Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: An attempt at demystifying Sharia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381790#post381790 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381790#post381790 Religion offered a formalisation of codes of conduct

Yeah sure I dont think that is in any dispute, the problem is and always will be the basis for that bonding.
What if soneone doesn’t agree with what they are supposed to accept, without question, a received wisdom that is clearly…

]]> Mon, 01 Apr 2019 07:31:51 +1300 Neil https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381783#post381783 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381783#post381783 Religious bonding provided a community with an advantage over other non-religious communities.

Religion offered a formalisation of codes of conduct.

It’s in part hard-wired and in part absorbed.

]]> Sat, 30 Mar 2019 21:03:28 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381782#post381782 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381782#post381782 Sat, 30 Mar 2019 20:50:23 +1300 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381781#post381781 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381781#post381781 the right to be LGBTI+ ? I see this as a fundamental human right but I do not think this is consistent with most Sharia law.

It's not just Islamic extremists, Uganda has the death penalty because it's Christian. Note that most of the countries don't actually execute anyone, they "merely"…

]]> Sat, 30 Mar 2019 19:47:26 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381779#post381779 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381779#post381779 When it comes to Sharia law, what is the approach to fundamental human rights with which most Sharia law disagrees ?

Ignore it and carry on seems to be the way its done in Brunei. And that former champion of Human Rights the US govt isnt going to help either,…

]]> Sat, 30 Mar 2019 14:37:24 +1300 Mikaere Curtis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381767#post381767 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381767#post381767 I get it, there is no attempt to impose Sharia here (or anywhere in the West, for that matter).

But what is to come of those aspects of Sharia that we hold to be inconsistent with our values ?

Such as the right to be LGBTI+ ? I see this…

]]> Fri, 29 Mar 2019 22:31:13 +1300 John Farrell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381688#post381688 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381688#post381688 Tue, 26 Mar 2019 06:51:23 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381687#post381687 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381687#post381687 Mon, 25 Mar 2019 22:20:21 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381686#post381686 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381686#post381686 QI question “is the pope Catholic”, answer: he’s not, he’s the head of the Orthodox Church*

I prefer the crasser 'does a bear shit in the woods' and there's only two orthodoxies and for the life of me, I can never remember which is which. Must have been dozy daydreaming…

]]> Mon, 25 Mar 2019 22:08:51 +1300 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381685#post381685 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381685#post381685 Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:53:30 +1300 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381683#post381683 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381683#post381683 . It is certainly not a fully-fledged alternative legal framework seeking to supplant western constitutional law and legislative frameworks

Sorry to disagree but it absolutely is, there are countries that use it. Well, their local interpretation of it. It's also very clear that secular law is not permitted to contradict…

]]> Mon, 25 Mar 2019 19:59:41 +1300 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381680#post381680 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381680#post381680 Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:54:56 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381669#post381669 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381669#post381669 the farce that has become brexit.

indeed...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IL2XwSkFJQ

]]> Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:13:57 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381659#post381659 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381659#post381659 Hexit sounds a tad ominous

No I was thinking it will bear more resemblance to the farce that has become brexit. A comedy of errors for some intergalactic traveler to decipher, if such an entity did exist and could be bothered. It would inspire more a mirthless chuckle I imagine.

]]> Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:49:38 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381657#post381657 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381657#post381657 Sun, 24 Mar 2019 12:16:37 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381651#post381651 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381651#post381651 Castaneda and his Brujo were literally 'on the button' – in all senses...
...then there's those that swear by 'the way of the tosser' as expanded on in The Dice Man by Luke Rhinehart (George Cockcroft)
Just what is real?
:- )

]]> Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:44:22 +1300 Dennis Frank https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381650#post381650 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381650#post381650 Sapiens but I think his point about fictions seems valid. Strikes me as effective on the same basis as Don Juan's advocacy of the `controlled folly', which Castenada popularised long ago. I been using it on & off since 1970 and can testify that it enables us to… ]]> Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:29:56 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381649#post381649 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381649#post381649 A grand scale Human exit is more likely.
Hexit sounds a tad ominous ...
– who or what will find our 'Remains'?

]]> Sun, 24 Mar 2019 09:59:17 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381648#post381648 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381648#post381648 ‘fictions’

And that kind of the problem because they are easily disprovable, and in the case of our inherited religious beliefs, fanciful and open to weird and frightening interpretations, there will never be anyway of uniting them unless we abandon them.

But we, everyone, have got to do it in…

]]> Sun, 24 Mar 2019 09:51:30 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381639#post381639 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381639#post381639 We are rather good at fooling ourselves it would seem.
Writer Y.N. Harari also illustrates this in his earlier book.. Sapiens
He goes into the 'fictions' that we create and need to survive en masse
Well worth a read.

]]> Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:52:57 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381638#post381638 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381638#post381638 Just as god sitting, as he apparently does, up there above us looking down wouldnt be offendedExactly. My interpretation of Arafat's use of the story was: (i) women's hair is not intrinsically offensive (and the Prophet is explicit about that); therefore (ii) the law is instead about minimizing reactions of… ]]> Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:46:59 +1300 Dennis Frank https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381637#post381637 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381637#post381637 Primitive belief systems are indeed the problem. Israeli writer Y.N. Harari illustrates this in his 2018 book 21 Lessons for the 21st Century in discussing Judaism.

"Nowadays ultra-orthodox jews ban images of women from the public sphere. Billboards and advertising aimed at ultra-orthodox jews usually depict only men and boys…

]]> Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:03:27 +1300 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381633#post381633 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381633#post381633 the Prophet seeing a woman’s uncovered hair and clearly not being offended.
Just as god sitting, as he apparently does, up there above us looking down wouldnt be offended by the sight as he would by other not so attractive heads of hair or lack thereof.

to payday lenders advertising…

]]> Sat, 23 Mar 2019 08:02:40 +1300 Moz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381628#post381628 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381628#post381628 Thanks for that summary.

I've also spent a bit of time lately reminding people that the "women must cover their hair" is also from the Pentateuch and is widely practiced by Christians and Jews, albeit not as commonly by young ones. Some may remember such devout practitioners of the habit…

]]> Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:48:37 +1300 Dennis Frank https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381627#post381627 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381627#post381627 I do appreciate your attempt to present sharia in a positive light, Felix. Worth a try. The problem really is that it is likely to be seen as an artifact of tradition, rather than a code which can evolve to become a guide to good behaviour.

And, to the extent…

]]> Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:25:42 +1300 Dennis Frank https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381626#post381626 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381626#post381626 My take on your story of Arafat implying a tolerance of women not wearing headscarf: he was being coy, to avoid elimination by a fundamentalist zealot.

Does sharia have a rule that enforces the dress code on women? If so, why would we tolerate such discrimination on the basis of…

]]> Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:10:37 +1300 Raymond A Francis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381624#post381624 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381624#post381624 Interesting.
I have in the past seriously thought about investing money through Sharia banks as in theory the sharing of profits rather than charging interest especially in this time of low or even negative interest rates seems a much fairer system.

]]> Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:15:45 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381623#post381623 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-an-attempt-at-demystifying-sharia/?p=381623#post381623 Discussion from blog post.

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