Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: How's that three strikes thing working out, anyway?

Rachel Prosser

Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:58:51 +1200

In the meantime I'd be happy paying the licence fee

Me too! In the meantime I enjoy Radio 4 podcasts – get your Andrew Marr fix with Start the Week – it's always excellent.

In our Time with Melvin Bragg is as well, and I still have a soft spot…

nzlemming

Fri, 20 Apr 2012 13:39:54 +1200

And meanwhile, in Australia, Hollywood loses final appeal in piracy case

Matthew Poole

Fri, 20 Apr 2012 12:09:46 +1200

Russell, I know the competition on offerings has been from the bottom, but they're still not competing by being open about their contention ratios. The biggest ISPs are the biggest because of marketing power and customer intertia (especially Xtra) rather than because they offer the best deals. They could refuse…

Rich of Observationz

Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:32:56 +1200

the big guys were still trying to charge not just by the byte but by the hour

NZ was rather different to the UK back then, I guess.

What happened in UK was that BT introduced a service where a provider got a percentage of the call toll for using…

Russell Brown

Fri, 20 Apr 2012 08:54:37 +1200

I don’t think they’ve dropped dramatically, either. International capacity is still quite expensive, and margins are very tight. The less capacity that’s required, the better. A competition over contention ratios would only be good for the very biggest ISPs with the most commercial negotiating power, and I just don’t see…

SteveH

Fri, 20 Apr 2012 01:41:34 +1200

Would you be happier paying the same price and not getting channels you don't want to watch?
If the cable co says HBO is $20/month then I'd like them to sell it to me for $20/month. Not then turn around and say, "but you can only have it if you…

Kumara Republic

Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:53:53 +1200

As one who destroyed his telly aeons ago I don’t pretend to be morally superior – rather I found it difficult to ignore when on and there was this new internet thingy that could give me the news when I wanted without being yelled at by a Briscoes sale or…

Pete

Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:06:19 +1200

As one who destroyed his telly aeons ago I don't pretend to be morally superior – rather I found it difficult to ignore when on and there was this new internet thingy that could give me the news when I wanted without being yelled at by a Briscoes sale or…

Lucy Stewart

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:32:10 +1200

Would you be happier paying the same price and not getting channels you don't want to watch?

I'm saying that's what I *had*, the first time around. And that was fine, I'd have paid the equivalent amount per episode if HBO had offered that option.

I would definitely be in…

Andrew E

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:04:27 +1200

Ah yes, I do remember now. ISPs (or possibly backbone providers) in the UK were bleating about the cost of all the data being provided by the BBC that viewers were sucking down.

Either that or it was a row about paying the license fee when others could get it…

Peter Graham

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:36:54 +1200

I don't object to subscribing to HBO to get the latest episodes of things. I object to paying for other crap I don't watch to get it.
Would you be happier paying the same price and not getting channels you don't want to watch?

Russell Brown

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:06:55 +1200

@Paul Brislen: I couldn't possibly comment on whether I may or may not have used it to watch a bit of Newsnight the other week. (Newsnight, FFS, why region controls on that?!)

The BBC's affection for region-control in the past couple of years is really, really stupid. You can't even…

Matthew Poole

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 16:04:41 +1200

Here, the information seems to be top secret. Or is this because the contention ratios have dropped so much (and speeds increased so much) that they’re now largely irrelevant to anyone who isn’t doing something very bandwidth intensive?

They’ve always been secret. ISP engineers mutter amongst themselves over beverages, but…

Andrew E

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:53:18 +1200

@Paul Brislen: I couldn't possibly comment on whether I may or may not have used it to watch a bit of Newsnight the other week. (Newsnight, FFS, why region controls on that?!)

@Matthew Poole: In them thar olden days of 2001-2, ISPs in the UK used to be fairly open…

Lucy Stewart

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:41:35 +1200

For the latest episodes? And is that full cost of basic pay tv + whatever premium channels you need to buy?

Yep. We've since got a bigger package, but at the time we had only basic + HBO. I note that this seems to be a special deal not explicitly…

thegirlstefan

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:28:26 +1200

on a related note, from today's Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/apr/18/online-copyright-war-internet-hit-back

BenWilson

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:00:53 +1200

I'm not giving up TV, but I might give up Sky. Soho is now the only reason I have it, and it's not enough for the cost, considering those series all come out on DVD next season, and that's how I'd prefer to watch them, and there's far too many…

nzlemming

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:47:11 +1200

I watch it on SoHo via TelstraClear and record it on my T-box when it conflicts with something else.

Russell Clarke

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:32:07 +1200

Orcon do the same zero-rating for some Steam content. The trouble is, you're not always guaranteed to be downloading it from a local server.

Samuel Scott

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:28:25 +1200

I have been using so much data this last year. I once made the 'if you have a plan of 20gig or more you must be downloading illegally' on RNZ and I was quickly shot down, and I do think it was dumb thing for me to say.

My data…

Russell Brown

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:48:19 +1200

There's a story in the Herald today about the first third-notice to be issued.

There's no information about what music this person was downloading, but persisting with the one form of access that will get you into trouble seems stupid.

I suspect it's one of the people permanently seeding hundreds of…

nzlemming

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:07:37 +1200

Doh. In my defence, m'lud, it was late.

Sacha

Thu, 19 Apr 2012 00:05:38 +1200

That's how the business works

I know. play on 'contention', sorry

nzlemming

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:54:06 +1200

Fact. That's how the business works. You may not like it but that's how it is. Much like airlines overbooking because they know from experience that some will cancel. Generally, it works out for you.

Sacha

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:40:50 +1200

you provision for rather less than theoretical maximum

contentious

Sacha

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 23:38:22 +1200

You poor peasants, in thrall to its horrid glow

guilty

Sacha

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:33:35 +1200

because of the old-school approach to rights management that dictates NZ is a separate geographical region therefore we must negotiate separate rights with a NZ distributor

amen. it's nuts

Matthew Poole

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:33:58 +1200

in all likelihood, you provision for rather less than theoretical maximum and hope that your users don’t magically all change behaviour and use their full capacity at once.

The industry even has words for the concepts: "over-subscription" for selling more capacity than you have, and "contention ratio" for the relationship…

Don Christie

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:30:07 +1200

It's interesting that the value of copyright material is $US 80,000 a song

Ah yes. The Joy of Copyright Maths http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0

Megan Pledger

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:26:24 +1200

It's interesting that the value of copyright material is $US 80,000 a song
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10268199-93.html
when copyright holders are getting the money but $NZ 75 is too much when they have to fork over the money.

Stephen Judd

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:18:54 +1200

About ISPs and capacity. First, I think that distinction nzlemming made between the commercial ISP and ISPs as defined in law is important. Second, as nzlemming notes, if you're a commercial ISP, then the more people you can service off a given capacity link the better off you are --…

Jackie Clark

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:00:05 +1200

Sing it sister. I have enormous impatience with the " TV is evil" brigade, I'm afraid. I love it, wouldn't be without it. And I watch most of the crappiest shit on the box, too. Survivor, ANTM.....you name it, I'll probably watch it.

Martin Lindberg

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:59:44 +1200

I feel like there should be an internet law about television discussions.

There is, of course, this old story from The Onion: Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn’t Own A Television

"I, personally, would rather spend my time doing something useful than watch television,” Green told a random woman Monday…

Danielle

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:37:02 +1200

Guys, just give up the telly, Go to rehab or something. I got rid of mine in 2007 and I so haven’t missed all the time I wasted looking at little moving people.

I feel like there should be an internet law about television discussions. The longer they go on,…

Juha Saarinen

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:32:17 +1200

Not "downloaded". The Internet is a two-way street, people. ISPs pay other providers for capacity and utilisation of circuits, real or virtual, over a period of time. Plus, SLAs, delivery options, and a raft of other features.

If you buy a 1Gbps connection with 80, 85 or 100 per cent…

Matthew Poole

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:31:29 +1200

Yes, they pay for the pipes, but I understood they also pay for what goes across those pipes

Kinda. Wholesale capacity direct to an international carrier is, generally, un-metered, and purchased by the Mb of pipe size.. It’s just not worth the hassle for big international carriers to worry about…

nzlemming

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 19:09:12 +1200

ISP's don't pay their upstreams per GB downloaded, they just buy mbit/s pipes to various places plus transit/peering costs.

Really? Not what they tell me. Yes, they pay for the pipes, but I understood they also pay for what goes across those pipes. The point about where they make their…

Kyhwana

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:57:40 +1200

The ISP has to pay its upstream provider for the data that is downloaded and only makes money when the amount being paid for exceeds the amount being used.

ISP's don't pay their upstreams per GB downloaded, they just buy mbit/s pipes to various places plus transit/peering costs.

Your statement…

Don Christie

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:25:17 +1200

I presume you never taped music "illegally" when you were young? Or even a student. You sure are paying now through your "Best of" collection.

For a real life experiment, try viewing some BBC iPlayer material (which you may have to parallel import through a proxy) and see how quickly…

Peter Graham

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:15:08 +1200

Given that I can watch Game of Thrones in America for $25/month
For the latest episodes? And is that full cost of basic pay tv + whatever premium channels you need to buy?

If you've seen that Oatmeal cartoon of trying to buy G of T in the US online…

Kumara Republic

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:59:08 +1200

And for those that don’t watch television, can I just ask why? Because as far as I can tell we’re living in a golden age of television drama.

If you’ve read Orwell’s 1984, you’ll know that it’s to immunise oneself from all the prolefeed. Not because we're Patricia Bartlett types.

SteveH

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:45:41 +1200

But until they do, are there many other reasons to pay for a 20G data plan?
Video chat/conferencing uses pretty substantial bandwidth. Skype’s recommendation for group video (http://support.skype.com/en-gb/faq/FA1417/How-much-bandwidth-does-Skype-need ) is 8.5Mbps for 7+ people, and that works out to nearly 4GB per hour. Even one on one video conferencing can…

Paul Brislen

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:31:30 +1200

I use TunnelBear myself and it's very handy for those "I'm sorry you can't watch that video in your territory" moments. Stupid morons. TB offers an easy to use console and from memory if you tweet about how cool they are you get 1GB of data free each month.

It…

nzlemming

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:04:09 +1200

I work at a university

Ah, right, so how much did the University make from that? Must have been a lot, by your argument.

What's that? You say a university is not an ISP? Ah, but it is, under the Copyright Act, as is any entity that provides internet access…

Stephen Judd

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:44:26 +1200

You userbase isn’t exactly typical at a university though, is it? Irresponsible, hedonistic, impressionable.... and then there's the students.

Rich of Observationz

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:40:16 +1200

Sorry, but none of that does anything for me (didn't we have Dr Who in 405 lines when I was a three-year-old?)

I'd almost always rather read a book – for one thing, my input bandwidth for reading is many factors faster than watching. Now, book DRM is something I…

Danyl Mclauchlan

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 16:09:17 +1200

The ISPs make no more money from the downloading of illegal content than they do from legitimate content. It’s clear you’ve never worked for an ISP or even talked to one..

I work at a university. I know how much traffic was used up by file-sharing before proper safeguards got…

Andrew E

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:58:48 +1200

Those nice people at Telecom just sent me an email telling me they were doubling my data package from 40Gb to 80Gb at no extra cost. Hmm, what to do with it?

I've heard about some product called TunnelBear, which can enable you to watch stuff using the BBC iPlayer…

Gareth Ward

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:57:27 +1200

The sentence ends " ... and reasonable amounts of money but no multichannel TV."
Ah yes, missed the last bit of that. Follow now – so it negates the benefits of going it alone but doesn't address the potential of replacing the multichannel TV service if the right scale of…

nzlemming

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:44:01 +1200

Sure – but in the absence of a legitimate way for their consumers to obtain Game of Thrones, they're the people profiting off the illegitimate means.

That's an RIANZ/MPAA/NZFACT argument, Danyl. The ISPs make no more money from the downloading of illegal content than they do from legitimate content. In…

nzlemming

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:40:28 +1200

My fear is that this kind of activity so devalues copyright in the public view that we raise a generation of kids who see stealing copyright material as normal and "right"

That's an immediate part of the problem. A longer term part is the dearth of material entering the public…

nzlemming

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:38:13 +1200

But until they do, are there many other reasons to pay for a 20G data plan?

I blow through 20-30GB a month easily, and I don't download or torrent TV or movies unless they are copyright free. I actually blew through my 40GB cap last month downloading completely legal movies…

Don Christie

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:28:28 +1200

Sure – but in the absence of a legitimate way for their consumers to obtain Game of Thrones, they're the people profiting off the illegitimate means.

Relief, you were in satire mode.

For those that may not get it, its like those fucking window fitters and glass makers who benefit…

Steve Withers

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:19:15 +1200

I suspect the $25 was the price of getting the law in at all....and then once in, they lobby the government to lower it – just as they do elsewhere....pushing all the cost onto everyone who ISN'T actually losing a penny due to piracy.

Will this government cave to lobbyists…

Paul Brislen

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:17:49 +1200

And for those that don't watch television, can I just ask why? Because as far as I can tell we're living in a golden age of television drama.

Breaking Bad, Doctor Who, Boardwalk Empire... there are plenty of shows that you wouldn't have seen only five or six years ago,…

Pete Sime

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:15:04 +1200

Very timely. I've been curious about this – when the law was still being discussed, the admin fee was framed in terms that *explicitly* included preventing fishing expeditions

That could be overcome by requiring a statutory oath or declaration accompanying each application in respect of the ownership of copyright. A…

Alan P

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:14:04 +1200

Totally – wish people would stop with the "why do you need more than xGB data unless you are a pirate" line. Seems to me Telecom have always liked to push the impression that you should be grateful for 3GB per month at whatever exorbitant price they feel like charging.…

Morgan Nichol

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:11:51 +1200

The problem with your suggestion is that when you can pick and choose the very best TV in the whole world, and watch it when you want, how you want, and where you want, TV is really fucking great.

Morgan Nichol

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:10:45 +1200

Related/unrelated:
We spoke about Louis C.K.'s DRM-free & cheap stand-up thing during the show last night, Dylan bought it and started downloading very slowly it from Louis C.K.'s server, so he swapped over to a torrent and it was down in just a few minutes. Louis got paid, but had reduced…

3410

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:06:17 +1200

Guys, just give up the telly

I'm getting there.

Presumably, Peter's suggesting that I sign up for Sky, watch GoT until the series is finished, then quit Sky, for $250. It's a laughable proposition. We're talking about ten hours of TV, and you can buy an actual television for that…

Rich of Observationz

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:31:17 +1200

So you could pay $250 to watch Game of Thrones now

Guys, just give up the telly, Go to rehab or something. I got rid of mine in 2007 and I so haven't missed all the time I wasted looking at little moving people..

Stupid

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:09:54 +1200

With the internet, you don’t need regional distributors.
So true.

Paul Brislen

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:56:23 +1200

This is pretty crucial to the whole debate. Netflix, Hulu, HBO Go – all these services are available based on location. The reason they're not available in New Zealand is not because of our infrastructure (sure, with fibre it will be better) but because of the old-school approach to rights…

Lucy Stewart

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:30:04 +1200

So you could pay $250 to watch Game of Thrones now. Or you could wait a year and buy the dvds for $60.

The are plenty of production companies that screw over their New Zealand customers. HBO isn’t one of them.

Given that I can watch Game of Thrones in…

Stephen R

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:25:18 +1200

But until they do, are there many other reasons to pay for a 20G data plan?

I don't download illegal content. Not songs, not movies. I used to have a 20G data plan, but have increased it to 40G since overshooting a few times.

I tried buying games on Steam.…

Paul Brislen

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:55:46 +1200

what he said – why would you subscribe online if you're already forced to get it to the TV via a cable service?

If you've seen that Oatmeal cartoon of trying to buy G of T in the US online you'll see we're not the only ones who struggle with…

Russell Brown

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:50:26 +1200

Actually Paul what is your take on that HBO stat that there’s 105m US TV subscribers but only 3m with broadband? I’d have thought broadband penetration much much higher than that?

The sentence ends " ... and reasonable amounts of money but no multichannel TV."

So most households with money…

Sacha

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:47:19 +1200

the *only* way is to pay Sky about $1000 a year.

and people used to complain about an annual state license fee about a sixth of that.

Gareth Ward

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:41:47 +1200

Actually Paul what is your take on that HBO stat that there's 105m US TV subscribers but only 3m with broadband? I'd have thought broadband penetration much much higher than that?

Kumara Republic

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:41:25 +1200

Ultimately the problem is not just of Sky’s making – far from it. It’s a by-product of an old business model that requires layers of middle men passing on the product and clipping the ticket. A producer requires a global distributor who sells the product to a regional distributor who…

3410

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:30:48 +1200

Ultimately the problem is not just of Sky's making – far from it.

True. That'd like blaming the fox for eating the chickens when the farmer left the door open.

Paul Brislen

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:24:31 +1200

it says to me at least some of the providers are indeed working towards the obvious goal. Sadly NZFact is funded by those same soggy middle management/"value add resellers" who don't actually add any value.

It reminds me intensely of the PC market in the late 1990s – channel versus…

Gareth Ward

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:22:08 +1200

The Economist has a great piece on the future of pay TV (http://www.economist.com/node/21526314) and makes it quite clear HBO would like to move in this direction.

Oooh good read, cheers. If Apple hooks HBO as one of the "apps" for their TV play that would be intriguing – the CEOs…

noizyboy

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:19:06 +1200

For those lucky enough to have TelstraClear cable available in their area, Steam is unmetered.
If you can get Steam to use the TelstraClear CDN that is!

Before I installed the very useful SteamLimiter application, I was regularly stung by content NOT coming from TelstraClear, and thus counting against my…

Paul Brislen

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 12:02:57 +1200

The Sky TV issue is an interesting one. I spoke to John Fellet about all of this – he swears Sky TV does not have any control over the rights needed for video on demand. S-VOD (Subscriber Video On Demand) are an entirely different set of rights (and come with…

Sacha

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:56:53 +1200

I remember reading that ISPs don't make much from heavy users. They tend to discourage them.

Peter Graham

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:55:07 +1200

I suppose you'd argue that legal = legitimate, but if I wanted to watch legal and fresh episodes of Game of Thrones, as far as I know, the *only* way is to pay Sky about $1000 a year. Screw that.
So you could pay $250 to watch Game of Thrones…

Russell Brown

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:51:19 +1200

I suppose you’d argue that legal = legitimate, but if I wanted to watch legal and fresh episodes of Game of Thrones, as far as I know, the *only* way is to pay Sky about $1000 a year. Screw that.

This is actually the key problem with Sky's reseller agreements…

Lyndon Hood

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:36:57 +1200

On @mpaa now: US Ambassador Mike Moore co-hosting an MPAA screening of the restoration of Hitchcock feature The White Shadow with Chris Dodd.

81stcolumn

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:49:20 +1200

I suppose you'd argue that legal = legitimate, but if I wanted to watch legal and fresh episodes of Game of Thrones, as far as I know, the *only* way is to pay Sky about $1000 a year. Screw that.

That can't be the free market price can it ?…

3410

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:42:51 +1200

Paying for SoHo isn't legitimate?

I suppose you'd argue that legal = legitimate, but if I wanted to watch legal and fresh episodes of Game of Thrones, as far as I know, the *only* way is to pay Sky about $1000 a year. Screw that.

Paul Brislen

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:35:40 +1200

It is not as I'm required to buy dozens of other things I don't want in order to get it. Plus I can't get it at all online – and it's the online world I'm talking about.

What I can do is download it as and when I want (albeit…

81stcolumn

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:33:48 +1200

So perhaps wee need to apply some Copyright Math to the problem. After all whats $25 against savings of $150,000?

Incidentally, I pay Quickflix $10/month not because I watch what they've got on offer so far but because I badly want someone to succeed in this market so I treat…

Kumara Republic

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:28:08 +1200

Or gaming. Our boys have purchased single game clients larger than 20GB via Steam, and that’s not even considering the traffic generated by playing.

For those lucky enough to have TelstraClear cable available in their area, Steam is unmetered.

Kumara Republic

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:26:33 +1200

Paying for SoHo isn’t legitimate?

The problem, I suspect, is that you can’t buy it standalone. The bells and whistles you don't need come as standard.

Graeme Edgeler

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:18:47 +1200

Sure – but in the absence of a legitimate way for their consumers to obtain Game of Thrones, they're the people profiting off the illegitimate means.

Paying for SoHo isn't legitimate?

Russell Brown

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:18:31 +1200

although I do have this pain in my left side…

That's Juha.

Russell Brown

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:17:54 +1200

I would imagine households of more than 3 people could easily use a 20gGB cap even if everything they did was on the level, if they were mostly interested in video format content.

Or gaming. Our boys have purchased single game clients larger than 20GB via Steam, and that's not…

Paul Brislen

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:15:48 +1200

Thanks David. It's nice to be writing something for Russell that doesn't involve health issues.

although I do have this pain in my left side...

Kumara Republic

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:11:55 +1200

The US loves (needs?) wars, it looks like the wars on drugs and terror are fizzers, so hey, copyright looks good – they is armed for bear...

For a while it seemed attacking the symptom was a licence to print money and good publicity. But now, it's increasingly proving to…

Stephen Judd

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:10:06 +1200

are there many other reasons to pay for a 20G data plan?

For us, four devices at home with auto-updating software, motion-detecting cameras uploading to a server off-network, heavy youtube usage by 2-3 people, streaming tv programs from tv1/2/3/7, occasional working from home over VPN — it adds up. Maybe…

Danyl Mclauchlan

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:59:50 +1200

Feel free to produce an example of an ISP promoting piracy though. They’d just as soon make money selling access to legitimate services, or do deals for zero-rating.

Sure – but in the absence of a legitimate way for their consumers to obtain Game of Thrones, they're the people profiting…

Paul Brislen

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:57:30 +1200

Many reasons. I have a family of four and in the past decade we've moved from using 1GB/month (seriously) to 100GB/month.

My daughters both use the connection for their home work, my wife uses it to catch up on TV, and do wifely stuff and I work from home as…

Russell Brown

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:53:49 +1200

It’s also in the interest of the ISPs to promote piracy and make life difficult for the copyright holders, because the network traffic generates significant profits for them . . .

Feel free to produce an example of an ISP promoting piracy though. They'd just as soon make money selling…

Paul Brislen

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:53:25 +1200

One line of thinking suggests that if the rights holders won't pay $25 then the value of the product is less than $25 – so why is the fine $15,000? I'll pay $25 to watch that season of Breaking Bad/Justified/Doctor Who/Game of Thrones but of course they won't let me.…

B Jones

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:51:25 +1200

It would be nice if the content providers decided to sell content to NZ consumers.

But until they do, are there many other reasons to pay for a 20G data plan?

Don Christie

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:43:45 +1200

Danyl, hard to tell which mode you are in. Satire I hope.

Given Netflix accounts for about 30% of US internet traffic I would say that ISPs would be interested promoting as much legitimate content as possible. It would be nice if the content providers decided to sell content to…

David Cormack

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:40:17 +1200

This is a wonderful piece of writing and explains a number of things I had concerns about. Thank you Paul.

Danyl Mclauchlan

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:36:46 +1200

It's also in the interest of the ISPs to promote piracy and make life difficult for the copyright holders, because the network traffic generates significant profits for them . . .

Paul Brislen

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:36:18 +1200

Has anyone out there got one of these notices? Care to show us?

Ian Dalziel

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:36:17 +1200

the legion marches on...
The US loves (needs?) wars, it looks like the wars on drugs and terror are fizzers, so hey, copyright looks good – they is armed for bear...

Kumara Republic

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:36:13 +1200

And it seems the usual suspects regard even a $25 fee as some kind of protectionism.

Lyndon Hood

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:33:20 +1200

From Juha's link:

Rianz would not confirm whether it intended to make an example of the TelstraClear customer. Esmee Dunlop, of its public relations company, PPR, said the association would "not normally comment on anything copyright related".

That dry kiwi sense of humour again.

Heather Gaye

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:29:33 +1200

Very timely. I've been curious about this – when the law was still being discussed, the admin fee was framed in terms that *explicitly* included preventing fishing expeditions, and examples expressed were rights holders trying it on with entire bands of IP addresses without any evidence. Then the law was…

Jonathan King

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:18:59 +1200

This was always going to be about making a public example of one infringer as a warning to everyone else, rather than actually stopping everyone doing it.

Juha Saarinen

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:12:56 +1200

"A TelstraClear customer may be the first to be hauled in front of the Copyright Tribunal and fined for internet piracy under the controversial "three strikes" copyright regime that came into effect in September."

3410

Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:10:53 +1200

They are merrily seeding software out there in copyright theft land (the torrents, even though we’re all now shifting to “magnets” and if you want to know more you’ll have to buy a friendly geek a beer)

Either that or ask Google. :)

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Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:10:53 +1200

Discussion from blog post.