Public Address | Cafe | Polity: Gay marriage, weed, and death with dignity https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342689#post342689 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342689#post342689 Here, this might help. In Canada, the Bountiful case upheld Section 293 of the Canadian Criminal Code, which bans polygamy. However, its presiding Justice, Robert Bauman, distinguished polygamy from polyamory, which he didn't regard as illegal. Here's a link.

eference re Section 293 of the Canadian Criminal Code: 2011 British…

]]> Fri, 03 Jul 2015 10:55:04 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342676#post342676 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342676#post342676 How the Supreme Court's decision is playing out in Iran:

A leading Iranian actor has apologised after coming under pressure over a tweet he posted in support of a historic US supreme court ruling on gay marriage.

Bahram Radan, who is known as the Iranian Brad Pitt, created controversy in…

]]> Fri, 03 Jul 2015 08:03:12 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342668#post342668 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342668#post342668 on a less happy note, in Australia

... the christian wrong are using the threat of polyamory as a reason to oppose gay marriage. At least it's a backdown from the threat of beastiality.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jul/02/tony-abbott-digs-in-to-frustrate-any-posibillity-of-same-sex-marriage-vote

]]> Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:52:06 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342609#post342609 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342609#post342609 Thanks Craig, I know there are a lot of people like you who do care about equality.

I suspect given what happened in the case of monogamous gay marriage equality and same-sex parenting,

Yes, time. But those kids exist now, and have done for a long time. Plus we have…

]]> Thu, 02 Jul 2015 10:06:52 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342607#post342607 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342607#post342607 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:37:55 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342596#post342596 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342596#post342596 It’s been a little irksome seeing some queer activists dismissing marriage equality.

Come on Russell, give it a break. Let the monogamous monosexuals run round congratulating themselves on being progressive and liberal while pretending that there are no problems with marriage as it now is. How can you be so…

]]> Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:49:18 +1200 Danielle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342571#post342571 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342571#post342571 Maybe gay marriage will encourage the Americans to illegalise discrimination at the state level, but with the bleating about “state rights” already, I’m not holding my breath.

The ruling makes it a lot harder for states to get away with that, though. That's why it's A Good Thing, in general.

]]> Wed, 01 Jul 2015 13:28:20 +1200 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342570#post342570 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342570#post342570 in the US, you get tax breaks just for being married

Well only sort of, mostly all you get to do the equivalent of income averaging – you file jointly and the progressive tax steps are adjusted accordingly.

Mind you I guess in the US filing jointly is a big…

]]> Wed, 01 Jul 2015 13:21:39 +1200 TracyMac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342567#post342567 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342567#post342567 Wed, 01 Jul 2015 12:01:16 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342558#post342558 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342558#post342558 Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:32:41 +1200 John McCormick https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342557#post342557 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342557#post342557 Tue, 30 Jun 2015 16:01:58 +1200 Lucy Telfar Barnard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342551#post342551 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342551#post342551 Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:45:09 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342546#post342546 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342546#post342546 That’s an interesting point. So it basically means that a Republican candidate needs to express an anti-marriage equality position to win the primaries, but a pro-marriage equality position to win the election?

I suspect that if you sat down and did some reading you could find a dozen issues where…

]]> Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:00:03 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342545#post342545 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342545#post342545 Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:59:10 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342543#post342543 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342543#post342543 It’s been a little irksome seeing some queer activists dismissing marriage equality. It’s something people have struggled for for decades, something that seemed wild and unreachable for a lot of that time. It should be okay to celebrate a win and then look ahead.

Quite. This makes a whole bunch…

]]> Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:54:42 +1200 Lucy Telfar Barnard https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342538#post342538 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342538#post342538 The people who vote in their primaries are lagging behind the general population.That’s an interesting point. So it basically means that a Republican candidate needs to express an anti-marriage equality position to win the primaries, but a pro-marriage equality position to win the election? It’ll be entertaining watching the candidates… ]]> Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:44:05 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342536#post342536 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342536#post342536 source) illustrates the problem that Republican candidates face over same sex marriage. The people who vote in their primaries are lagging behind the general population. ]]> Tue, 30 Jun 2015 08:23:40 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342535#post342535 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342535#post342535 I find fairly persuasive the argument that this kind of social change has been somewhat accelerated by social media – we are emboldened by seeing that others think alike.

Marriage equality has the virtue (for most people) of being morally uncomplicated compared to euthanasia and straightforward compared to legalising weed.…

]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2015 23:09:51 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342531#post342531 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342531#post342531 With the SCOTUS ruling on same sex marriage, it's only fitting to drag this back out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_fAYl4Th4

]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2015 22:18:07 +1200 Myles Thomas https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342530#post342530 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342530#post342530 Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:55:03 +1200 simon g https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342528#post342528 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342528#post342528 The voice of the "moderate" (AKA "sensible", "mainstream", you all know the code) politician throughout the ages:

1) "I'm not going anywhere near that" (where "that" shall be issues pertaining to drugs, race, sexuality, euthanasia, you all know the list).

2) "Somebody else has made it happen? Well, I'm on…

]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:30:19 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342525#post342525 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342525#post342525 It now seems quite weird and old fashioned that Australia is the only anglophonic country to not have same-sex marriage.

The Hobart Mercury's Christopher Downes nails the weirdness.

]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:35:32 +1200 Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342524#post342524 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342524#post342524 There’s a really good illustration of how quickly this change has occurred, and the tipping point seems to have come in 2013.

And 2013 is when New Zealand happily legalised same-sex marriage, going with the flow. It now seems quite weird and old fashioned that Australia is the only anglophonic…

]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:21:08 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342521#post342521 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342521#post342521 Well, pot doesn’t raise an issue of constitutional rights, so there isn’t a Bill of Rights path to the Supreme Court. Which means it has to be fought State by State through the political process.

Except it's becoming pretty clear that by legalizing it those states have been able to…

]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:05:24 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342520#post342520 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342520#post342520 Loving v Virginia

I regularly listen to a podcast called Stuff you missed in history class and they did a two part podcast on this case. It really was interesting both for the efforts to allow interracial marriage and for the view of society at that time (noting that some…

]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:03:14 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342518#post342518 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342518#post342518 Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:56:29 +1200 Andrew Geddis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342517#post342517 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342517#post342517 Just a comment on these points:

...how quickly the country went from its first law permitting same-sex marriage (2004, in Massachusetts), to a majority of States first acting to ban same-sex marriage, then after 2012 a majority of States moving to allow it (36 by last week)...

A majority of…

]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2015 16:34:40 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342509#post342509 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342509#post342509 My prediction on this is that there will be some Republican wailing and gnashing-of-teeth this Republican primary cycle, then the eventual nominee will choose not to make it a big deal in the general election because, you know, 60% like the change

60% who were never going to vote for…

]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:45:41 +1200 George Darroch https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342508#post342508 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342508#post342508 There’s a really good illustration of how quickly this change has occurred (source with code), and the tipping point seems to have come in 2013.

I’d like to think about what all of this means for a country which thinks of itself as “liberal” and “progressive”, but which sometimes stutters…

]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2015 14:38:50 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342507#post342507 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-gay-marriage-weed-and-death-with/?p=342507#post342507 Discussion from blog post.

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