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		<title>Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: Bad Aid: How Murray McCully is Breaking Your Aid Programme</title>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p><q>It seems to me Terence that your last post is a good draft of a counterblast to McCully’s op-ed. I think you should phone the Dom Post op-ed editor and offer them an article.</q></p><p>+1</p>
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				<title>Andrew E</title>
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						It seems to me Terence that your last post is a good draft of a counterblast to McCully's op-ed.  I think you should phone the Dom Post op-ed editor and offer them an article.
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						<p>McCully's Op-Ed is <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5077354/Development-dollars-go-where-we-can-make-the-biggest-differenc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.</p><p>In it he states that:</p><p><q>And he holds the view not uncommon in the aid industry that the business of handing out taxpayer funds should be reserved for so-called "development specialists" who are beings of superior intellect, attested to by development degrees from Massey University, who…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 12:04:29 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p>Sez the Muzza...</p><blockquote><p>"The acid test is this: ask the Pacific leaders whether they want New Zealand aid dollars to pour into poverty subsidisation programmes that lead nowhere and are top heavy with expensive administrators, or whether they want to prioritise the development of sustainable futures in fisheries, tourism, agriculture…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 09:15:50 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p>Well, McCully has <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5076392/McCullys-scathing-reply-to-aid-critic" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">come out swinging</a>, labelling Adams a failur on the basis that the Auditor General's reviews of NZAID were "scathing" and that "changes were made to avoid pouring money into "poverty subsidisation" programmes."</p><p>Having just read the 2008 review (with, as you would expect, a narrow focus on…</p>
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				<title>Andrew E</title>
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						Indeed.  It's what underpinned Mrs Thatcher's attitude to the UK Civil Service, and is the political ideology behind the <em>Yes, Minister</em> series.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>the expert trying to protect a perceived priviliged position</q></p><p>yes, standard neolib twaddle</p>
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				<title>Tony Parker</title>
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						<p><q>Why is it that so many Ministers in the current government seem allergic to expert advice or evidence? (Anne Tolley and National Standards springs immediately to mind, but there are plenty of other examples) </q><br />My theory on this is that they feel experts have a vested interest in whatever is…</p>
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						<p>Thanks Matthew,</p><p>The original agreement was .7% of GNP but now it's put in terms of GNI (Gross National Income) which is effectively equal to GNP.</p>
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				<title>Matthew Reid</title>
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						<p><q>Hi Rik,<br />The aid programme is approx $500m. I had govt revenue as approx $50B. So that's where my figure came from.<br />$500m is a lot of money true, but it's still only 1%. Or, to put it another way, not so much when you know how much is actually…</q></p>
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				<title>Andrew E</title>
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						<p>It seems to me that this is an essential element of the media &ndash; to provide witness that what has been done has not gone un-noticed.</p><p>However, to misquote a certain political theorist, the point is not only to bear witness to the things going wrong in the world, but…</p>
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				<title>martinb</title>
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						Oh well, at least if nothing changes hard news/ public address is here to Quaker-like provide witness- first tourism and now aid.
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				<title>Andrew E</title>
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						<p><q>Yeah, thanks Andrew, I’m just feeling pessimistic about how many people are going to do that... </q></p><p>So am I.  But that pessimism needs to be converted into anger about the present state of affairs, and the will to encourage others to vote for (at least) a less-worse option.  As Mr…</p>
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						<p>Hi Rik,</p><p>The aid programme is approx $500m. I had govt revenue as approx $50B. So that's where my figure came from.</p><p>$500m is a lot of money true, but it's still only 1%. Or, to put it another way, not so much when you know how much is actually…</p>
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				<title>Rik</title>
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						<p><q>About one dollar out of every hundred you pay in tax ends up going to the New Zealand Government aid programme. It’s not a lot of money...</q></p><p>With individual income taxes sitting at around $24.3b that 1% works out at $243m. Is that really what inhabitants of a small country…</p>
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				<title>Fionnaigh McKenzie</title>
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						<p>Yeah, thanks Andrew, I’m just feeling pessimistic about how many people are going to do that... </p><p>CWS have an emergency appeal to cover the funding gap resulting from the abrupt changes to NGO funding – some of the CWS partners would normally receive grants in June. I believe they do…</p>
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						<p>Well, you're just one blog commenter, Andin, and like lawyers, I can provide you with another one that will give you a counterview.<br />;)</p>
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						<p>Thanks for the JSM quote Andrew :)</p><p>Fionnaigh, good question, I mused on this at DevPolicy a while back: <a href="http://devpolicy.org/right-turn/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://devpolicy.org/right-turn/</a></p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q>This undermines their ideology of the primacy of the individual, </q><br />Of course they don't mean this to refer to <strong>all</strong> individuals equally. I believe there is inherently a pecking order, emanating in concentric circles from their earthly bodies.</p>
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				<title>Andrew E</title>
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						Put your 'x' in the right place in November?
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				<title>Fionnaigh McKenzie</title>
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						Thanks Terence, great summary of badness and brokenness. Can we please have part II: What can concerned citizens do to end this madness?
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				<title>Fionnaigh McKenzie</title>
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						Thanks Terence, great summary of badness and brokenness. Can we please have part II: What can concerned citizens do to end this madness?
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						<p><q> <em>Why is it that so many Ministers in the current government seem allergic to expert advice or evidence?</em></p><p>Politicians of the right often see themselves as the "deciders" &ndash; it is a different model of leadership and power. Refer George Lakoff, etc.</q></p><p>It's worse than that. The whole concept of…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Why is it that so many Ministers in the current government seem allergic to expert advice or evidence?</q></p><p>Politicians of the right often see themselves as the "deciders" &ndash; it is a different model of leadership and power. Refer George Lakoff, etc.</p>
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						Alternatively, you could just argue that Conservatives see aid funding as just another pot of taxpayer money to loot for lining the pockets of their friends and donors.  But that would be truly cynical...
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				<title>Andrew E</title>
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						<q>Why is it that so many Ministers in the current government seem allergic to expert advice or evidence? (Anne Tolley and National Standards springs immediately to mind, but there are plenty of other examples) They think that some uninformed idea they happen to randomly think up will be better than…</q>
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						<p>...where the power is still on, at least for now.</p><p>Someone mentioned the UK Conservative party up thread, and I was going to say that it's interesting to compare what's happened to the UK's aid programme under the Conservatives with what's happened in NZ under National. My own personal politics…</p>
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				<title>Lilith __</title>
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						<p>This is an important matter, thanks for writing it up, Terence.</p><p>Why is it that so many Ministers in the current government seem allergic to expert advice or evidence?  (Anne Tolley and National Standards springs immediately to mind, but there are plenty of other examples)  They think that some uninformed…</p>
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						<p>oh &ndash; and someone's just pointed out to me a typo in paragraph 5. The last sentence should read:</p><p>"The programme wasn’t perfect but, had you inquired in 2008, you’d have struggled to find anyone who knew anything about aid who <strong>thought</strong> it needed a drastic overhaul."</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Thanks everyone for your comments. On recent form that power will likely go off here shortly, taking with it my internet access, but a couple of quick points.</q></p><p>Just to explain, Terence isn't in Wellington as per his profile info, but Honiara.</p>
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				<title>Terence Wood</title>
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						<p>Thanks everyone for your comments. On recent form that power will likely go off here shortly, taking with it my internet access, but a couple of quick points.</p><p>Nik Pak,</p><p>You're absolutely correct, some of the Minister's desired indicators of aid success are liable to be completely unreliable once one…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Reid</title>
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						<p><q>Why, it's just NZ's Transparency Intl rating.<br />That's probably safe. Transparency International's rankings aren't based on any hard science, but rely on asking businessmen how corrupt they think a country is. It's almost axiomatic that the style of friends and favours corruption practiced in New Zealand isn't seen as such.</q>…</p>
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				<title>Sue</title>
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						oh i knew the aid situation was bad but not this bad. In the new way of delivering aid there seems to be two words missing  &ndash;  compassion and understanding.
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				<title>Nick Pak</title>
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						One thing I can’t understand is how McCully is proposing to measure the efficacy of NZ’s spending against those broad aggregate measures he suggested when it will be swamped by donations from other countries. NZ’s spending (US$3.6m) is less than 10% of all Development Assistance Committee and UN spending (~US…
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						<blockquote><p>Unfortunately, as the last two and a half years have shown, Murray McCully clearly doesn’t know anything about aid.</p></blockquote><p>So that’s goes on the list of things Murray knows nothing about. Boy am I getting tired of all these nervous nellies who have travelled the safe path risen to positions…</p>
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				<title>Ewan Morris</title>
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						Thanks for this, Terence. What I find particularly depressing is the fact that the media have almost entirely ignored McCully's destruction of our aid programme. When the former Director of NZAID (an ex-diplomat, and not one to speak out in such strong terms without very good cause) writes a <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/5006822/NZ-aid-programme-fails-with-quality-not-quantity-creed" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">column</a>…
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				<title>Andrew E</title>
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						Just what I was about to say.  NZ's Transparency International rating comes from the 'Corruption Perceptions Index', not from asking ordinary people about their experience with bribery and corruption.
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						<p><q>You're very right to emphasise that aid is not about what you have to give, it is about what is needed.</q></p><p>And that's probably why it's all gone so terribly downhill; the idea that foreign aid should be done for the benefit of the recipient countries, because we are so…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						<p><em>Why, it's just NZ's Transparency Intl rating.</em></p><p>That's probably safe. Transparency International's rankings aren't based on any hard science, but rely on asking businessmen how corrupt they think a country is. It's almost axiomatic that the style of friends and favours corruption practiced in New Zealand isn't seen as such.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						The depressing thing is that this is basically the way McCully habitually treats positions of responsibility.
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						What's that falling out of the sky? Why, it's just NZ's Transparency Intl rating.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>the belief that a trickle down effect and rising inequality will lift all boats</q></p><p>That has been the core idoelogy of McCully and his fellow travellers for decades &ndash; and NZ's dramatic inequality is probably seen by them as a measure of success. All evidence challenging that belief will be…</p>
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				<title>George  Darroch</title>
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						Thanks Terence, disturbing. You're very right to emphasise that aid is not about what you have to give, it is about what is needed. The classic example is t-shirts being sent off, when there's sufficient clothing and all you're doing is putting out of business the local garment manufacture and…
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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