Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: John and Phil meet Bob https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address bmk https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219650#post219650 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219650#post219650 due to the lack of professional medical opinion that supports euthanasia rights or progressive drug policy reform.

Regarding euthanasia yes. But there is becoming widespread support in the medical community for drug reform favouring the harm minimisation model and for it be seen as a medical rather than legal problem.…

]]> Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:59:57 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219565#post219565 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219565#post219565

Key on God: “I wouldn’t describe myself as atheistic

Goff’s response was similar: “I`m not an atheist.

Funny how they both got the A -word in, just so they could say they weren't it.
Very cunning........ don't frighten the horses,
Deeply profound or incisive thinkers on this important subject they…

]]> Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:37:29 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219551#post219551 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219551#post219551 Key, on gay adoption:

Key (smiles inanely): Yeah but no but yeah but...(spins away, still grinning annoyingly)

]]> Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:20:04 +1200 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219456#post219456 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219456#post219456 As someone who was at the Family First event I have a first hand report on what Goff and Key said. I intend to do another on other aspects as well.

Interesting that both had the questions given to them beforehand. On that basis, Key did pretty awfully in the…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 17:05:06 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219443#post219443 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219443#post219443 That explains the heavy DPS presence then.

Heavy? As far as I’m aware, Key has exactly the same DPS “presence” as Helen Clark – not exactly someone you’d say suffered from small cock syndrome. And by international standards, the DPS is low-key and lightweight which is really kind of cool.…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 15:43:44 +1200 Xavier Goldie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219436#post219436 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219436#post219436 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 15:01:04 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219428#post219428 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219428#post219428 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:44:15 +1200 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219427#post219427 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219427#post219427 Euthanasia reform and drug policy are in the righthand corner due to the lack of professional medical opinion that supports euthanasia rights or progressive drug policy reform.

Re. "progressive drug policy reform", the NZMA is on record as being cautiously supportive.

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 13:41:57 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219425#post219425 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219425#post219425 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:57:45 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219422#post219422 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219422#post219422 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:41:28 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219418#post219418 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219418#post219418 As someone who was at the Family First event I have a first hand report on what Goff and Key said. I intend to do another on other aspects as well.

Thanks Dave. I wonder if you've sold Goff short on the parental notification question though. I think he answered…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:06:05 +1200 Christopher Dempsey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219417#post219417 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219417#post219417 Many think psychopaths are slick masterminds, like Palpatine or Lecter, but really, they are aimless, deeply needy people and what strikes me most about Key, apart from his desire for self-aggrandisement, is his desperate need to be liked by everyone.

That explains the heavy DPS presence then. What better affirmation…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 11:42:14 +1200 Lucy Stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219416#post219416 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219416#post219416 (Sidebar: Is there some law I haven’t heard of that Benedict Cumberbatch has to be cast in everything? Either that boy never sleeps, or human cloning is a reality.)

The cheekbones give him superpowers.

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 11:42:04 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219411#post219411 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219411#post219411 well, for more disturbance, Gary Oldman as George Smiley?

Oooh… that’s looks fun. Oldman is justly renown for reducing the hardiest scenery to splinters in nano-seconds, but he can also underplay most effectively. Would love to see Oldman playing George Smiley in films of A Murder of Quality and __Call…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 11:29:03 +1200 Kracklite https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219410#post219410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219410#post219410 Well, the self-conscious giggle was a mistake that seriously undermined the clip, but the shift in tone from "hat" to "pearls" worked for me. Maybe it's the uncanniness of seeing someone too familiar played by another person?

well, for more disturbance, Gary Oldman as George Smiley?:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/video/2011/jun/30/tinker-tailor-soldier-spy-traiker?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3486

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 11:09:18 +1200 dave crampton https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219405#post219405 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219405#post219405 As someone who was at the Family First event I have a first hand report on what Goff and Key said. I intend to do another on other aspects as well.
http://www.big-news.blogspot.com/

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:49:18 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219402#post219402 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219402#post219402 I'm no fan of Thatcher, but this looks like a film I'll be seeing.

Jesus, that was horrible.

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:26:32 +1200 Kracklite https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219399#post219399 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219399#post219399 Key’s evasive style, including those couple of irritable refusals to answer at all, “seemed to work, family first didn’t seem to realise there were no commitments.

There seem to be some politicians, such as Key and George W Bush, who are superb receptacles or projection screens for people’s expectations. They…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:13:50 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219397#post219397 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219397#post219397 Actually, I've warmed to both men:

But on the moral issues that concerned Mr McCoskrie, they were surprisingly akin. Both were prepared to look at same-sex adoptions, both supported a split drinking age of 20 at bottle stores and 18 in pubs, both were sympathetic towards euthanasia, and neither had…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 09:53:31 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219396#post219396 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219396#post219396 B. Jones:

Sorry, but can't all that be said from the bully pulpit of campaign season without lending spurious legitimacy to a paleo-con jamboree that (I suspect) wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as much media attention without the presence of the fraking Prime Minister and Opposition leader? (Which McCoskrie was…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 09:47:42 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219395#post219395 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219395#post219395 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 09:47:02 +1200 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219394#post219394 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219394#post219394 this Herald report. ]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 09:40:44 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219393#post219393 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219393#post219393 I'm leaning towards Lucy's point – I think if you did this well, it would be a good opportunity to put a wedge between the organisers and the soft "families are important" message they hide behind.

I'm not sure the audience that was that engaged with the answers. Patrick Gower…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 09:07:28 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219392#post219392 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219392#post219392 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 09:01:10 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219391#post219391 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219391#post219391 To oppose politicians speaking at the Family First or Destiny conferences is akin** to believing they shouldn’t speak at the Gay Auckland Business Association pre-election debates, or indeed the Suffrage Eve Debate the team here organised in 2008.

With all due and sincere respect to Julie, bullshit. I worked for…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 08:59:33 +1200 B Jones https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219390#post219390 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219390#post219390 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 08:33:06 +1200 Kracklite https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219380#post219380 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219380#post219380 Sat, 09 Jul 2011 01:05:23 +1200 Kracklite https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219378#post219378 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219378#post219378 In contrast, a response along the lines suggested by Kracklite would be more likely to antagonise, and make Artless sympathise with FF.

Oh yes, I do know that, which is why I would be utterly unelectable if I were ever to think that I didn’t have better things to do…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 00:20:44 +1200 Lucy Telfar Barnard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219376#post219376 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219376#post219376 I'm here today to say that I think that I abhor every word you have ever said in your entire worthless lives from the very first 'Gaaaah, boo-boo' you uttered as babies... Is it completely bright-eyed and bushy-tailed of me to think that there might be some in the audience… ]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2011 00:07:39 +1200 Kracklite https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219375#post219375 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219375#post219375 I would expect no less of you, sir.

Come to think of it, would you settle for Huey Lewis and the News?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwicLgOGJOI

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:59:26 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219374#post219374 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219374#post219374
Well for that one question at least, Goff appears to have been considering the votes of his supporters and potential supporters

It's a wonder what people will say when there are cameras in the room.

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:54:40 +1200 Kracklite https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219373#post219373 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219373#post219373 To oppose politicians speaking at the Family First or Destiny conferences…

Well, for entertainment’s sake, I’d love to see one say, “Well, I’m here today to say that I think that I abhor every word you have ever said in your entire worthless lives from the very first ‘Gaaaah, boo-boo’…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:42:51 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219372#post219372 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219372#post219372 And if you so much as even so much as hint at me even intimating at the possibility of the hypothetical etcetera of “credit given where where credit is due”, I will hunt you and your family down and do horrible, horrible things to you all with a cheese grater,… ]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:41:06 +1200 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219371#post219371 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219371#post219371 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:30:44 +1200 Kracklite https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219370#post219370 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219370#post219370 the one bit that was on the news rather defied my expectations.

I'll be the first to admit – proclaim, even – my cynicism, so my question now might well be, "Where is the real Phil Goff and how have you managed to produce a substitute who hints at competence…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:24:19 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219369#post219369 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219369#post219369
I’d actually like to see how Goff handled the rest of it, because the one bit that was on the news rather defied my expectations.

He seemed extremely comfortable with his position. I was very impressed, and I’d like to think that wasn’t the result of very low expectations. Key…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 23:21:05 +1200 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219364#post219364 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219364#post219364 Goff seemed better prepared. The one question he’s shown answering – on parental notification in abortion cases – he answers clearly, and without giving ground to the questioner.

That was surprising and hopeful. Less hopeful was Gower's summary at the end of said article:

While Mr Key and Goff don't…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 22:48:51 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219363#post219363 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219363#post219363 Some people involved in Labour, so I hear, are sentient, so I do want to know what their excuse might be for this latest exercise in ham-handed cynicism.

I wonder if the organisers will post their own pictures. I'd actually like to see how Goff handled the rest of it,…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 22:44:23 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219362#post219362 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219362#post219362 It was an onstage interview format with McCoskrie asking the questions, and Patrick Gower's report for 3 News gives the impression that Key had a shocker.

He was reluctant to offer firm answers and he didn't have any answer at all for questions on same-sex adoption and prostitution law reform,…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 22:42:22 +1200 Kracklite https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219359#post219359 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219359#post219359 Just when the CGT thing seemed to be going so well, as if someone in Labour had grown a spine and someone else had finally understood how the media works, this happens.

Ah, Labour, you never fail to let me down. Just when the faintest scintilla of an intimation of…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 22:16:56 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219340#post219340 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219340#post219340 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 19:39:31 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219338#post219338 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219338#post219338 Craig, I bet John Key could become a paid up member of Family Fist, beat his children, excommunicate any gay relations he happened to have, and you would still vote National.

Yeah, that's because he's a patched member.

Most National Party members I've met have fairly clear ideas about how…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 19:19:22 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219322#post219322 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219322#post219322 Ian Grant was recently handed a $2.4 million contract by the Government, without the least bit of due process or scrutiny. Many questions remain unanswered.

And the ones answered make little or no sense…
His resignation from the Government-appointed Families Commission was announced last Tuesday, just two days before the…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:54:11 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219309#post219309 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219309#post219309 The only report so far from the conference is Key saying he would support another look at the law on euthanasia — without, of course, saying whether it should be changed or how he'd vote on a bill.

The report says nothing about whether the comments were in his speech…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:06:28 +1200 Alex Coleman https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219305#post219305 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219305#post219305 Not quick enough for my liking, but it should happen with a fairly solid cross-party majority.

So some Nats will cross the floor? Good. I hope they don't feel the wrath of their base.

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:56:01 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219304#post219304 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219304#post219304 Key voted against the Civil Union Bill.

And in February this year, he was asked at the Big Gay Out whether he would still do so – and when pressed on it by Steven Oates would only say that we’d have to read his fucking book to find out

Quite.

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:47:56 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219303#post219303 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219303#post219303 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:46:37 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219301#post219301 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219301#post219301 Oooh, give Phil a cookie for stating the fucking obvious.

Oh, whatever, Craig. “The obvious” was rather more than the Prime Minister managed.

For goodness sake, Key’s big promise from the stage at that event was that his government wouldn’t take away any rights that LGBT people already enjoyed.

And…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:46:01 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219300#post219300 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219300#post219300 Hey, Craig, I don’t if you’re being disingenuous or just lying but you do realise this thing is being held in Mangere (hardly heartland Tory land) for a reason?

If I might comment on the church it's being held at. The particular venue forms the southern branch of a network…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:44:48 +1200 Tui Head https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219297#post219297 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219297#post219297 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:27:50 +1200 Hilary Stace https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219286#post219286 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219286#post219286 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:03:28 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219281#post219281 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219281#post219281 Yeah, Russell, that was the day Phil Goff was was such a shining beacon of moral courage (Yeah, I'm being sarcastic.)

Goff said despite what had been achieved in terms of gay rights there was still much work to do.

"There is still discrimination in the community."

Oooh, give Phil…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:45:23 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219278#post219278 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219278#post219278 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:36:49 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219277#post219277 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219277#post219277 For all Key’s Cameronisms, does he?

Key voted against the Civil Union Bill.

And in February this year, he was asked at the Big Gay Out whether he would still do so — and when pressed on it by Steven Oates would only say that [[http://www.3news.co.nz/PM-tip-toes-around-civil-unions-at-Big-Gay-Out/tabid/419/articleID/198208/Default.aspx|we'd have to read his…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:34:31 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219270#post219270 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219270#post219270 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:28:01 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219264#post219264 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219264#post219264 Craig R:
Uh yes, the event is being held in Mangere, but at the staunchly *palagi/paheka* LIFE Church, a Pentecostal megachurch. And with the exception of Destiny Church (who don't seem to be invited to this little shindig...), the Christian Right is pakeha dominated and full of wingnut buffoons who…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:25:59 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219262#post219262 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219262#post219262 It most certainly is – it’s right next to the Airport. And McCoskrie does actually hail from the southern Auckland area.

Yeah, and I know plenty of gay and lesbian PI who ran as far and fast they could from South Auckland and their poisonously homophobic staunch Labour voting families…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:15:55 +1200 Idiot Savant https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219261#post219261 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219261#post219261

I don’t begrudge the PM or Leader of the opposition meeting with their constituents.

I think there's a difference between meeting with your constituents, and tacitly endorsing their bigotry by taking a starring role in their propaganda setpiece.

But at the end of the day, Goff is free to meet…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:12:15 +1200 Andrew Stevenson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219256#post219256 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219256#post219256 I don’t begrudge the PM or Leader of the opposition meeting with their constituents. Everybody has the right to participate in politics, no matter how disturbing we find their ideas. Unfortunately, Russel Norman seemed unable to make this distinction. I hate the Exclusive Brethren with an absolute vengeance – my… ]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:02:23 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219249#post219249 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219249#post219249 Hey, Craig, I don't if you're being disingenuous or just lying but you do realise this thing is being held in Mangere (hardly heartland Tory land) for a reason?

It most certainly is – it's right next to the Airport. And McCoskrie does actually hail from the southern Auckland area. Not…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:52:50 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219247#post219247 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219247#post219247 I do think that New Zealand is somewhat advanced on that matter. The less suggestive of these images (fairly SFW) went up on 20ft billboards in public locations around Auckland and Wellington and I heard no outcry. I imagine Wendy Francis would be spluttering.

Come to think of it, St…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:48:14 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219246#post219246 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219246#post219246 In Phil’s case,I imagine it’s called ‘Know Your Enemy’. Most of these fundie wingnuts are hardcore anti-Labour types and the parliamentary party is more socially liberal than ever.

Hey, Craig, I don't if you're being disingenuous or just lying but you do realise this thing is being held in Mangere…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:47:49 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219241#post219241 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219241#post219241 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:32:21 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219224#post219224 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219224#post219224 25th Anniversary Celebration of the passing of Homosexual Law Reform in Wellington. To remind us that there is so much progress for good in the world (and of course, this should set the filthy fundies raging). ]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:47:43 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219218#post219218 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219218#post219218 We need more of these kinds of adverts just so the self-appointed anti-PC crowd hoist themselves on their own petard

I do think that New Zealand is somewhat advanced on that matter. The less suggestive of these images (fairly SFW) went up on 20ft billboards in public locations around…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:36:14 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219217#post219217 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219217#post219217 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:31:47 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219215#post219215 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219215#post219215 Last month, safe sex advertisements featuring two men hugging affectionately while discreetly holding a condom were removed from Brisbane bus-shelters. It was revealed that a director of the ACL,Wendy Francis, was responsible for organising the form letters which had caused the advertisements to be removed in the first place. Condemnation… ]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:24:09 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219212#post219212 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219212#post219212 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:18:03 +1200 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219211#post219211 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219211#post219211 Umm, yes I saw the news report. I was wondering if they have any political connections or lobbying power.

Outside of who they are? They are not funded by nor aligned with any political party (they state that fact quite clearly) and it looks like they're just putting an organisation…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:13:36 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219208#post219208 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219208#post219208 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:11:45 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219206#post219206 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219206#post219206 I should say a few things.

Firstly, Craig Young has written a series of useful An unhelpful column about cannabis on the subject. It would be remiss not to mention these.

Secondly, Parents Inc, the religious parenting organisation headed by Ian Grant was recently handed a $2.4 million contract by the Government, [[http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/call-2-4m-govt-contract-scrutinised-4188236|without the…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:09:37 +1200 3410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219197#post219197 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219197#post219197 On the one hand, being down on this sort of thing – or last month's brown version of same – is a bit of a worry, being only a step away from having an approved list, really, isn't it?

On the other hand, 'tis yet another reminder that Goff doesn't…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:42:59 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219187#post219187 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219187#post219187 No. Only started appearing at a certain time, is always out by exactly one post, and I’d therefore bet on a buggy CMS update. Probably one line of code.

The only time it’s happened to me was when I did actually click the wrong button.

But ... there was an…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:12:37 +1200 Lyndon Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219177#post219177 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219177#post219177 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:02:18 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219176#post219176 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219176#post219176 if you promise to use it wisely

We all know where that leads..

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:01:10 +1200 recordari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219174#post219174 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219174#post219174 Tindall, Fyfe, Jeremy Moon et al have been talking about this for a while – I believe this is just a formal crystallisation of the group.

Umm, yes I saw the news report. I was wondering if they have any political connections or lobbying power. Would seem a good fit…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 12:00:14 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219173#post219173 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219173#post219173 IME it is human error

No. Only started appearing at a certain time, is always out by exactly one post, and I'd therefore bet on a buggy CMS update. Probably one line of code.

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:59:44 +1200 recordari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219172#post219172 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219172#post219172 ETA: Reply fail, meant for Craig. 100% certain I didn't press the wrong "Reply" button.

I've been here so many times I've lost count. IME it is human error, but you can quote from one post, and accidentally hit reply on another, and it credits to whomever the Reply button…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:57:32 +1200 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219169#post219169 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219169#post219169 What's the deal with this 'Pure Advantage' group?

Tindall, Fyfe, Jeremy Moon et al have been talking about this for a while – I believe this is just a formal crystallisation of the group.

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:55:10 +1200 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219168#post219168 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219168#post219168 Is it too much to hope that one of them will use it as an opportunity to lambast their intolerance, hate and hijacking of the "family"?

Actually, don't answer, my day is going OK so far...

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:50:47 +1200 recordari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219166#post219166 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219166#post219166 (hey, when did that attachment button appear?)

The notion is somewhat scary. As an 'evidence based' blog, I hope you have a lot of disk space free.
Well, Phil, you picked a lousy time to turrn me off. :)
I have the feeling that Winston Peters and the Greens will…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:48:07 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219162#post219162 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219162#post219162 (hey, when did that attachment button appear?)

Don't know!

You can keep it if you promise to use it wisely :-)

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:39:34 +1200 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219161#post219161 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219161#post219161 It is obvious that neither of these men would be attending if they did not think there was something to be gained in their presence; either an opportunity to explain themselves to a hostile audience and dull criticism, or the opportunity to bolster support.

In an ideal world you might…

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:35:15 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219160#post219160 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219160#post219160 100% certain I didn't press the wrong "Reply" button.

Calling the cactus-elves..

(hey, when did that attachment button appear?)

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:33:50 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219159#post219159 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219159#post219159 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:27:20 +1200 James Butler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219158#post219158 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219158#post219158 You’re going to have to imagine me seething with incoherent rage.

Rage, I can imagine. Incoherent – I doubt it very much :-)

ETA: Reply fail, meant for Craig. 100% certain I didn't press the wrong "Reply" button.

]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:26:12 +1200 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219157#post219157 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219157#post219157 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:23:48 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219156#post219156 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219156#post219156 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:23:24 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219154#post219154 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219154#post219154 ignore her own party membership on same-sex marriage. ]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:21:00 +1200 Lyndon Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219150#post219150 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219150#post219150 press release came with a letterhead that matched the top bit of that poster. I have to say it triggered my nationalism alarm. ]]> Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:18:31 +1200 Leopold https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219147#post219147 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219147#post219147 Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:08:26 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219146#post219146 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-john-and-phil-meet-bob/?p=219146#post219146 Discussion from blog post.

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