Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: Apathy is where the heart is https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Yamis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49952#post49952 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49952#post49952 Yeah, the ANZ CUP players would definately play some club games. At the moment they play close to all of them because the Cup doesn't start until after the club finals or thereabouts.

But their idea is that it will run alongside the Super 14 (which essentially runs all season…

]]> Thu, 08 May 2008 19:55:49 +1200 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49947#post49947 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49947#post49947 Kyle, I didn't say All Blacks should play club rugby but as someone who actually DOES watch club rugby from time to time I know that there are a lot of Super 14 players (or at least were) until recently pulling on the boots. And there have certainly been ANZ… ]]> Thu, 08 May 2008 19:15:42 +1200 Yamis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49942#post49942 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49942#post49942 Thu, 08 May 2008 17:50:59 +1200 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49917#post49917 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49917#post49917

no we're not, we are just not. You and Jock need to admitt it to yourselves then maybe the game in this country can move forward.

Well, actually not at present, I think we're #2 and South Africa are number 1? But over the 13 years since professionalism came in,…

]]> Thu, 08 May 2008 14:45:20 +1200 Benjamin Somerville https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49914#post49914 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49914#post49914 //and we're still the best rugby nation in the world.

no we're not, we are just not. You and Jock need to admitt it to yourselves then maybe the game in this country can move forward.

]]> Thu, 08 May 2008 14:29:01 +1200 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49569#post49569 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49569#post49569

Club football will be eroded further.

I'm starting to develop the belief that this isn't true. Or at least, not necessarily true. I think people should actually say "Club football will be changed forever".

If people want to watch club football, good on them. But they're not the top level,…

]]> Tue, 06 May 2008 22:00:47 +1200 Yamis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49556#post49556 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49556#post49556 Oh yeah, there's one downside though.

Club football will be eroded further.

They will not have their Super 14 players ever (although since expansion to 14 teams and an early start that doesn't occur now anyway, I was watching Nick Williams, Anthony Tuitavake and George Pisi playing for Massey seniors…

]]> Tue, 06 May 2008 18:16:18 +1200 Yamis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49554#post49554 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49554#post49554 Tue, 06 May 2008 18:07:00 +1200 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49308#post49308 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49308#post49308 Now we get 15 weeks of Super 14, 6 home tests and then about 12 weeks of ANZ Cup. So about the equavalent of 33 weeks of professional rugby on our shores. Throw in the Sevens weekend as well, and Pay TV showing Currie Cup, Heinekin Cup etc, and all… ]]> Mon, 05 May 2008 12:17:59 +1200 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49305#post49305 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49305#post49305 Paul: the TV timeouts are relatively new in American football. A couple of minutes to restart after each score; a timeout at 2 minutes before the end of each half and the division of the game into quarters (with a stoppage). All of these things help TV stations who want… ]]> Mon, 05 May 2008 12:13:35 +1200 LegBreak https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49261#post49261 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49261#post49261 Scaling up is one thing, to do it in such a regimented way gets me.

It's a bit Orwellian for my liking. Who are we at war against this month again?

]]> Sun, 04 May 2008 20:12:28 +1200 Hadyn Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49258#post49258 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49258#post49258 That's an interesting thought Legbreak.

I hadn't considered the ramifications of changing the team you support as I always saw it as "scaling up" (Club to Province to Region/Super 14 to Nation).

]]> Sun, 04 May 2008 17:52:40 +1200 Yamis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49212#post49212 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49212#post49212 I suppose that's the way to look at that example. Each fan is a fan of one team and they follow that team each week rather than the entire league.

In Scotland if you aren't a Rangers or Celtic fan you're just trying to come third all season. In the…

]]> Sat, 03 May 2008 13:18:41 +1200 LegBreak https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49210#post49210 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49210#post49210 HG,

One difference between soccerball and rugby now is that, although there are all these different cups, it is the same club sides that play in them. Here the only example of the same side playing in different competitions is the NPC and Ranfurly Shield.

So now, I'm expected to…

]]> Sat, 03 May 2008 12:01:21 +1200 Hadyn Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49209#post49209 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49209#post49209 Then we look at football (soccer).

The premier league, the champions league, the uefa cup, the scottish league, the bundesliga, the spanish league, the italian league, the european cup and probably a bunch I don't know about.

How does that work? Is it just the huge number of fans?

]]> Sat, 03 May 2008 11:34:59 +1200 Yamis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49206#post49206 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49206#post49206 Sat, 03 May 2008 11:14:37 +1200 Felix Marwick https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49204#post49204 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49204#post49204 "Familiarity breeds contempt"

That has something to do with why I'm not the rugby fan that I used to be. To put it simply there's simply far too much rugby about these days.

When the Super 12 first started I used to be a regular attendee at games and probably…

]]> Sat, 03 May 2008 10:55:24 +1200 Yamis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49198#post49198 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49198#post49198 Sat, 03 May 2008 01:25:13 +1200 Yamis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49197#post49197 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49197#post49197

It is clear now that critics Henry's resting policy for the downturn in S14 gates was plain wrong.

Not necessarily. At the time everybody was citing that as reasons for not going. There was plenty of anecdotal evidence of people showing up, saying "where's dan carter dear?" and then people…

]]> Sat, 03 May 2008 01:05:10 +1200 Neil Smart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49179#post49179 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49179#post49179 On Wednesday I was at St Pats Silverstream. I walked by a wall of pictures of young men proudly wearing their "stream regalia. I laughed with another older man. We agreed that this is what the game is about.

I hear Andy Haden and others referring to the game as…

]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 17:09:49 +1200 Belt https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49168#post49168 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49168#post49168

There have been quite a few opinion pieces recently about the decline in interest for rugby. I've even written some. But I'm not sure that the authors (including me) were quite right. From what I can tell rugby fans' attitudes are changing but their (our) enthusiasm is not dropping.

I…

]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 15:24:05 +1200 Richard Irvine https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49166#post49166 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49166#post49166 Shit. You get the idea:

http://sportreview.net.nz/2007/07/12/rugby-without-music-no-way-jose/

]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 15:19:12 +1200 Richard Irvine https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49165#post49165 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49165#post49165 Fri, 02 May 2008 15:18:40 +1200 LegBreak https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49161#post49161 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49161#post49161 Yup; the music gets me too, and I used to actually quite like Blur.

HG; this is an organisation that does not elect its CEO and gets an old family friend of the President to perform an Independent Review. And now you’re expecting a focus group?

Tew will go ice-skating…

]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 14:53:59 +1200 Hadyn Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49159#post49159 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49159#post49159 Isn't the music just The Exponents greatest hits? Although I'll admit never understanding why they play that terrible "Oh Ah, wanna be my girl" song.

They should play old school funk, that'd be awesome.

]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 14:41:28 +1200 Hadyn Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49157#post49157 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49157#post49157 @Legbreak: Dude I was was dead serious about focus groups. I think it's the best way to get feedback from the public. It's why movies have test audiences.

And sorry for bringing up the rugby again.

@Richard: I heard the other night (through Dropkick Megan) that as the NZRU is…

]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 14:38:04 +1200 Julian Melville https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49155#post49155 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49155#post49155 Fri, 02 May 2008 14:33:51 +1200 LegBreak https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49152#post49152 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49152#post49152 Night rugby is about the only thing you can blame on the Northern Hemisphere money situation though RI.

The rest is all self-inflicted.

]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 14:26:01 +1200 Richard Irvine https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49149#post49149 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49149#post49149 Afternoon games kick arse. I've never enjoyed rugby more than watching Waikato play in the NPC in the afternoons – NPC final 1992, taking the shield off Auckland in 93 after eight years... glorious. Night games were a novelty then, they way they should be now.

We really need to…

]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 14:08:49 +1200 LegBreak https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49145#post49145 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49145#post49145 wanting it to start when it rolls around. There’s a real arrogance about it too, meaning other sports (esp. cricket)… ]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 13:54:41 +1200 Dan Slevin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49139#post49139 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49139#post49139

I agree about afternoon games. It is really hard to take children – future fans – to matches that don't finish to close to 10pm. There should be a better mix.

One of the reasons why the Phoenix did so well early on – lots of Sunday afternoon games.

]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 13:21:52 +1200 JCDC https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49133#post49133 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49133#post49133 A rugby breather...please

I think the Super season starts too early anyway, it should have started a couple of weeks ago after cricket season had wound down. I guess this was compounded by the fact I was all rugby'd out after the World Cup. I can't watch rugby all year…

]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 13:00:05 +1200 Hadyn Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49127#post49127 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49127#post49127 The answer to the NZRU's popularity problems does lie with the fans. I've not heard of the NZRU doing anything like a focus group or a survey or anything.

Does anybody know of the NZRU doing any kind of market research that doesn't revolve around making more money but engaging…

]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 12:39:35 +1200 Hadyn Green https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49125#post49125 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49125#post49125 Fri, 02 May 2008 12:37:41 +1200 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49120#post49120 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49120#post49120 Fri, 02 May 2008 11:52:57 +1200 Don Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49118#post49118 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49118#post49118 It is clear now that critics Henry's resting policy for the downturn in S14 gates was plain wrong.

I agree about afternoon games. It is really hard to take children – future fans – to matches that don't finish to close to 10pm. There should be a better mix.

Then…

]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 11:47:32 +1200 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49114#post49114 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49114#post49114 Unhelpful as it is, I know why I've been apathetic about rugby, and why I've started caring again. (Disclaimer: Crusader's fan)

I can't care about rugby in February. The earlier the Super 14 season starts, the less I care. It's cricket season. I didn't start watching rugby until about the…

]]> Fri, 02 May 2008 10:59:36 +1200 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49113#post49113 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49113#post49113 Fri, 02 May 2008 10:58:17 +1200 Richard Irvine https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49106#post49106 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49106#post49106 Fri, 02 May 2008 10:10:47 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49105#post49105 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-apathy-is-where-the-heart-is/?p=49105#post49105 Discussion from blog post.

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