dysfunctionphobia is a good word for it. As a parent of a disabled child, we get a benefit for attendant care. I originally felt just that little bit uncomfortable with it. The problem is that I don't have any <em>perspective</em>  and I think most people are in this boat too.…
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						<blockquote><p>Could I ask for some context? What allowances or other support do people in this situation currently get?</p></blockquote><p>Currently family members supporting disabled family members get up to 28 days respite/carer support entitlement. The most common use of this is for some sort of (pseudo)institutional care.</p>
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						<p>Interesting discussion folks, thanks for the feedback.</p><p>The other aspect to all this is that (to recap) the Crown’s argument is that “the decision could open the floodgates to potentially thousands of claims for ACC short-term injuries where people leave hospital but still need care and a family member is…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>A business-like care giver would then logically not care for own child and only spend their time caring for other people's children, allowing other care givers to care for their own child.</p></blockquote><p>I'm no expert, but I doubt that the government starts paying full time for caregiving just because you…</p>
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						<p>Indeed, Bart. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangers_on_a_Train_%28film%29#Plot_summary" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Strangers on a Train</a> springs to mind*.</p><p>*but with caring instead of murder, obviously.</p>
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						<p>So if a parent happened to also be a professional care giver they would be paid for their time by the government (our money) for care of any person except their own child.</p><p>A business-like care giver would then logically not care for own child and only spend their time…</p>
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						Could I ask for some context? What allowances or other support do people in this situation currently get?
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						<p>*laff* The kind of 'beware of what you desire' policy change, Graeme?<br /> Perhaps Parliament could pass legislation exempting the Government from ever having to care for disabled people should one or more of their parents be alive...or perhaps seek a rebate from the parent(s) should the Govt take charge.</p><p>But…</p>
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				<title>Grace Dalley</title>
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						Great post, Philip.  I'm so tired of people thinking that they will always be vigorous and able-bodied, and that anyone who isn't is nothing to do with them....
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p>Wouldn't know.</p><p>I believe this is the first time this has happened with the HRRT. But:</p><p>After <em>Taito</em>, Parliament passed a law in an attempt to prohibit criminal appellants wrongly denied appeals a second chance at having an appeal.</p><p>After <em>Taunoa</em>, Parliament passed a law to try to prevent prisoners…</p>
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						<p>Great post, Philip.  </p><p>I'm trying to compose my thought about this issue but every time I put something down, it just turns into a long rambling paean to family carers without much in the way of insightful analysis.  Ever since I read of the government's decision to appeal I've been…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>it takes its argument as far as possible.</p></blockquote><p>Should the Govt lose the appeals, would we reasonably expect a change of policy in line with the HRRT decision, Graeme?</p>
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						<p>They won't.</p><p>1. The Government does not take the HRRT seriously.<br />2. The Government likes to claim that it is at the forefront in human rights the world over. It can't credibly do that if there are findings that its laws or policies are discriminatory or otherwise breach human rights.…</p>
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						<p>Money?</p><p>Great post Philip.  I just read through your trust page also.  Excellent work.  Keep it up.</p>
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						Under what circumstances would they concede?
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						On any decision by the Human Rights Review Tribunal that a government policy or law is discriminatory, the Government will always appeal. National or Labour ... reviewing a policy from their government, or from a government of a different stripe ... they will always appeal.
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						You're right. It was a bad decision to exclude coverage and it's sad that they don't seem to get it, even after having it explained by the HRRT.
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						Thanks Philip. Nice to have you here.
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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