Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: Data Love or: How I learnt to stop worrying and love Donald Trump https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Fen Tex https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=367272#post367272 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=367272#post367272 Sat, 15 Oct 2016 11:41:53 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=363577#post363577 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=363577#post363577 the anger is huffing and puffing in the United States
Mr Brown said the suspect had been killed when police used explosives placed by a robot to end a tense stand-off in a building where he had taken cover. Before that, he had spoken to a negotiator.
source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36745862
It…

]]> Sat, 09 Jul 2016 09:52:08 +1200 David Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=358850#post358850 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=358850#post358850 Fri, 08 Apr 2016 12:27:21 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=358825#post358825 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=358825#post358825 Super delegates are unlikely to change the popular vote. But if it's close, it's more likely to be rancourous. It's nothing like the GOP trainwreck. But there's a mirror dynamic going on.
The 'establishment' – and from everything I've heard from her, that definitely includes Hilary – just don't get…

]]> Thu, 07 Apr 2016 20:57:57 +1200 David Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=358822#post358822 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=358822#post358822 Thu, 07 Apr 2016 17:36:22 +1200 Kirk Serpes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=358795#post358795 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=358795#post358795 Thu, 07 Apr 2016 00:16:01 +1200 Brent Jackson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357839#post357839 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357839#post357839 Let’s just hope there are no major scandals or actual terror or economic threats as that could actually create enough fear and panic for the voters to pick an “outsider” like him.

I’d say Trump himself is the “actual terror or economic threat” for quite a number of voters, and…

]]> Tue, 15 Mar 2016 09:28:49 +1300 Kirk Serpes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357823#post357823 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357823#post357823 Mon, 14 Mar 2016 22:25:46 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357760#post357760 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357760#post357760 Mob rule?
Trump blamed supporters of Democratic candidate Sanders for the incidents in Chicago, where scuffles broke out between protesters and backers of the real estate magnate. He called the US senator from Vermont "our communist friend".
On Sunday, he went a step further in an early morning post on…

]]> Mon, 14 Mar 2016 08:31:24 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357759#post357759 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357759#post357759 Yes the frontline of any such movement has to be people who are extreme enough to risk being attacked by a crowd. In the case of rushing the stage, it's bordering on suicidal in the USA.

I'm certainly not saying Trump is great because he's encouraged extreme behaviour and violence…

]]> Mon, 14 Mar 2016 08:27:02 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357754#post357754 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357754#post357754 t’s heartening that there is a strong enough undercurrent of sane people in American to build a protest movement against Trump before he gets too powerful. He may well mobilize the youth there, in a way that he did not intend.

As Josh Marshall points out, not all the protesters…

]]> Mon, 14 Mar 2016 07:02:31 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357753#post357753 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357753#post357753 network building

great article. recommend

]]> Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:19:22 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357752#post357752 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357752#post357752 Young protestors were just as mobilised against Nixon and Reagan – before they won landslides.

I'm just glad to see that the part of America that even can protest is still healthy. Those young protestors you refer to are now old people.

]]> Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:53:54 +1300 simon g https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357751#post357751 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357751#post357751 That's too optimistic, Ben. Young protestors were just as mobilised against Nixon and Reagan – before they won landslides.

The mobilising has to happen within the Republican Party. It beggars belief that a conservative Hillary Clinton is somebody they are prepared to try and stop with a Trump. But when…

]]> Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:37:06 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357750#post357750 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357750#post357750 against him, that his violent rhetoric cuts both ways in a society that is full of fear… ]]> Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:31:10 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357746#post357746 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357746#post357746 Trump claimed today that they who tried to rush him onstage is connected to Isis.

His evidence? This patently falsified video. And all the rubes believe him and are just that bit more angry and paranoid.

https://youtu.be/XIdaEoBuu3Q

]]> Sun, 13 Mar 2016 16:22:29 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357745#post357745 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357745#post357745 the penalty for homosexuality should be death –– and the introduces the candidate. ]]> Sun, 13 Mar 2016 16:20:05 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357744#post357744 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357744#post357744 This Rachel Maddow video tracing Trump's escalating rhetoric about using violence against protesters is chilling. There's something very bad going on here. ]]> Sun, 13 Mar 2016 16:18:29 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357742#post357742 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357742#post357742 'Fantasy and schoolyard taunts' – Barack Obama's brutal assessment of the rise of Donald Trump
The Republican Party set the conditions long ago for Trump's success, Obama said. The billionaire just capitalized on the GOP's own tactics, the president argued:
"What is happening in this primary is just a distillation…

]]> Sun, 13 Mar 2016 15:52:01 +1300 David Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357730#post357730 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357730#post357730 Just reading about how, because Sander's support is local and decentralised (and being built as such), it cannot be centrally run- it is network building that happens to be focus on progressive candidates than a campaign of an established party for a person.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/12/inside-bernie-sanders-campaign-do-or-die

]]> Sun, 13 Mar 2016 11:48:32 +1300 John Farrell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357719#post357719 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357719#post357719 Trump's Chicago rally cancelled:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/mar/11/us-elections-ben-carson-donald-trump-endorsement-live

]]> Sat, 12 Mar 2016 16:58:56 +1300 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357712#post357712 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357712#post357712 Sat, 12 Mar 2016 15:22:59 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357698#post357698 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357698#post357698 No getting this 'genie' back in the bottle...
Trump is throwing petrol on a long smouldering fire – enabling homicidal meatheads – this can't end well.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/10/trump-protester-sucker-punched-at-north-carolina-rally-videos-show/
In footage published by Inside Edition, a man identified as McGraw is asked if he liked the event.
“You bet I liked it,”…

]]> Sat, 12 Mar 2016 09:06:05 +1300 Winifred Kiddle https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357694#post357694 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357694#post357694 What a load of bollocks and why I NEVER READ MAINSTREAM MEDIA. Here's something about Hilary you appear to have missed and how easily you use the word fascist without fully explaining what it means. Who's a fascist?
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/10/hillary-clinton-the-queen-of-chaos-and-the-threat-of-world-war-iii/. I could find some more less than flattering articles. Oh wait…

]]> Sat, 12 Mar 2016 06:36:14 +1300 Graham Dunster https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357669#post357669 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357669#post357669 Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:03:16 +1300 Graham Dunster https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357668#post357668 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357668#post357668 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/07/donald-trump-why-americans-support ]]> Fri, 11 Mar 2016 17:02:05 +1300 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357665#post357665 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357665#post357665 Hang on a sec. Are you saying that progressive Americans should vote Clinton because she's the least progressive option available to them, for the reason that – being hostile to their views – she will ipso facto increase their engagement and therefore allow them to sway her policy agenda?

Long…

]]> Fri, 11 Mar 2016 16:39:32 +1300 tony j ricketts https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357656#post357656 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357656#post357656 Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:50:53 +1300 Grant McDougall https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357632#post357632 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357632#post357632 Fri, 11 Mar 2016 12:17:19 +1300 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357630#post357630 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357630#post357630 she may still be arrested over the Libyan embassy fiasco

On some other planet.
In the end, leading (since dumped!) GOP congressional republicans described the committee they set up to ‘investigate’ the State Depts role in ‘Benghazi’ as just a smear campaign.
The ‘email scandal’ is just as trumped up.…

]]> Fri, 11 Mar 2016 12:02:53 +1300 Grant McDougall https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357628#post357628 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357628#post357628 Fascinating read, cheers. However, does Hillary have an Achille's heel ?
I was talking about her chances the other day with a friend and he pointed out that she may still be arrested over the Libyan embassy fiasco. Therefore, this would prevent her from running.

My friend may be wrong…

]]> Fri, 11 Mar 2016 11:18:12 +1300 mccx https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357588#post357588 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357588#post357588 I dunno, this argument puts a lot of faith in the ability of progressive movements to make long-term electoral and structural changes might eventually get to a progressive (or at least Democratic) Congress and President.

The Executive branch is incredibly powerful even by itself and I think there would be…

]]> Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:15:07 +1300 John Palethorpe https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357551#post357551 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357551#post357551 There's been some absolute shockers from the pollsters in the last 12 months. They completely failed to see the Conservative majority in the UK coming and they'd marked Hillary so far up it seemed like victory was inevitable.

There's not enough data to draw a grand conclusion, but there's some…

]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2016 21:01:42 +1300 David Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357549#post357549 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357549#post357549 Wed, 09 Mar 2016 20:14:40 +1300 Kirk Serpes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357542#post357542 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357542#post357542 Wed, 09 Mar 2016 18:41:16 +1300 John Farrell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357535#post357535 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357535#post357535 President Trump's first 100 days:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/298482/donald-trump-is-in-the-house

]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2016 17:09:10 +1300 David Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357527#post357527 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357527#post357527 I do not think Sanders can win against the Democratic Party establishment.

But on the getting things done, I would note that when he headed the Senate's Veteran Affairs committee, he got a lot more bipartisan legislation passed (including new spending) than was typical for veteran affairs committees in other…

]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:15:43 +1300 David Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357525#post357525 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357525#post357525 While from the distance of left wing socialist NZ that might seem like a good thing, the fact is the US system works only because of balance. A democrat party dominated congress senate president and supreme court is possible if still unlikely. I don't think anyone knows where that might… ]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2016 14:05:53 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357519#post357519 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357519#post357519 Wed, 09 Mar 2016 13:37:11 +1300 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357515#post357515 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357515#post357515 the Republicans are going to confirm Obama’s Supreme Court nominee
That's a bold prediction! You should put a bet on it :) https://www.predictit.org/Contract/2091/Will-the-Senate-confirm-any-SCOTUS-nominee-before-Obama-leaves-office#data

]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:59:25 +1300 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357514#post357514 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357514#post357514 The energy that’s behind Sanders right now needs to be channelled into more regional and local battles.
Sanders is unlikely to win the nomination (it's a long-shot, but watch Michigan today, and on the 15th, Ohio – if he does well in both, and wins one – he's back in…

]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:55:44 +1300 Fen Tex https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357509#post357509 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357509#post357509 I absolutely agree with you on every point. Trump cannot win the Presidency, Clinton is a more robust politician who will advance the Democratic party and policies more than Sanders could.

I expect Sanders would be a perfectly fine executive and there are plenty of positives in his having the…

]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:13:10 +1300 David Hood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357506#post357506 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357506#post357506 And while I like a lot of Bernie Sanders’ ideas, I have yet to see a single sentence from him that acknowledges how he’s going to make them happen against a congressional firewall that would be even stronger than the one Obama’s faced.

As far as I can see from…

]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2016 12:03:55 +1300 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357504#post357504 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357504#post357504 I thought this analysis complete with all its caveats was interesting.

TLDR Trumps loses to any candidate Sanders beats any candidate.

]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2016 11:56:22 +1300 Nik Dirga https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357503#post357503 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357503#post357503 Wed, 09 Mar 2016 11:51:50 +1300 bob daktari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357502#post357502 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357502#post357502 Dr Kirk is that what the kids are calling it these days?

Political predictions always seem to make sense until proved wrong by the actual voters

]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2016 11:40:52 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357498#post357498 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357498#post357498 Wed, 09 Mar 2016 11:28:55 +1300 Alastair Thompson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357497#post357497 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357497#post357497 Phew!

Well I will stop worrying about that then.

]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2016 11:26:07 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357496#post357496 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-data-love-or-how-i-learnt-to-stop/?p=357496#post357496 Discussion from blog post.

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