Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: Facing the floods https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312364#post312364 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312364#post312364 Now for the PM10 figures recall.


BTW, KordaMentha report into CCC coming out this afternoon. Chris Lynch on ZB says Raf Manji told him yesterday in an interview for CTV that the city is "facing a tsunami of debt".

]]> Wed, 07 May 2014 10:29:55 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312282#post312282 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312282#post312282 Vindications are...
We always get nearly 50% more than the amount recorded at the airport.
While your readings are different you cant compare them with the standardised ‘ official gauges’

Michael you keep on comparing your figures...
– the 'official gauges' were wrong!
Keep questioning 'officialdumb', especially when…

]]> Tue, 06 May 2014 12:11:05 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312231#post312231 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312231#post312231 Mon, 05 May 2014 22:29:39 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312143#post312143 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312143#post312143 National is Toast – collect the set!
…this miracle ought to get him over the hump.
Nice!
The Patron(ising) Saint of Pop-Up (Cities)…
and imagine him smeared in dairy products, yum…

…Oh, sorry, for that image…

]]> Mon, 05 May 2014 12:06:07 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312139#post312139 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312139#post312139 Brownlee is nigh on getting a sainthood
With the bar for canonizations currently set so low this miracle ought to get him over the hump.

]]> Mon, 05 May 2014 11:57:49 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312104#post312104 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312104#post312104 St Gerry and the Tower Miracle…
Not really the right thread but it’s the most recent Chchch one (and James or Labour may be able to follow up on this usefully)
Brownlee is nigh on getting a sainthood for intervening in [[http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/10007533/Pharmacist-Brownlee-saved-the-day|a dispute between a shopowner and Telecom – result:…

]]> Mon, 05 May 2014 07:14:49 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312068#post312068 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312068#post312068 I went to the flood drop-in today. Lots of ppl hving big talks, mainly about Flockton. However, talking with the CCC officials was illuminating. They must gather their info pronto so do fill out a survey and let them know what's going on for you.

I've made strong suggestions about…

]]> Sat, 03 May 2014 19:40:12 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312040#post312040 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312040#post312040 have tripled since the EPICs started planning the new project two years ago! ]]> Sat, 03 May 2014 09:35:36 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312034#post312034 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=312034#post312034 the Enervation Precinct
More Government enabled backwards steps...
aka the 'Soft sodden earth shuffle' or the 'Liquefactionist Jig'

The tenants of the groundbreaking EPIC building has been forced to look outside the 'Innovation Precinct' for premises!

Perhaps Gerry, Cera & Warwick at CCDU thought 'Innovation' meant __a lot of applause in…

]]> Sat, 03 May 2014 08:32:08 +1200 Steve Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311953#post311953 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311953#post311953 Fri, 02 May 2014 10:47:24 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311949#post311949 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311949#post311949 Crap like this from The Press doesn’t help one bit!
From Moaning Report to parsing the Press – frying pan to fire in one small skip! :)
– the Conway line is ludicrous. But it's clear there's a fast-emerging talking point from the right: pin everything bad in Chch on…

]]> Fri, 02 May 2014 10:11:07 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311946#post311946 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311946#post311946 Crap like this from The Press doesn’t help one bit!
the writer Glenn Conway must have listened to a different interview to me and the rest of the nation… or maybe it’s misplaced journalistic solidarity..
This has heaped all the pressure on Dalziel and her staff, and there…

]]> Fri, 02 May 2014 08:19:43 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311925#post311925 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311925#post311925 Pakuranga Gall*
Whoops!
Looks like the wheels fell off the Maurice Minor
parked in the Leaders Precinct!

*Take it away you economic wizards...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xz0U0bt7Oc
..an error may occur, but at least some of it is preserved for posterity!

sorry for that moment of levity, but Williamson, wow!

]]> Thu, 01 May 2014 19:46:59 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311903#post311903 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311903#post311903 Thu, 01 May 2014 15:06:43 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311902#post311902 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311902#post311902 My Father in law went to Christchurch recently.
He returned ashen faced saying it was like a war zone, he knows what they are like.
He said he had no idea it was that bad. He is not alone.
He was so concerned as to lot leave his wife's ashes…

]]> Thu, 01 May 2014 14:49:53 +1200 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311901#post311901 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311901#post311901 Thu, 01 May 2014 14:40:44 +1200 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311900#post311900 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311900#post311900 What I really like is when people outside Chch allow us to speak, and listen to what we say. The situation here is so complex and difficult, and very few people outside Christchurch have any understanding of it.

I get the sense the rest of NZ is sick of hearing…

]]> Thu, 01 May 2014 14:34:51 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311895#post311895 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311895#post311895 Can I just say, that folk in other cities pontificating on what should be done based solely on what they see on the telly, hear on the radio, or even read in the papers, is about as helpful, and caring as your average concern troll.

What we missed out on…

]]> Thu, 01 May 2014 12:19:10 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311894#post311894 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311894#post311894 CCC environment general manager: he's talking crap re the Heathcote River. Fuck.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/9996815/Lianne-Dalziel-responds-to-flooding-questions

]]> Thu, 01 May 2014 12:10:30 +1200 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311892#post311892 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311892#post311892 Watching Dalziel on TV the other night she seems to have become a ‘small person’, like the people that used to get walked all over, and who Lianne had advocated for strongly, before as an MP.

The CCC can't do anything much without Gerry's say so. He has extraordinary powers…

]]> Thu, 01 May 2014 12:01:36 +1200 Steve Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311891#post311891 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311891#post311891 Agree there Raymond.
Watching Dalziel on TV the other night she seems to have become a 'small person', like the people that used to get walked all over, and who Lianne had advocated for strongly, before as an MP.

Is it because as an MP with a caucus, she could…

]]> Thu, 01 May 2014 11:52:53 +1200 Raymond A Francis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311882#post311882 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311882#post311882 I have to say I am disappointed in the Mayors role in this
She has a furiously keen mind and has the skill set to get things done
But so far not much has changed, ok it is early days but she must have known the problems Christchurch faced, she…

]]> Thu, 01 May 2014 10:51:31 +1200 Steve Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311874#post311874 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311874#post311874 We always get nearly 50% more than the amount recorded at the airport.
Well the isoclines of rainfall depth show only about 10% increase on the lower Port Hills over the flat.
While your readings are different you cant compare them with the standardised ' official gauges'

]]> Thu, 01 May 2014 09:40:24 +1200 Steve Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311873#post311873 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311873#post311873 From the historical analysis of the Hagley park rainfall, it gives a 1%AEP about 90mm in 10 hr and 30mm in 1hr

http://ecan.govt.nz/publications/Reports/review-frequency-high-intensity-rainfalls-christchurch.pdf

]]> Thu, 01 May 2014 09:35:57 +1200 Michael Ball https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311870#post311870 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311870#post311870 Thu, 01 May 2014 09:31:23 +1200 Steve Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311869#post311869 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311869#post311869 That rain gauge is miles from Flockton; it's on the other side of town. Completely different microclimate: rainfall,..
Thats the closest that Ecan has ( mostly they have them in rural areas)

Metservice shows yesterday was only 38.8mm in Christchurch ( Hagley park)
Home user gauges arent reliable enough, those…

]]> Thu, 01 May 2014 09:27:57 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311859#post311859 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311859#post311859 Bring back the Drainage Board!
in deference to our wannabe TPPA partners, the USA, we could call it The Water Board – especially if want answers from anyone, any time soon...

... same upstream in the Heathcote
True, that was all market gardens when I was a kid, with most…

]]> Thu, 01 May 2014 07:29:46 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311850#post311850 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311850#post311850 The government/Cera's lack of decision-making on the red zone is the reason for the flooding in Kaiapoi. Why then is the region's red zone future still not settled?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/north-canterbury/9993822/Flooding-enrages-Kaiapoi-residents

Specifically this

" [Waimak mayor David] Ayers acknowledged there were ongoing flooding issues in parts of Kaiapoi and Fernside, near Rangiora,…

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 23:07:31 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311847#post311847 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311847#post311847 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 22:27:54 +1200 Lilith __ https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311840#post311840 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311840#post311840 That might work for Flockton basin, but Flockton is only a small part of the problem. The flooding there is intolerable and affects a concentrated area, but the wider problem affects many more – possibly thousands – of properties.

There is obviously a major issue with reduced drainage capability in…

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:57:23 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311839#post311839 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311839#post311839 I posted this over on The Standard site re Dudley Creek area:

I too live in this area, and regularly walk along Stapletons Road by Dudley Creek, the current creek bed is pretty much silted up to where the bank tops used to be in many places, such that it…

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:54:36 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311838#post311838 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311838#post311838 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:31:46 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311837#post311837 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311837#post311837 I believe a lot of decisions relating to our land were made very early on, with no knowledge that of the land changes that could happen.

I wish I could agree the decision-makers did not know..

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:24:14 +1200 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311836#post311836 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311836#post311836 I suspect because there's already a natural wetland, and that's what is flooding every time. The question is, as with all these things, who will pay to move the human stuff out of the wetland.

So much of the long-term trauma seems to come down to money. The PTB have…

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:06:27 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311835#post311835 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311835#post311835 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:04:41 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311830#post311830 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311830#post311830 Practical suggestion from a Standard commenter:

What I don’t get about the solutions proposed is why they’re not even bothering with creating an artificial wetland to act as a holding basin and slowly release the water into Dudley Creek.

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 20:20:39 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311827#post311827 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311827#post311827 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 20:17:13 +1200 Michael Ball https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311817#post311817 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311817#post311817 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:57:54 +1200 Michael Ball https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311816#post311816 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311816#post311816 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:55:25 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311805#post311805 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311805#post311805 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:26:45 +1200 tim oliver https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311800#post311800 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311800#post311800 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:07:37 +1200 Steve Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311790#post311790 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311790#post311790 A look at a few numbers from the Ecan rain gauge at Halswell Ryans Bridge which seems to be the closest point to Flockton.
http://ecan.govt.nz/services/online-services/monitoring/rainfall/Pages/rainfall-chart.aspx?SiteNo=326512
The peak events this year seem to be all under 45mm for 24h. A few last year went from 45mm to 65mm.
The Council design…

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 17:40:24 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311765#post311765 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311765#post311765 . But we need to make it clear that this is about earthquakes, not climate change. The quakes have damaged our rivers, creeks, and the wider drainage network. This is why this should be the domain of the Earthquake Recovery Minister primarily.

Yes. However, there's a conflation of quake-induced changes…

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 16:20:00 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311722#post311722 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311722#post311722 Russell, you’re spot on. Key’s photo ops and Brownlee’s bullying are not helping, and Lianne has been left to handle the mess while these goons play their power games.

Lianne seems to be a consensus builder, but what if Brownlee & Co back her into a corner and she goes outrightly…

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 12:05:53 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311721#post311721 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311721#post311721 Correct. I don’t have any problem with a disclaimer. For those of you that don’t follow me on twitter, I am the Labour candidate in Ilam, going up against Gerry (who was pretty quiet yesterday)

I'll add that disclaimer. Should have thought of it in the first place.

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 12:04:52 +1200 Ed Muzik https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311720#post311720 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311720#post311720 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 12:03:43 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311719#post311719 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311719#post311719 But they also need to shift some of the public ire from Brownlee, so briefings go out to the usual suspects putting the heat on Dalziel.

I've been picking out a lot of fallacies on Twitter lately. If what you say is true, then the usual suspects' latest moves look…

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 12:03:32 +1200 Robert Fox https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311716#post311716 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311716#post311716 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:56:52 +1200 Gregor Ronald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311713#post311713 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311713#post311713 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:53:31 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311712#post311712 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311712#post311712 Noah way out...
Insomuch as Ilam is west of 'Flockton Basin' and a heavily built up area, the run off and trickle down effects must pass through all suburbs betwixt there and the sea, at a inclination of about 1 per 100 (I think), then draining into tidally affected rivers…

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:51:58 +1200 Gregor Ronald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311711#post311711 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311711#post311711 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:51:37 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311704#post311704 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311704#post311704 Okay, here’s what I think is going on.

National has been using Curia to poll on perceptions of Brownlee in Christchurch, which will be awful.

So they fly in Key to stand next to Brownlee and radiate chummy star power.

But they also need to shift some of the public…

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:40:39 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311695#post311695 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311695#post311695 Why did the council and Cera not address it as a matter of urgency?

does the problem affect Gerry's neck of the woods.. ?

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 11:06:43 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311687#post311687 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311687#post311687 Thanks sorry! That’s what I meant.

[Fixed it – RB]

]]> Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:45:53 +1200 Gabor Toth https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311685#post311685 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311685#post311685 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:40:43 +1200 Hebe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311683#post311683 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311683#post311683 Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:16:59 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311682#post311682 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-facing-the-floods/?p=311682#post311682 Discussion from blog post.

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