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						<blockquote><p>...could Ronaldo get a break in that game?</p><p>Perhaps he was the boy who cried "Ref!"</p></blockquote><p>Maybe he and Messi could throw a pity party for each other.  I'm sure Maradona would obligingly jump out of a cake for them.</p><p>But true, he was closed out of the game, and…</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						In ice hockey if play is stopped because a player is injured, that player must leave the ice and go to the bench while play resumes. And it has to be a serious injury, where the referee thinks medical attention might be required. It's a good rule. Ice hockey players…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:33:02 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<p>Re: Spain-Portugal: This may sound odd from me, considering my hatred of dives, but could Ronaldo get a break in that game? He went down at least twice that I counted where he was tripped or pushed, and few more times where it could've gone either way.</p><p>Perhaps he was…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:21:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<blockquote><p>It's actually sanctionable even in the junior leagues</p></blockquote><p>When I was a kid I was the goalie. I got cold as shit standing around for 90 minutes with very intermittant action. What better way to keep a kid goalie involved in the game and a seagulling striker learning to out…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 17:36:18 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I still think Pele is the G.o.a.T. but Maradona is 2nd, a genius crazy man that no amount of money or professionalism can straighten out.</p></blockquote><p>Only being 5 during the World Cup that is widely acknowledged as the peak of Pele's career (1970) I feel unqualified to judge the comparitive…</p>
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						<blockquote><p>He truly was a renaissance man.</p></blockquote><p>Or a pseudo-renaissance man.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:20:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Actually, you're right, it wasn't cocaine &ndash; it was ephedrine.</p></blockquote><p>He truly was a renaissance man.</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						Actually, you're right, it wasn't cocaine &ndash; it was ephedrine.
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<p>Cocaine has a rather attractive honeymoon period where performance is somewhat enhanced but i take your point not for a professional footballer.</p><p>...but I remember it being weightloss drugs that bought him down. He came out of nowhere in 1994 to start playing and running like a young man.</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						He was done for cocaine, whose performance-enhancing properties are extremely dubious.
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						he was a bit naughty in 1994 though, running around the pitch on speed, took aussie out of  world cup qualification with an inspired drug fuelled performance  and then changed the nature of the first round group he was in, until the americans had to point out that running around…
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The Hand of God became, to me, a fun player having fun.</p></blockquote><p>The HoG also restored some pride &amp; joy to a population who'd been through the ringer from their own govt dictatorship and Thatcher's criminal militarism. It was seen as helping (in a small way) to right a wrong, a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 11:03:00 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm truly thinking (hoping) he was thinking of something more innocent.</p></blockquote><p>Yes. Yes, I was. Seagulling in amateur football is when you hover by the opposition goalkeeper, behind the defence, hoping to kick stray balls into the net. It's actually sanctionable even in the junior leagues, in spite of the…</p>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<p>I could've added to that. The post above had a section about Maradona in it when it was first drafted.</p><p>At some point in my childhood my father (or possibly an uncle) told me that Maradona was the greatest player of all time, and being young I believed it, unquestioning.…</p>
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						<blockquote>So, my walk to the bookies wasn’t my post-post-colonial moment. It wasn’t even post-colonial. I’m still not-English. I’m the mild colonial boy, in a ditch, fighting for Ireland; I’m starving to death because the spud crop has failed—the grass juice is on my chin. Granted, the grass is drenched in…</blockquote>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Roddy Doyle agrees with you:</p></blockquote><p>Heh, brilliant! </p><p>I completely agree, Maradona is fast becoming a world football treasure. I realised the other day he's been involved in World Cups for pretty much my entire adult life. He was a 17yr old on the bench in 1978, a genius in '82…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:12:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						I'm glad Germany are doing well. There is an ugly rumour  that if you get more than 4 west germanics  together on a sporting feild they all go a bit crazy and can't think straight.
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				<title>Sam F</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I can hardly tolerate that age group 'seagulling'. The prospect of adults doing it is chilling.</p></blockquote><p>I just naively ran a straight Google search for the term "seagulling". Wow.</p>
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				<title>Jeremy Eade</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Speaking of which... now that NZers have a new-found appreciation for technically inferior teams sticking to a limited game plan and playing out of their skins to achieve an unexpected result, will we see a bit of love for the French effort in the last RWC quarter-final? <br />Thought not.</p></blockquote><p>C'mon…</p>
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				<title>philipmatthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The goal scoring machines vs the world's wildest cheerleader.</p></blockquote><p>Roddy Doyle <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/sportingscene/2010/06/on-watching-england-lose.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">agrees with you</a>:</p><blockquote><p>By the time I got to the bookies, a five-minute walk, I’d changed my mind and I put my euros on Argentina. It was a wise, mercenary decision, I thought. The odds, 9 to 1, were…</p></blockquote>
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						<blockquote><p>The best thing about football is the flow of the game. Slow it down and you may as well pick the ball up and run with it.</p></blockquote><p>Brazil vs Chile.  It was more like tennis at times, they moved up and down the field so fast.</p><p>I know the final…</p>
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				<title>Jake Pollock</title>
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						<p>All this talk of incorrect calls is distracting us from the real problem &mdash; Soccer is taking us down the path to Socialism.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBkbj_S3etY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBkbj_S3etY</a></p>
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						<p>Speaking of which... now that NZers have a new-found appreciation for technically inferior teams sticking to a limited game plan and playing out of their skins to achieve an unexpected result, will we see a bit of love for the French effort in the last RWC quarter-final?  <br />Thought not.</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p>Shall we go through the France forward pass thing again? Because I noticed it was barely discussed for several consecutive months on this very blog. </p><p>That said, whilst I'm in favour of a goalline cam for big tournaments (how many of these line calls are there likely to be -…</p>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<p>Sniff sniff Boo hoo hoo! The ref let in a goal when the guy was offside! Wahwah! Then he disallowed a goal when the guy wasn't offside at all. Cry cry cry.</p><p>Jesus for once in their life can football players stop complaining? England should fire them all and hire…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Littlewood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>No off side rule seems to work in hockey-a game similar to football in a lot of ways.</p></blockquote><p>I think it works better partly because (speaking as someone who used to play it) the sheer speed of the game on the turf means that by the time the ball is…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<p>It's about time soccer adopted the best innvoations of field hockey and finally got out of its shadow! </p><p>(But seriously, field hockey remains a puzzle to me with or without offside, but ice hockey has steadfastly held on to its offside rule you'll observe. I think really if you've played…</p>
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				<title>Tony Parker</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Yes. And make five year olds play. I mean so long as it's goals you want. (I can hardly tolerate that age group 'seagulling'. The prospect of adults doing it is chilling.</p></blockquote><p>No off side rule seems to work in hockey-a game similar to football in a lot of ways.</p>
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						<p>Maybe he is the Messi(ah).  He is being persecuted by his opponents without mercy!</p><p><a href="http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/10/06/28/WORLDCUP_Argentina_Maradona.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">MARADONA HITS OUT AT MESSI TREATMENT</a>.</p><blockquote><p>seagulling</p></blockquote><p>Well, better than this approach.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da0IHBMr_AY&amp;feature=related" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da0IHBMr_AY&amp;feature=related</a></p>
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				<title>Tim Hannah</title>
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						If you want more goals, make it 10 a side. Open it up a bit.
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						Scoring would become a matter of booting the ball forward from defense and centre-forwards 'marking' the opposition goal-keeper. Even when you play socially without linesmen you have to make an agreement to enforce a loose offside or the games are just terrible.
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						<blockquote><p>Just get rid of the off side rule!</p></blockquote><p>Yeah, I don't think that works. Someone else can maybe give a good technical defense, but IMO, doing away with the offside rule would turn it from a game of two teams trying to score into a game of 22 (or 20,…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Just get rid of the off side rule!</p></blockquote><p>Yes. And make five year olds play. I mean so long as it's goals you want.  (I can hardly tolerate that age group 'seagulling'. The prospect of adults doing it is chilling.)</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>Just get rid of the off side rule!</p><p>Argentina are scary! But good! And Messi(ah) hasn't scored yet!</p>
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				<title>MikeV</title>
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						<p>I watched the game, here in Germany, with a crowd of twenty or so locals.  They expected victory against England, although I think they see themselves as underdogs against Argentina.  </p><p>It was a great atmosphere until the Lampard 'goal', which actually silenced the audience for a while &ndash; they were…</p>
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				<title>recordari</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Stephen Fry &ndash; 'Mein Handy!'</p></blockquote><p>If only there'd been a 'hand of god' moment in the match last night.  But maybe it should be 'Mein handy dandy notebook' for this world cup.  The Argentina Mexico game was good because there were whole minutes (minutes I tell you) when the whistle…</p>
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				<title>kiwicmc</title>
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						I was hoping for a complete homage to England's world cup performances. While the ball over the line against Germany would have been turned down, England would draw the match and then go to penalties whereupon they would actually win. The next game against Argentina would have featured a Emile…
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				<title>simon g</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The comparison is not necessarily winning the respective World Cups but performing well below realistic expectations. England should have topped their group and by virtue of a relatively easy draw made the semi-final. </p><p>The comparison is of top players freezing on the big stage perhaps due to fright and the…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Martin Barry</title>
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						<p><No, football England aren't like the All Blacks every four years. It's a popular view in NZ, comforting but false.></p><p>The comparison is not necessarily winning the respective World Cups but performing well below realistic expectations. England should have topped their group and by virtue of a relatively easy draw made the semi-final. </p><p>The comparison is of top players freezing on the big stage perhaps due to fright and the…</p>
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						<p>Heh, I thought that might rankle.  ;)</p><p>At least Italy get to vary the script, anyway. England's is sadly predictable.</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Their supporters would happily swap with Italy, and alternate total rubbish with occasional trophies.</p></blockquote><p>Er... Italy hadn't failed to clear the first stage since 1974, boy-o. Besides winning the tournament twice since then, it lost a final on penalties and two semifinals, one of which also on penalties. Not what…</p>
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						<p>England's defending was ... naive. Well, that's what the commentators would have called it if they'd been an African team. They made more mistakes in three minutes than Ryan Nelsen &amp; co in three games.</p><p>John Terry can take a large share of the blame for that.</p>
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						<p>Hard to fault you there. For one thing, Terry stole the leg of time. </p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc79m1X-mXU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc79m1X-mXU</a></p>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<blockquote>Not to win, no, but I think they were counted upon to make the semifinal. They were the form team in the qualifications, and gave the impression of having a solid defence behind one of the talents of the tournament in Rooney. That's often a recipe for going quite deep.…</blockquote>
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						<p>Yes, England should have got further, by topping their group and being in the other half of the draw. But that would only have delayed a meeting with a Big Gun (with due respect to Ghana).</p><p>As soon as they played a real contender &ndash; probably Brazil/Netherlands in that half…</p>
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				<title>BlairMacca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>That's often a recipe for going quite deep. They must rate as a major disappoinment.</p></blockquote><p>1 minute of football less in USA's final game and they probably would have.  Or had Green not fluffed it....  <br />I don;t think they would have put away Uruguay though, on form I think they…</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						Not to win, no, but I think they were counted upon to make the semifinal. They were the form team in the qualifications, and gave the impression of having a solid defence behind one of the talents of the tournament in Rooney.  That's often a recipe for going quite deep.…
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						<p>No, football England aren't like the All Blacks every four years. It's a popular view in NZ, comforting but false.</p><p>The All Blacks are usually ranked number 1 in the world, or close to it. They consistently prove their quality by beating everyone else in the (smaller) world of rugby,…</p>
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				<title>Jonty</title>
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						<p><As an aside: if anyone's interested, I've found a supplier of vuvuzelas within NZ. I bought one yesterday: it's tremendous fun. I'm planning on bringing it to meetings this week.?</p><p>I'm sure you'll get a few suggestions on what to do with it :--)</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:43:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>JackElder</title>
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						As an aside: if anyone's interested, I've found a supplier of vuvuzelas within NZ.  I bought one yesterday: it's tremendous fun.  I'm planning on bringing it to meetings this week.
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I couldn't help a nice warm feeling when little Ghana put the mighty US out of contention.</p></blockquote><p>As they did four years ago. I don't think the US went into that game as favourites at all.</p>
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				<title>Jonty</title>
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						<p>Regardless of racial stereotypes I think soccer, apart from being a wonderful spectacle, is a great leveller &mdash; I couldn't help a nice warm feeling when little Ghana put the mighty US out of contention.  But some stereotypes persist ...<br />A Greek and an Italian were sitting in a Starbuck's…</p>
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						<p>Also I think just designing the uniforms would land us quite quickly in hot waters.</p><blockquote><p>I think we must also add Brazil as one of the etc etc. 7-7, sorry.</p></blockquote><p>I totally knew that Brazil was even involved in World War II. Really! Ahem.</p>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I actually like the chances of a selection of Italy, Spain, Germany and Japan against those particular nations (to which we must add the Netherlands and France).</p></blockquote><p>While it would be an amazing game, I fear the outcome could cause another war.</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I actually like the chances of a selection of Italy, Spain, Germany and Japan against those particular nations (to which we must add the Netherlands and France).</p></blockquote><p>It would be very complex.</p><p>The French would start on the Allied side, get their butts kicked, and then start playing for the…</p>
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				<title>Tim Hannah</title>
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						I think we must also add Brazil as one of the etc etc. 7-7, sorry.
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The Axis leads 7 world cups to 2 for starters.</p></blockquote><p>As the Daily Mail famously said prior to the 1966 final, </p><p>“If, on the morrow, the Germans beat us at our national game, we'd do well to remember that, twice this century, we have beaten them at theirs.”</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Germany vs England+USA+Russia+Australia+NZ+Canada+South Africa etc etc</p></blockquote><p>I actually like the chances of a selection of Italy, Spain, Germany and Japan against those particular nations (to which we must add the Netherlands and France). The Axis leads 7 world cups to 2 for starters.</p>
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				<title>BlairMacca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But it wasn't supposed to happen like that! The UK gutter press said so .. you know, how they whip up the populace into a frenzy of wartime memories &mdash; how we beat the Bosch and all that</p></blockquote><p>The wartime analogy doesn't <em>really</em>  make sense, unless it was Germany vs…</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<blockquote><p>how we beat the Bosch and all that.</p></blockquote><p>We were at war with an automotive replacement parts and accessories company?</p>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>They hate the Germans, for obvious reasons, and the French, (think Belgium on the verge of being two countries).</p></blockquote><p>I get why the Dutch hate the Germans. But Germany only lost against the Netherlands in 88 &ndash; it seems a thin foundation to build hate upon.</p>
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				<title>Jonty</title>
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						<p><Yet another glorious English victory cruelly stolen away by the fickle hands of fate!></p><p>But it wasn't supposed to happen like that!  The UK gutter press said so .. you know, how they whip up the populace into a frenzy of wartime memories &mdash; how we beat the Bosch and all that.</p>
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				<title>Robert van Bakel</title>
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						giovanni tiso! In 1974 the great Dutch side, playing a game they invented known as 'total football', and led by the then, greatest player in the world, Johan Cruyff lost 2-1 to Germany in the final. The rivalry goes beyond this, to past generations. Do you know why the Dutch…
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						<p>Yet another glorious English victory cruelly stolen away by the fickle hands of fate!<br />;)</p>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						Hah! The All Whites would never have conceded four goals.
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<blockquote><p>But arrogance before the game. Remember Rooney's cocky remark that England's B team could beat Algeria even on a bad day?</p></blockquote><p>At least David James was right yesterday when he said there was no way the game was going to go to penalties.</p><blockquote><p>y support was with the Germans --…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						I noticed someone on twitter last night (well, very early this morning) noted that had the goal been allowed, England's attack may have slackened because they would stop searching for the equaliser (or winner)
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				<title>Jonty</title>
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						<p><So full of dread and self-doubt when in the game..></p><p>But arrogance before the game.  Remember Rooney's cocky remark that England's B team could beat Algeria even on a bad day?  And then they struggled to hold them to a 1-1 draw.  My support was with the Germans &mdash; cool, sharp, attacking play &mdash; a delight to watch every time…</p>
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				<title>Peter Darlington</title>
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						<p>Don't forget, before today the last World Cup meeting between England &amp; Germany was 1990. And the one before that was 1970 (a pattern!), so there aren't exactly a lot of precedents to obsess upon. Sure there's a the Euro's and a bit of history there but still.</p><p>I don't fully…</p>
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				<title>Hadyn Green</title>
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						I think they are really proud about beating them
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						I get why Italy (they never beat us in a world cup) but I can't fathom why the Netherlands. Although I can see why the Dutch would want to stick it to the Germans, no question.
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				<title>Naly D</title>
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						The England v Germany rivalry is an interesting one. I had a German homestay student with me at the last world cup, and he repeatedly said that Germans don't really care about the English games more than that they have to win to progress. He said that the teams Germany…
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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