Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: Key: Concession Not Recession

Richard Aston

Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:59:19 +1300

how and where we see ‘our culture’ on screens is definitely changing

You bet and film is becoming a bit player making the odd cameo appearance in a wide range of "nz culture" on screen. Yes I agree with Sacha even sport as a big screen entertainment event is reflecting…

Sacha

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 21:04:04 +1300

Admirably focused #filmfilmfilm

Kumara Republic

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:19:39 +1300

I think 'free' distribution (i.e. Internets) and cheap(er) production could mean exciting times ahead ... But the hundreds of people who've entered the 'industry' over the last 10 years may not all want to be part of that. And growing wages and secure employment may not feature too heavily either.…

Jonathan King

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:25:25 +1300

Sorry — didn't understand a word of your post. Especially the third-to-last one. ;-)

Sacha

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:23:16 +1300

There's also telly, music, dance, visual arts and other funded culture. Sport even, perhaps?

Jonathan King

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:00:53 +1300

And so long as the govt does not cut culture funding or further screw the distribution system

Well, the amount NZFC can give local productions is much less than it used to be, distribution is screwed (or at least massively in flux) … and the filmmaking landscape is changing dramatically.…

martinb

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:31:50 +1300

wowee.

I thought this was an article by a writer of escapism and subtle commentary through alternative culture and travel??

My two cents is that 'Sharkey' and 'JohnKey' sound similar enough for there to be an inquiry. They might be cousins.

martinb

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:17:31 +1300

This story of LA with it's wan characters and sepia photos is a pale version of the vivid journies and fascinating people you used to write about.

Hilary Stace

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:39:38 +1300

Most of those NZ actors and crews taken on for the Hobbit have now finished and are back on the job market, so would be available for such work. What ongoing work will be available from the estimated $12,000 government subsidy per worker?

Steve Barnes

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:15:32 +1300

That’s shabby, but it’s not a result of the law change. I hope ACC sees CENTS.

[fixed for you ;-)]

Russell Brown

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 11:51:30 +1300

ACC has been asked to reassess the bill in line with what Dexter says upthread, not disingenuousness just an early twenties person walking into one of the many traps for younger players. No written contract provided either Russell.

That's shabby, but it's not a result of the law change. I…

Steve Barnes

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:59:52 +1300

TV show spurns Kiwi crew for Americans
Mr Bollinger said that with relaxed immigration rules on foreign workers, three key crew roles that New Zealanders could have filled would be undertaken by imported American workers.
I think that sums it up.

Geoff Lealand

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:16:15 +1300

Yes, I noted that John the B synchronicity too, in the Waikato Times. Like the "Peeyem".

John Armstrong

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:11:34 +1300

Joe Bennett's take on it all

Interesting that it – like Graham's piece – includes a reference to Mr Dotcom's head on a plate. Satirical synchronism. Spooky.

Hilary Stace

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:57:22 +1300

Joe Bennett's take on it all in the DomPost this morning.Great photo too.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/joe-bennett/7793274/PMs-long-expected-party

(By the way Sofie, sorry for mispelling your name earlier.)

Sofie Bribiesca

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:50:51 +1300

just an early twenties person walking into one of the many traps for younger players. No written contract provided either Russell.

Never mind they'll get them somewhere else

What do we know?
Nactional will sell us out.
When do we know it?
NOW! As always.

Alec Morgan

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:10:48 +1300

Russell Brown

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:07:48 +1300

And it did bloody go on. Bryson won in the Employment Court, lost in the Court of Appeal and was finally vindicated in the Supreme Court. Very few people are going to want to embark on that.

It does also seem clear that Weta/Three Foot Six operated a lazy, sloppy…

Richard Aston

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 09:00:55 +1300

I apologise unreservedly to the plot. Which ever one it is, where ever it is

Great laugh to start the day Andin , thanks.

Richard Aston

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 08:59:12 +1300

You are absolutely right and I am wrong. I withdraw and unreservedly apologise. Seriously.

Good on ya Graham that shows character , seriously

andin

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 08:56:11 +1300

Suggesting that Tom has lost the plot does a disservice.
To the plot.
I apologise unreservedly to the plot. Which ever one it is, where ever it is.

Craig Ranapia

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 08:55:48 +1300

What the law did was reverse the part of the Employment Relations Act 2000 that says that the “real nature” of the employment relationship is ultimately to be determined by the court, rather than by the statements of the parties to the original contract or the text of the contract…

Russell Brown

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 08:20:31 +1300

A family member of mine has worked on the periphery of the film industry while a student in between breaks, and has been hit with a huge (for him) ACC bill as an independent contractor when he was clearly an employee. Thanks to ShonKey’s “Hobbit Enabling Act” and Cur Richard…

Russell Brown

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:52:45 +1300

Thanks, Graham. I possibly should have expected that the discussion might be rugged, but I think it took everyone by surprise.

Graham Reid

Wed, 10 Oct 2012 04:54:23 +1300

RE: "I also don’t need you to issue general baggings to the PAS community" . . .
You are absolutely right and I am wrong. I withdraw and unreservedly apologise. Seriously.

DexterX

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 23:26:56 +1300

people who cannot spell

I look at spelling as an attempt to create my very own unique language.

About the time the thread went a tad “mardy”, I was going to respond along the lines of Key, horse and arse.

I do feel Key should have taken Banks to Hollywood,…

DexterX

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 23:05:35 +1300

Yamis

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:45:10 +1300

Do be sure to let us know when you do :-)

After a few bourban and cokes I think I'm getting there.

If people want to shit all over other peoples internet 'articles' then they should post up all their own thought out, or not really thought out arguments on…

Hilary Stace

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:22:36 +1300

Thanks Sophie. I think the Hobbit thing is a bit like the Springbok tour, and it is going to be raw for a little while yet.

Sofie Bribiesca

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 21:47:21 +1300

Half time ;)

DexterX

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 20:32:11 +1300

Hard News suffered a credibility blow from which it has never recovered – it is now largely a sporadic blog about media matters, generation x music nostalgia and advertorials for the Media 3 TV show. Russell Brown himself has said he wants and likes it that way now.

Of course,…

Graham Dunster

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 18:49:50 +1300

Preloading, whether alcohol or placards, often ends in tears.

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 18:34:15 +1300

Link to Helen Kelly’s long response. The upshot is the government and Warners knew the dispute was settled and ‘boycott’ lifted prior to the Warner execs meeting in NZ.

Alec: If you’re going to keep revisiting this, could you please stop using sneer quotes around “boycott”. If you still don’t…

Craig Ranapia

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 18:27:57 +1300

I’m still waiting for Paul Holmes to apologise to Helen Kelly.

I'm still waiting for Helen Kelly to apologise to Richard Taylor for characterizing him as the leader of a lynch mob. Guess we're both going to be holding our breath for a looong time...

But I'm going to leave…

Russell Brown

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 18:18:16 +1300

I actually don’t know what I meant by that post. I’ll work it out later.

Do be sure to let us know when you do :-)

Kumara Republic

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 18:01:53 +1300

Meanwhile, in related news, the newly-merged Music Artists and Film Industry Association of America has welcomed the news that former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak is recovering from his coma, and will be appointed as its inaugural Director of Internet Affairs.

Yamis

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:59:46 +1300

I actually don't know what I meant by that post. I'll work it out later.

Yamis

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:58:51 +1300

don't want you issue general baggings to the PAS community.

Bilbo baggings?

Writing ANYTHING of a decent length, and posting it on the internet leaves you wide open to be spending hours of effort (and sometimes stress) defending it, correcting it, apologising for bits of it, that in the end…

Russell Brown

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:49:42 +1300

Graham, dude, high horse?

Have to agree, Graham. I could do without Tom telling me and everyone else – for the umpteenth time – what pathetic fools we are. But I also don’t need you to issue general baggings to the PAS community.

Russell Brown

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:40:28 +1300

Why yes…

Lilith __

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:20:12 +1300

I had credited PA readers with more humour/sense/wit etc.

Graham, dude, high horse? If you want a more civilised tone, don't sink down to that level. While riding your high horse in the water under the bridge. You're better than that.

You wrote a delightful piece that delighted a lot…

Richard Aston

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:06:47 +1300

BUT . . . this “Labour Party” we have . . . hmmm . . . ho ho ho

Belaboring the Labour party problems is so Laborious
I feel tired just thinking about it .

mark taslov

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:32:40 +1300

I got it.

Richard Aston

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:29:53 +1300

I had credited PA readers with more humour/sense/wit etc.

Wow Graham sounds a little, I dunno, smug . Your piece was great, I enjoyed reading it but aside from saying "good writing Graham" there wasn't much to hook into in terms of debate. So a rambling debate emerged around, over…

Alec Morgan

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 16:09:13 +1300

I recognised your mild satire GR, once Dean Parker commented it all came back though. It is not cozy wozy, these industry people play hardball. And people might like to try and read this rebuttal.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1104/S00081/helen-kelly-the-hobbit-dispute.htm

A family member of mine has worked on the periphery of the film industry…

Kumara Republic

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:43:02 +1300

I’m still waiting for Paul Holmes to apologise to Helen Kelly.

If only. Won't happen any time soon though. Trade unions are basically kill-on-sight for him and the old boys at the golf course.

Graham Reid

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:40:44 +1300

One of the more personally amusing benefits of writing a piece like this (and yes, I was That Guy) is I get to sit back and watch. As Russell noted in his earlier piece about satire and how my columns had been received by Herald readers, some people Just Don't…

mark taslov

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 15:35:57 +1300

is effectively selling our sovereignty our national soul.

Font Wars.

Lilith __

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 14:51:32 +1300

Of course, water under the bridge is water under the bridge. As far as I am concerned being wrong isn’t a crime, but not learning from it is. I wonder how many people who regularly post here have learnt anything from being wrong over the Hobbit?

Haha. Very good!

Hilary Stace

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 14:38:40 +1300

I'm still waiting for Paul Holmes to apologise to Helen Kelly.

nzlemming

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:40:45 +1300

Oh, please. Suggesting that Tom has lost the plot does a disservice.
To the plot.

andin

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 11:46:05 +1300

generation x music nostalgia
Oh we all can all get a little moist glisten in our eye when it comes to music. When you start talking about credibility as some kind of yardstick by which we can measure the worth of a person, and we have the leaders? govt/ business,…

Sacha

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 11:23:12 +1300

we all now know who was right and who was wrong

That the actors' union muffed the beginning of the process, you mean? That the govt and producers lied and colluded? I doubt you'll find things were as black and white here as you remember them, Sanc.

Tom Semmens

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 10:59:25 +1300

I don’t recall any particular consensus or party line from that time–just the usual mish-mash and diversity of views on the matter.

Oh please. Debate? I recall Russell Brown going off half-cocked and then behaving like a possum in denial about those headlights and the debate consisting of his loyal…

Sacha

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 10:08:04 +1300

very conditional – note the 'so long as' clause

Richard Aston

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 10:01:57 +1300

Unless creativity is zero sum, I don’t see how. Paid work on other projects has subsidised grassroots local film-making for years. And so long as the govt does not cut culture funding or further screw the distribution system, local stories should still make it onto our various screens.
Glad to…

Sofie Bribiesca

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:27:59 +1300

a Gollumaufry of Godzone, even…

Godzone Gonads! That's all we'll lose. Nothing to see there. watch this flick.

Tim Michie

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:24:49 +1300

And apparently we'll hit the Silmarillion by 2030...
A new age for a zealous land...

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:17:13 +1300

A Smaugasbord of the bards...
a Gollumaufry of Godzone, even...

Tim Michie

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:10:25 +1300

A Smaugasbord of the bards and the bored...

Ian Dalziel

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:58:17 +1300

Tolkien Heads...
What’s The Hobbit . ..without a troll or two, aye?
Indeed,
it can make for orc wood moments,
while goblin the scenery...

Sacha

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:52:33 +1300

it worries me we might gain money but loose something intangible but far reaching in terms of identity .

Unless creativity is zero sum, I don't see how. Paid work on other projects has subsidised grassroots local film-making for years. And so long as the govt does not cut culture…

Richard Aston

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:41:46 +1300

I would love it to work, but this feels like a razzle-dazzle distraction from our real woes.

Of course it is that's the whole point of Grahams post, IMHO. A NZ film industry telling our stories, looking at the world from our own unique point of view would be fantastic.…

Tim Michie

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:05:26 +1300

What's The Hobbit (http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/hobbit-wars/ (541 comments) http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/yet-more-hobbit/ (423 comments) http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/a-few-more-words-on-the-hobbit/ (1262 comments)) without a troll or two, aye?

DexterX

Tue, 09 Oct 2012 00:03:47 +1300

Go back and look at the state of the union at the time the 'Hobbit Dispute" was rolled out it had not been registered/establsihed and had not meet wih the people they purported to represent.

Lilith __

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 23:08:43 +1300

Mr Key was entertained by Demi Moore who did an exciting dance involving veils. Afterwards she was seen to approach Mr Key and whisper something to him.

“Oh, it was something I’m pretty comfortable with, it was just a small request which we will be looking into in the coming…

Alec Morgan

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 21:07:32 +1300

Link to Helen Kelly’s long response. The upshot is the government and Warners knew the dispute was settled and ‘boycott’ lifted prior to the Warner execs meeting in NZ. And I am happy to revisit this because it is a situation we will all be living with for a long…

Alec Morgan

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:50:53 +1300

I’d say so too Ben. “It’s all in the grooves” or at least the thousands of PA “Hobbit” posts, that might make a fascinating copied volume (with the NZCTU’s post “Hobbit Enabling Act” revised timeline included) .

Geoff Lealand

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:39:14 +1300

Welcome, Rachel. Good to have new people along.

Sacha

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:24:21 +1300

Thanks for joining the discussion here, Rachel.

BenWilson

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 20:17:44 +1300

I don't recall any particular consensus or party line from that time--just the usual mish-mash and diversity of views on the matter.

I'd go so far as to say it was a heated exchange with strongly opposed opinions, and some highly divisive and lasting fallout.

Rachel Lang

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:43:22 +1300

Thank you for posting this. While the country burns, we court Hollywood as the magic bullet? Sorry, they want bottom line about business. Of course I want gains in this area – I am in the biz (though not likely to profit from it). But what about the rest of…

Phil fryer

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:38:27 +1300

Public Address, can be relied on in breaking news & entertainment,
cool when there mixed , even when its for the edificant, or the writer !

Jonathan King

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:47:08 +1300

" Well, this is a change for Public Address, isn’t it."

You appear to have mistaken this website for The Borg, Dean.

A range of views on these issues have been debated here, generally quite civilly.

I'd also suggest it's possible to be not in favour of a union (based…

Andrew Geddis

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:47:04 +1300

"Although Mr Key was not allowed to make eye contact with the stars, his new press secretary Solomon Weintraub (R-Cali) said the meetings ..."

Hang on ... a REPUBLICAN congressman is acting for Hollywood interests? I thought satire was meant to maintain some connection with reality in order to be…

Sacha

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:44:29 +1300

Public Address stood squarely behind the studios

you could be overstating that a tad, sir

Tim Michie

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:42:58 +1300

This is an outrageouse distortion of events that some might mistake as in someways accurate. Well done sir.

Rich of Observationz

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:21:43 +1300

Graham: I see you've got another similar piece in the Dom Post today.

Well done, but shouldn't the subs have labelled it as satire? Also, they've left your name off it?

Russell Brown

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:55:07 +1300

Well, this is a change for Public Address, isn’t it.

You appear to have mistaken this website for The Borg, Dean.

A range of views on these issues have been debated here, generally quite civilly.

Richard Aston

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:53:17 +1300

Mr Key said ceding national sovereignty to the American film industry was a small price to pay for a new cycleway which can now be expanded to take donkey carts to become a crucial part of the country’s transport network in the next two decades
Brilliant.
Why hadn’t we thought…

Ross Mason

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:49:44 +1300

Looking forward to the next media conference with John Boy.

Herr Hitler!!

Geoff Lealand

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:42:47 +1300

I don't recall any particular consensus or party line from that time--just the usual mish-mash and diversity of views on the matter.

Dean Parker

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:37:35 +1300

Well, this is a change for Public Address, isn’t it. Last time Hollywood studios extorted tax concessions from the pathetic New Zealand taxpayer (a cool $100m), plus parliamentary legislation removing legal redress from workers in the film industry, Public Address stood squarely behind the studios, in the process condemning a…

Geoff Lealand

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:35:55 +1300

Well , they do have similar diction problems.

Ian MacKay

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:18:13 +1300

"Prime minister John Key has returned from a flying visit to Los Angeles...."
Strewth! He not only walks on water but can fly over thousands of miles? Wow.
(Note: The word for "on" is almost identical with "by" and was lost in the translation just as "virgin" just meant back…

JLM

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:09:24 +1300

"I think we can get that engraved for her"

Just priceless.

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 11:06:47 +1300

He da mane man...

Sacha

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 10:23:58 +1300

indistinguishable

andin

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 10:18:08 +1300

Mr Key was also photographed on the Hollywood Walk of Fame next to the star for Mr Ed, the Talking Horse.

Hope he got photographed with the front of the star. Otherwise he'd be standing next to a horses arse.

Ian Dalziel

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:56:32 +1300

Popper Art poster...
Hang on, while bearing all the hallmarks of verisimilitude, this feels like that dangerous satire stuff...

Simon Grigg

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:33:31 +1300

brilliant….

Public Address

Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:33:31 +1300

Discussion from blog post.