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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>ignorant or subscribed to a cultish theory that was allowed to override reality</q></p><p>like the supply-fixated neoliberalism powering both the NZ Initiative report and the Act-led 'Productivity Commission' which the govt so loves quoting.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:37:19 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Supply and demand are factors in house pricing, but they're not the only factors. Nor is it clear how one can control demand when anyone at all can own a house in NZ, and the supply of houses is not limited to what is in Auckland. No government is powerful…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:44:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Ben, yes the greater fool theory that all bubbles require to grow.  People buy something solely based on the belief that someone else, a greater fool, will come along and buy what they just bought for a higher price.  Dutch Tulip bulbs etc.  Human nature doesn't change.<br />I think much…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2013 06:42:51 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>It seems like a step forward.</q></p><p>Well, it will be if National can butt out and let Auckland find its way. Current rumblings don't give me much hope, though.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 14:10:49 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>You mean many of the things that are proposed for the Unitary Plan, then?</q></p><p>I do. It seems like a step forward.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Poorer New Zealanders have been hurt by artificially restricting something New Zealand has a lot of</q></p><p>Money.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 11:59:25 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>You have to take positive steps to encourage intensification, and that means density and building restrictions in areas where intensification is desired have to be loosened.</q></p><p>You mean many of the things that are proposed for the Unitary Plan, then? The Council is not demanding intensification without providing the tools…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 11:58:52 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<q>Due to a desire to reduce urban sprawl, some cities place urban boundaries to restrain growth (in area) of a city. Populations grow and are expected to continue to do so, so for an extended period of time demand for houses grows faster the supply of houses, which can only…</q>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 11:50:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>What to do? I am all for an all of the above strategy. </q></p><p>I agree with much of what you say here. You don't really get intensification just by banning sprawl. You have to take positive steps to encourage intensification, and that means density and building restrictions in areas where…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 11:16:40 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						<p>Well, lots of discussion but no suggestions as to how to make housing in Auckland and more generally around New Zealand, more affordable. Does anyone have any examples of intensification lowering the price of housing? I don’t know of any.</p><p>At Interest.co.nz BNZ chief economist Tony Alexander sees floating mortgage…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jun 2013 08:50:59 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Who’s making that argument?</q></p><p>Who would try, when the pass is held? (that's the point of heading something off at the pass)</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>I was heading off at the pass the argument that poverty is necessary to drive any usefulness out of people.</p><p>It would be probably much harder to find people to do unpleasant work. </q></p><p>Who's making that argument?<br />Its always hard to find people to clean toilets(for example) unless its well…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 20:26:13 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>What the West is achieving is endless asset growth. The asset based goods of society are grown out of reach of the poor to accentuate the wealth of the rich and props are created so that the rich cannot fail, but the poor get subsidised and need to work less.…</q>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>The cathedral masons.</q></p><p>They were generally commissioned by the aristocracy or the churches, though. They happened because rich people wanted them to happen.</p><p><q>And lots and lots of things were paid for by groups that weren’t the idle rich.</q></p><p>The things you're talking about mostly came from idle time. Folk…</p>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						Actually lots and lots of non-idle-rich created things. (The cathedral masons. The folk arts of the world, by definition..) And lots and lots of things were paid for by groups that weren't the idle rich.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>What the West is achieving is endless asset growth</q></p><p>If by asset growth one means "the asset actually improves in some way" then it's a good. If we just mean "the asset's price went up" then we're talking about inflation which is not clearly either a good or a bad.…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<q>The future vision of endless growth with steadily reducing employment is not only not inconceivable, it’s not even necessarily bad. It would only be bad if unemployment meant no access to the goods of society. If everyone became unemployed, but remained rich, and growth continued steadily, we’re actually talking about…</q>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:27:08 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<q>It is an essential part of any such social system that education should be carried further than it usually is at present, and should aim, in part, at providing tastes which would enable a man to use leisure intelligently. I am not thinking mainly of the sort of things that…</q>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						In the book named after this essay he also has some interesting views on architecture, too, how much it can influence the ability to create "cognitive surplus". Just to be a little bit more on topic.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Yes. Clay Shirky’s 13-minute TED Talk about cognitive surplus is worth a watch.</q></p><p>Cognitive surplus! Nice phrase. <em>In Praise of Idleness</em> <a href="http://www.zpub.com/notes/idle.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> by Bertrand Russell is something I read long ago on the same topic. It's interesting to see views on this topic prior to WW2, when Godwinning was not…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>The entire middle class had time, even the poor had more time.</q></p><p>Yes. Clay Shirky's 13-minute TED Talk about <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/clay_shirky_how_cognitive_surplus_will_change_the_world.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">cognitive surplus</a> is worth a watch.</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>but very bloody few of ’em actually CREATE</q></p><p>He's probably referring to the history prior to the mid 20th century. In those times the <em>only</em> people with the time available to create, invent, discover were the rich. Everyone else spent every waking hour staying alive (usually with mixed success).</p><p>As…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Says more about who defines history.</q></p><p>People who have the time, education, and inclination to write it. It should be everyone. Throughout history, including now, it hasn't been.</p>
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						<p><q>Really? I would question your interpretation of history</q></p><p>Well I did mean "for most of history". Recently, in the developed world, a lot more people have enjoyed levels of wealth and comfort that have given them time to work on things of their choosing. That's one of the best things…</p>
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						<p><q>The idle rich *may* employ or commission the intelligent creators but very bloody few of ’em actually CREATE-</q></p><p>Fair enough, but they made the creation possible in those cases. The "idleness' needed to make the works was supplied by the patronage.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Since the idle rich are where the lion’s share of the most important ideas, art, science and other high level goods have come from historically...</q></p><p>Says more about who defines history.</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q> Since the idle rich are where the lion’s share of the most important ideas, art, science and other high level goods have come from historically, it’s not like this would be a terrible thing.</q></p><p>Really? I would question your interpretation of history</p>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>ince the idle rich are where the lion’s share of the most important ideas, art, science and other high level goods have come from historically, it’s not like this would be a terrible thing.</q></p><p>The idle rich *may* employ or commission the intelligent creators but very bloody few of 'em…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>That said (just between ourselves) I’m pretty sure even those idiots can’t be trusted to go for it long term, because their growth is jobless. </q></p><p>I don’t think it will go on either. My point above is to show the madness of it, that there isn’t some natural minimum interest…</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p>It is right now.  </p><p>If the bank is too big to fail.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Leverage. Hey our whole financial system is based around gifting money to banks. :)
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Why on earth would anyone borrow against savings? That’s just gifting money to the bank</q></p><p>Say you had a long-term term deposit with hefty break penalties...</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>The reasons I gave why it's difficult in NZ are only more so in the "Western" economy. Until tools are implemented so that debt deleveraging can happen without catastrophic consequences, I expect we will continue to explore the infinity of interest rates between what we have now, and zero.</q></p><p>I've…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						Why on earth would anyone borrow against savings? That's just gifting money to the bank
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						They will lend against savings and less risky financial investments &ndash; like mature economies do. Not just against houses.
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						<p>You really think it's a good idea for banks to lend on intangible business equity and bright ideas? </p><p>That's venture capital, and the success rate is about 1 in 10. (The model is that perhaps 1 in 30 do really well and compensate for the failures, around 1 in 10…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>With so many small business loans secured against houses, NZ really has to grapple with this one.</q></p><p>Getting the banking sector over its collective obsession with security against homes cannot happen soon enough. We're going to struggle to grow any parts of our economy that aren't primary production for as…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>so that debt deleveraging can happen without catastrophic consequences</q></p><p>With so many small business loans secured against houses, NZ really has to grapple with this one.</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>When the Western world ceases its current policy of very low interest rates we will have to do the same only more so, because we are smaller and a much riskier investment. </q></p><p>The reasons I gave why it's difficult in NZ are only more so in the "Western" economy. Until…</p>
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						<p><q>because we are smaller and a much riskier investment</q></p><p>though we've been reliably lucrative for over a decade now</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Currently most mortgages are financed on fixed terms. These are <a href="http://www.uob.com.sg/personal/deposits/fixed/foreign_currency_fd.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">funded primarily</a> by overseas investors from countries with even lower interest rates (< 0.5% in Japan). This relies on the belief that the NZD won't decline against the investor's currency (a small drop could easily wipe out several years profits).</p><p>If those investors went away (because their country restricted overseas investments, their domestic interest rates increased, they needed to withdraw money to live or the NZ dollar became downwardly unstable)  then the supply of cheap fixed-term money will dry up.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 18:39:48 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p>I am predicting a change in global economic conditions will have more impact than anything we do.  And since almost any change in the global economy would result in higher interest rates, I am predicting higher interest rates.</p><p>NZ does not have low interest rates because we have decided in…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						There's no way on earth interest rates will triple. I'm surprised, in fact, that the Government and Reserve Bank are even talking about raising them at all, since doing so puts an instant handbrake on the economy. Less borrowed money circulating, and a higher dollar making exporters less competitive. It…
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Heck, even a change in government is more likely. One willing to change our fundamental economic settings away from investing in houses rather than productive export-earning enterprises. Wonder how much longer young folk who haven't left the country will continue to prop up their grandparents' flaccid fantasies?
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> <em>mortgagee sales</em></p><p>Yes, plenty of those in Houston.</q></p><p>And that's at mortgage rates of 3.8%</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Interest rates are currently at an historic low, they are much more likely to increase than decrease. Doubling them from today will place them just about at historic averages. Tripling them wouldn’t be especially unlikely.</p><p>And a rise in interest rates seems way more likely than Auckland Council and NZ…</q></p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>mortgagee sales</q></p><p><a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2013/06/05/sprawl-and-housing-affordability/#comment-70664" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Yes</a>, plenty of those in Houston.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Texas is teeming with flying cockroaches</q></p><p>No wonder they all have guns</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>By doubling or tripling the interest rates charged on mortgages.</q></p><p>Or levying stamp duty on absentee/non-resident house purchasers from abroad.</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p>The question was <em>"how <strong>does</strong> Auckland get affordable housing?"</em> </p><p>And I'm feeling cynical.</p><p>Interest rates are currently at an historic low, they are much more likely to increase than decrease.  Doubling them from today will place them just about at historic averages.  Tripling them wouldn't be especially unlikely.  </p><p>And a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 16:27:35 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>you don’t really see the many good bits of Houston by driving on freeways, Bart</q></p><p>Oh I agree, they have the most amazing natural history museum, possibly the best mineral collection I have ever seen, I think slightly better than the smithsonian collection!</p><p>And other bits of Houston were neat…</p>
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				<title>Martin Lindberg</title>
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						<p><q>By doubling or tripling the interest rates charged on mortgages</q></p><p>Do go on...</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>By doubling or tripling the interest rates charged on mortgages.</q></p><p>Which would be a great way of increasing the number of mortgagee sales among existing homeowners.</p>
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				<title>Angus Robertson</title>
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						<p><q>so how does Auckland get affordable housing?</q></p><p>By doubling or tripling the interest rates charged on mortgages.</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>Threadjack. Sorry but recent posts have not been truly related.  Ergo, Housing may fit the bill.<br /><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22751415" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22751415</a></p><p>Add to Green movement suggestion of nurses in schools???</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 14:30:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						Hey, both Nola and Houston have lots of great things about them (you don't really see the many good bits of Houston by driving on freeways, Bart). Just... not urban planning.
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						Hate to break it to you, but even <a href="http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Plan-could-alter-housing-density-outside-Loop-2437503.php" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Houston is looking</a> at <a href="http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Development-rules-change-targets-housing-4422075.php" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> building upwards</a>.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						James is a resident of New Orleans, so I'm not overly surprised he considers Houston to be some kind of nirvana.
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>features poorly for health outcomes</q></p><p>Particularly if you are poor/black/hispanic. Oh yeah we really want to be like Houston. We drove through Houston a few times while we lived in Texas and living in a concrete grey city &ndash; except for the burnt out black bits where the poor folks…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2013/06/05/sprawl-and-housing-affordability/#comment-70664" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">A possible explanation</a> for why Houston is so affordable: at least a quarter of the housing stock on the market is under foreclosure sale.
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>so how does Auckland get affordable housing?</q></p><p>You could start by instituting a capital gains tax which would discourage people from owning 5 houses and never improving them because the capital gains make any improvement stupid. This would have the effect of putting more properties onto the market. That in…</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p><q>Danielle, so how does Auckland get affordable housing?</q></p><p>I have no idea (which is why I never have anything to say in these threads). But since you brought up Houston &ndash; a city I know reasonably well &ndash; as an example of urban awesomeness, I had to note that your…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I'm not against sprawl entirely. I just don't think it should be the only option. As for the math you're doing on the cost of sprawl development vs intensification, it's broken. Auckland <em>already is</em> a sprawl and it <em>already has</em> property costs that are far beyond what they should be.…
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						Danielle, so how does Auckland get affordable housing?
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>their pet National Party poli-puppets</q></p><p>Awesome example in interview with delusional Housing minister Nick Smith on RadioNZ this morning (34mins, <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2557520/the-residential-housing-shortage-and-rising-prices" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">listening options</a>)</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Surely any responsible plan or framework for Auckland and any city should START with how to ensure affordable housing.</q></p><p>Increased density closer to existing amenities means more housing available where people want to buy. At present all we're getting is 300-plus-square metre mansions that occupy 75% or more of the…</p>
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						Those pro-sprawl lines have been around in nutbar neolib circles for some time, including the Act 'productivity commission' whose plans the current govt is pushing. Here's <a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2013/01/27/demolishing-demographia-an-alternative-explanation/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">one post</a> that might be useful.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						Where is Houston in <a href="http://www.mercer.com/press-releases/quality-of-living-report-2012" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Mercer's 2012</a> infrastructure (Auckland is 43rd) and quality-of-life (Auckland is 3rd) rankings? Oh, it's not there? Why the hell would Auckland want to do <em>anything</em> like Houston when we're already a better city in which to live and better-served for infrastructure (despite not having 12-lane freeways)?…
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>go through two sets of traffic lights (plus ramp signals)</q></p><p>Sorry, three sets. I forgot about one that is nearly always green for the left-turn I have to make.</p>
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				<title>Danielle</title>
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						<p>I lived in Houston for four years. WE DO NOT WANT TO BE LIKE HOUSTON.</p><p>(It actually *is* pretty cool culturally, I'll admit that, but the driving distances are *immense*. I caught public transport regularly there and it was terrible. The entire city is bisected by giant 12 lane freeways…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Ummm 20 minutes would get you to Te Atatu or Henderson out west, I know I did it everyday for way too long!</q></p><p>Not in any morning or evening peak I’ve ever seen. Again, <em>peak</em>. I know that 20 minutes gets you a good, long way off-peak, but our peak…</p>
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				<title>James Bremner</title>
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						Auckland already has housing rated as "severely un-affordable" with the median house costing around 7 times the median salary, and under the proposed Unitary plan, as supported by Gen Zero, house prices and the ratio of median house to median salary is only going to keep going up. Dr Singh,…
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				<title>Ramon Lewis</title>
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						Ummm 20 minutes would get you to Te Atatu or Henderson  out west, I know I did it everyday for way too long!
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				<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 00:33:34 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Re: The low ownership of cars in Auckland, isn't the reason obvious? It's densely populated and has public transport options. The same goes for every big city (Wellington is even better than Auckland on this score). The only reason it seems bad in Auckland is because commuting in a car…
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				<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 16:25:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>Big difference between buying your home and land-banking the rural-urban fringe.</q></p><p>Given that I haven't substantially developed what I bought, the same principle is at work. The main difference is the scale, and the risk. Buying rural land can be hugely risky. If it's not zoned for development, it's a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 16:00:14 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Islander</title>
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						<p><q>At least the larger urban centres with some decent provision of public transport can allow people to dispense with car-ownership. Not so easy in almost any rural setting.</q></p><p>Especially those where you literally cant really live unless you<br />a)have a vehicle or<br />b)have a kind neighbour with a vehicle.<br />There…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jun 2013 15:27:56 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Moz</title>
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						Car ownership rates are more likely dominated by the lack of alternatives I think. My parents live near Nelson and it's only retirement that has allowed them to drop to a single car. In a regional city the choice is hourly buses that stop running at inconvenient times, or driving.…
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Interesting discovery that Auckland has one of the lowest car ownership rates in NZ</q></p><p>I do wonder how much that is affected by cars that are no longer registered because the owners cannot afford to and/or don't want to. It will be an issue everywhere, but Auckland is home to…</p>
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				<title>Stewart</title>
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						The car-ownership figure will also be distorted by how poor the public transport is in most places in NZ.  At least the larger urban centres with some decent provision of public transport can allow people to dispense with car-ownership.  Not so easy in almost any rural setting.
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>or just maybe that for some Aucklanders, getting a home with parking space means you don’t have money left over for a car?</p><p>(Full disclosure: I have family members who fit the “5 non-mobile car” description, though none also with mobile homes.)</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Interesting discovery that Auckland has one of the lowest car ownership rates in NZ: <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10888174" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10888174</a></p><p>I suspect that it's distorted by all the places in NZ where the average is a home that's mobile and five cars that aren't.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Big difference between buying your home and land-banking the rural-urban fringe.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 20:00:53 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>We don’t have a shortage of land, we have a gross oversupply of greedy fucks who are incentivised by an utterly bizarre tax loophole to sit on land for a decade.</q></p><p>LOL strong words. Or one could say that there’s exactly as many “greedy fucks” as you’d expect for the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 19:02:04 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10887742" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This piece</a> in the Herald on Saturday highlighted just how little real problem there is with true greenfields land inside the MUL at present. The five blocks listed in that article total 167.45 hectares which, at a section size of 350sqm, is over 4700 individual sections not accounting for roads and…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 17:51:15 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Then again, I know quite a few people who grew up in a village lifestyle who just couldn't wait to get out. So maybe there's "grass is greener" effect here, and the main issue isn't so much what modes of existence there are so much as the ease of mobility…
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						<p><q> If the same happened to New Lynn, Glen Innes etc. (I have my doubts), then that’d be brilliant.</q></p><p>New Lynn is definitely more awesome than it was, but it’s no rival for the city and inner suburbs when thinking of a place for a night out. I frequently go there…</p>
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						And we wont even mention the cost of locums...the practice is a sole practice-
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						<p><q>As far as the question of the shortage of doctors, particularly in regional and rural areas, well, that’s a whole ’nother kettle of fish.</q></p><p>I have a sister-in-l;aw who is a highly qualified rural GP: my brother is her business manager. You're right: that set-up is an whole other kettle…</p>
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				<title>william blake</title>
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						<p>"We dream of a well-connected community linking up where we work, study and play."</p><p>This was happening, at least in Waitakere City, before the Super City struck. Seems to me this form of centralisation was another means for the neo cons to dissipate community and hobble democracy.</p>
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						<p><q>Some of the booing was captured on camera, halfway through this Campbell Live piece (one of the few balanced pieces on the plan in the mainstream media).</q><br />I must say, it's hard to watch that clip and not conclude that most of the opposition to the plan comes from smug,…</p>
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						Well, as one of the commenters who went off on the doctor-salary tangent, I agree that a successful plan for Auckland will make it a better city to live in for all its inhabitants. Obviously. The point I was trying to make is that I think there is a rich/poor…
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<p>I'm somewhat frustrated that the response of some people to the post was "doctors are fine" when that wasn't even what the article was about. All people should be able to demand quality city planning regardless of their profession.</p><p>Also some doctors aren't fine, we have a serious problem attracting…</p>
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				<title>81stcolumn</title>
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						It's sad that folk don't see the upside of a denser city.  I'm pretty sure we'd have better galleries and theatre for example.
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				<title>Sudhvir Singh</title>
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						<p>'People really did that at community meetings?'</p><p>Yep. Some of the booing was captured on camera, halfway through this Campbell Live piece (one of the few balanced pieces on the plan in the mainstream media).<br /><a href="http://www.3news.co.nz/Is-Aucklands-30-year-plan-heavy-handed/tabid/367/articleID/296215/Default.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.3news.co.nz/Is-Aucklands-30-year-plan-heavy-handed/tabid/367/articleID/296215/Default.aspx</a></p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>Auckland is a beautiful city</q><br />It was about 40 years ago. In the 70's it was a very lively place.<br /><q>We dream of a well-connected community linking up where we work, study and play.</q><br />Don't we all, well except the silly"old" farts who did this:<br /><q>We’ve turned up to local…</q></p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>And you deserve a range of options. Most of Auckland’s housing will still be single detached houses even after a flurry of terrace/apartment development over the next few decades.</q></p><p>The absence of any other choice in large parts of the city is a principal part of the problem.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> I dream nightly of a quarter acre pavlova paradise.</q></p><p>Fair enough, but there is and will continue to be a large majority of full sections in residential Auckland. And if you want the full quarter-acre for cheap, I can direct you to some delightful regional centres. Major cities? Gonna be…</p>
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						And you deserve a range of options. Most of Auckland's housing will still be single detached houses even after a flurry of terrace/apartment development over the next few decades.
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						While I have a fair amount of sympathy for the original post's ideas, I sit here in terrace house in the inner western suburb of Balmain in Sydney &ndash;  a mighty 190 square metres of what the Australians laughingly call a section. You could call think of it as a…
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				<title>Nathaniel Wilson</title>
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						I agree (what a turncoat), what Auckland has always lacked is a definite centre,obviously the CBD has always been a centre of sorts, but for long periods of time it wasn't, for example, the first place that came to mind when people felt like a night out.  But that's different…
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						<p><q>A couple of experts explain some relevant lessons from Seattle's successful planning..</q><br />Agree with all that. (Though I'm not a huge fan of Seattle. Very over-rated if you ask me, and still very car-based. Auckland should aim higher than that!)</p>
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						Similar to arguments I've read that we should somehow force people and businesses to spread around the nation. Young designers are just gagging to live in Tokoroa, you know. Same with established finance industry managers.
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						Right, thought you were talking about the UP, not its opponents. We are in agreement.
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>The way I understand what is proposed</q></p><p>What's <em>proposed</em> is sane. What many opponents are calling for, though, is actual decentralisation; many business centres spread across the city, spread out the employment, etc. The town centres will have small clusters of employment, frequently dedicated to servicing the locality. The opponents…</p>
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						<p><q>The way I understand what is proposed is that the goal is not so much decentralisation as increasing density around certain local centres in addition to the CBD.</q></p><p>The proposed Unitary Plan includes other strong centres already. Not building the Core Rail Link for instance (because it's seen as 'in…</p>
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						<p><q>The calls to decentralise and stop focussing on the CBD, for example, would deprive an area that's reviving of the people on which said revival relies.</q></p><p>The way I understand what is proposed is that the goal is not so much decentralisation as increasing density around certain local centres in…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>It’s what a place is like to live for the average person which is a real test of its ‘livability’.</q></p><p>Auckland is getting there in some ways, but some of the proposed "solutions" will destroy much of the headway that's been made in recent years. The calls to decentralise and…</p>
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						<p><q>I'm not talking Penrith or Wollongong though, emphasis on inner suburbs. I'm talking friends who have moved to Darlinghurst and Surrey Hills and walk to St Vincents Hospital and enjoy all the vibrancy in that area after work.</q><br />Yes, but my point is that while those places are nice, they…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>the amount of deadweight time involved in getting to and from work drove me nuts. </q></p><p>These days that's no longer the case for people who use public transport, what with smart-this and mobile-that. Drivers, however, are stuck with the grind, though I do at least use my commute to listen…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q> <em>No matter what job you do or commitments you have, if you’re working long hours you don’t want to spend your valuable time outside of work stuck in traffic.</em></p><p>So true. Takes family time away from far too many people.</q></p><p>When I briefly worked in an office in the 1990s,…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>And while I'm relating personal experience.</p><p>I live on a street made up of one fifth acre blocks, many with bungalows (mostly rotten), others with slightly more modern homes. My own home is on one tenth acre (410 sq m) with a shared driveway. Next door we have had two…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						My parents live in Titirangi, right up on the scenic drive. I live in the heart of Mt Roskill. While my father was alive and now with my mother it is almost impossible to make them understand that the fact that my father could drive from home to federal street…
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						<p><q>Older people tend to have accumulated more wealth, so yes. Interesting to see which suburbs are making the most noise.</q></p><p>Wealth also gets passed on, so a twenty-something who grew up in Remuera is likely to reap the benefits of their parents' wealth in a way that someone who grew…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>20 minutes from the CBD a generation ago was a long way out though. </q></p><p>20 minutes <em>at peak</em> was still not terribly far. Onehunga or Avondale, maybe.</p>
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				<title>Sudhvir Singh</title>
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						Good point &ndash; I'm not talking Penrith or Wollongong though, emphasis on inner suburbs. I'm talking friends who have moved to Darlinghurst and Surrey Hills and walk to St Vincents Hospital and enjoy all the vibrancy in that area after work.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>I think the real division is not generational, but the widening gulf between rich and poor. </q></p><p>Older people tend to have accumulated more wealth, so yes. Interesting to see which suburbs are making the most noise.</p>
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						<p>The only other thing I'd quibble with is the example of Sydney as somewhere people would go to enjoy a quality of life not available in sprawly Auckland.</p><p>I recently moved back to Auckland after five years in Sydney and my opinion is that Sydney is in many ways what…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>No matter what job you do or commitments you have, if you're working long hours you don't want to spend your valuable time outside of work stuck in traffic.</q></p><p>So true. Takes family time away from far too many people.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Thanks for writing this so well, sir. Can you comment more on this concern which I very much share, but do not know enough about yet:</p><p><q>How does the Unitary Plan ensure good quality urban design?</q></p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>As a general rule, med school loans only get massive (i.e., 6 figures) when the students get suckered into other loans</q></p><p>Six-year degree before specialisation. At <a href="http://www.auckland.ac.nz/uoa/cs-tuition-fees-ug-domestic" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this year's rates</a> that's $6,344 (average of the range) for the first year of BHS plus a further five years at $13,274 (total $66,370),…</p>
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				<title>Sudhvir Singh</title>
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						<p>I'm not suggesting we shed tears about junior doctor salaries.<br />More that, in addition to the problems you've identified due to entrenched inequality, as a result of the sprawling nature of our city with poor housing and transport options we're losing capable kiwis offshore. No matter what job you do…</p>
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				<title>Nathaniel Wilson</title>
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						20 minutes from the CBD a generation ago was a long way out though.  Don't get me wrong, I struggle to understand how there are enough folk earning enough money that we have 17 suburbs worth more than $1 mill, but Auckland has always been relatively unaffordable from the perspective…
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				<title>Nathaniel Wilson</title>
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						<p>Not to post-jack, but really?  </p><p>1) As a general rule, med school loans only get massive (i.e., 6 figures) when the students get suckered into other loans (e.g., MAS loans).  I lived with med students during my time accruing $50k worth of loan myself (over 10 years, and includes 2…</p>
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						<p><q>Young doctors have six figures of student loan hanging over them, with mandatory repayments consuming 12 cents in every dollar they earn above about $20k.</q></p><p>This is all true. Luckily for med school graduates, they are on a career path which will see them earning in the hundreds of thousands…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						On the topic of the age gap, one of the things that <em>really</em> makes me furious is that those of us in our 20s and 30s who're trying to get onto the property ladder are being told to moderate our aims by those already on it. Those people saying that…
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>I appreciate that it is harder to get into the Auckland property market than it was a generation ago, but somehow I think young doctors will be fine.</q></p><p>Young doctors have six figures of student loan hanging over them, with mandatory repayments consuming 12 cents in every dollar they earn…</p>
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				<title>Jim Welch</title>
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						Great post. I am very impressed with Generation Zero. Agree with pretty much everything you say. The only thing I'm a bit uneasy about is the idea that the main dividing line between supporters and opponents of change is age. I think the real division is not generational, but the…
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				<title>Martin Connelly</title>
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						A great article.  The only bit I disagree with is that Auckland is a beautiful city.  It has some nice parts but as a city it is a mess and large parts of its retail areas are almost slum like.  And part of the problem with getting some sort of…
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				<title>Nicola Eccleton</title>
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						Totally applies to Chch as well (except the traffic part!). Down here we have a blank canvas, and planners need to realise that some of us want to live in vibrant, buzzing communities, not 20kms away behind a white picket fence. From a post-grad student mum who will probably move…
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>The link to the unitary plan doesnae work.</q></p><p>Oops. My bad. Fixed now.</p>
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				<title>Rob Hosking</title>
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						The link to the unitary plan doesnae work.
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				<title>Stephen Close</title>
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						I believe that this is a well thought-out response to urban sprawl in our largest city.  It is imperative that action is taken now to limit further sprawl.  The cost to the country through lost hours commuting in dead-locked traffic must be astronomical.  I too have thought that living in…
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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