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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						It can obviously happen, and it's intrinsic. It's also quite probably tiny and insignificant in the case we're talking about, and not particularly unfair. The whole idea is that the price itself reflects the inside information. Someone even acting on it at all has effectively made it almost public information.…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2015 00:13:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Kier: <q>Insider trading is the point of prediction markets of this kind in many ways </q></p><p>Ben: <q>The incredibly tiny scope, where attempts to do any such thing would be extremely obvious to whoever is watching, something that all the other traders are financially incentivized to do</q>.</p><p>Which is it: insider…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:33:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>As Graeme pointed out upthread, iPredict was <a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2008/0285/latest/whole.html?search=ts_act%40bill%40regulation%40deemedreg_iPredict+Limited_resel_25_a&amp;p=1#DLM1564601" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">licensed</a> as a "market for the trading of the futures contracts". If it hadn't, it would have been an illegal lottery.</p><p>The government agreed internationally and passed <a href="http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2009/0035/latest/DLM2140885.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">domestic legislation</a> to place requirements on financial institutions to do due diligence on their customers. There wasn't any…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 20:30:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q> it strikes me that the FMA wouldn’t have been as helpful to a random bunch of kids with a startup or an overseas betting operation like IG Index.</q></p><p>Maybe not beforehand, but after another one existed, they'd have less of a leg to stand on.</p><p><q> I’m actually surprised that the…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 19:39:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q>why an oil company employee betting on petrol price movements is doing anything unethical &ndash; except in terms of possibly misusing their employer’s confidential information </q></p><p>Misusing confidential information is one problem. Having a conflict of interest such that the employee can change a price to make money for themselves (as…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:46:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						It's Hooton's toy, not Farrar's.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:19:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						Insider trading is the  <em>point</em> of prediction markets of this kind in many ways &mdash; for instance, it's not entirely clear why an oil company employee betting on petrol price movements is doing anything unethical (except in terms of possibly misusing their employer's confidential information).
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 16:00:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>Well plugged in politically, anyway. I don't know if anyone else has ever tried something like this, but it strikes me that the FMA wouldn't have been as helpful to a random bunch of kids with a startup or an overseas betting operation like IG Index.</p><p>There are a whole…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 15:17:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rob S</title>
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						<p><q>iPredict is no more.</q></p><p>Didn't see that coming.  -sorry, I'll get me hat</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 14:22:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>There’s a reasonable argument for allowing small-stakes online gambling</q></p><p>Particularly when no small part of the purpose is for the information that it provides, because the bets aren't about which dice or card will come up, or which horse gets thrashed across the line first, but majorly important issues of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 13:28:00 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>What they were doing was running a small stakes online casino. Personally, I have no problem with that, but Parliament did some years ago, and they gave TAB and the National Lottery a monopoly of such things.</p><p>To get round this, they got the FMA to license them as a…</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 13:10:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alfie</title>
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						iPredict <a href="https://www.ipredict.co.nz/app.php?do=message" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">is no more.</a>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:37:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I'm not the world's biggest fan of David Farrar, but he doesn't deserve to have his business killed for basically nothing. Especially since it represents something rather unique.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:31:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I mean seriously "three traders hold portfolios on the website worth in excess of $10,000". Dear God, the world is coming to an end! The gigantic sum of $30,000 could maybe (but most probably not) be used to launder all the dirty drug money of one small time cannabis grower.…
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:29:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p><q> the North Sea with it’s unending gentle drizzle on shallow and sheltered coastal waters</q></p><p>I just saw this, and it reminded me of the time I was out there on a 50,000t ship in 80knot winds, with waves breaking on the bridge.</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:27:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						That is quite fucked up. If there was evidence that money had actually been laundered through it, that might make a bit more sense. But to shut down a one-of-a-kind service like that because of a vague risk of money laundering is just ridiculous.
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:24:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						So Bridges doesn't like Farrar and is taking his toy away?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:23:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						<p>So it seems that regardless of how hazy a crystal ball it was, it'll no longer be any kind of crystal ball at all:<br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/74438852/ipredict-to-close-after-govt-refuses-antimoney-laundering-law-exemption" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/74438852/ipredict-to-close-after-govt-refuses-antimoney-laundering-law-exemption</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:19:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>...pull up sleeves and offer to chip in...</q><br />We have the poster for this...<br /><strong>All hands on dike!</strong></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 06:48:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						We do have a climate change thread open, so I’ve moved <a href="http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/envirologue-the-least-we-can-do-new-zealands/?p=352370#post352370" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> my response</a> (a link to a current BBC Radio 4 series which has an episode on solutions to climate change) over there.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 06:30:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>embanking on the future...</strong><br /><q>...enough true kiwis left who would – knowing there might be a bit of heavy lifting involved – pull up sleeves and offer to chip in for future generations and the long term protection of our country...</q><br />We could think of it as our 'space' programme...…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 06:18:18 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p><q>Do you have any concept of how much building a sea wall around NZ would cost?</q></p><p>Yeah you’re quite right, I’m not qualified to provide the figure.</p><p>So just to be clear here; you are advocating Jan Wright’s opinion that we are out of engineering options, that the  engineering feats…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 03:49:33 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>tussock</title>
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						<p><q>An age old problem with tried and tested responses.</q></p><p>Do you have any concept of how much building a sea wall around NZ would cost? We don't live next to the North Sea with it's unending gentle drizzle on shallow and sheltered coastal waters, but the vast Pacific Ocean with…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2015 16:30:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						<p>Geoffrey Palmer has just published a learned plea for action on climate change in an article in the latest Policy Quarterly from Victoria University <a href="http://igps.victoria.ac.nz/publications/files/c81a9820055.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://igps.victoria.ac.nz/publications/files/c81a9820055.pdf</a></p><p>(And if you read further in the issue you can also find an article about special education by  Giovanni and me)</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2015 16:38:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p>The thing with climate change is that for a country the size of New Zealand, rising sea levels is not the most pressing of concerns, in that report Jan Wright says:</p><p><q>engineering options there may work a bit for a while but they’re not really a long or even a…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2015 11:47:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<q>I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some kind of major world recession before the next election. Probably not the collapse of capitalism, but enough for people to question some of their assumptions. It could be linked to the realisation that we all have to do something urgently and drastically…</q>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2015 13:36:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						By “others” you’re referring to my wife and in laws? No not permanently, I wouldn’t categorise it as outrage per se, but from time to time, when I consider the FTA and the subsequent knee jerk I do find myself mildly bemused, given that any ANZ property investment <em>portfolios</em> in…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:48:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						<p><q>But why would they?  Since Labour have now picked up that mantle...</q></p><p>God, are the permanently outraged on the behalf of others brigade ever going to stop banging that dubious drum?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:42:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>chris</title>
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						<p><q>ditches his tired and reflexive racism</q></p><p>But why would they?  Since Labour have now picked up <a href="http://campaign.labour.org.nz/foreign_buyers_ban_will_achieve_what_govt_failed_to" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">that mantle</a> in an attempt to corner that market, ANZ’s ideological centre has arguably been shunted further right &ndash; conservative Labour voters now face less of a philosophical hurdle if deciding to vote NZF.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:24:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Tom Semmens</title>
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						I guess it comes back to whether or not NZ First has a natural constituency that extends beyond the oily charm of Winston Peters working a rest home audience. One of the biggest problems with working out NZ First’s support is that of all NZ political parties it is the…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:39:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Hilary Stace</title>
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						I wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of major world recession before the next election. Probably not the collapse of capitalism, but enough for people to question some of their assumptions. It could be linked to the realisation that we all have to do something urgently and drastically…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:29:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Myles Thomas</title>
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						<p><q>My guess is that the “backing yourself or your friend or colleague” effect is swamped by genuine predictions from political junkies who are not personally involved in particular races</q></p><p>Not really. It's pretty easy to dominate an obscure stock for a week by sinking a few hundred dollars into it.…</p>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						That's nice that iPredict did better than polls in 2011. And what were all the margins it predicted, then and in the last election? What were the actual results in comparison? Not that a sample size of 2 seems overly meaningful (although I am absolutely not a statistician).
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				<title>Harry Musgrave</title>
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						<q> For comparison to the 58% implied chance of National winning the 2017 election, iPredict only has a 62% implied chance of the 2016 Presidential election going to a Democrat. That doesn’t mean either election will be a cliffhanger – it’s quite likely in both cases that the winner will be…</q>
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						<p>He could just get old and tired and bored, like what happens to a lot of people.</p><p><q>Many NZ First voters despise National, but they’re not too keen on Labour either.</q></p><p>I'm not so sure about the second part of that. I'd say they've got a much bigger Labour defector…</p>
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				<title>John McCormick</title>
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						<p>I guess it's a bit morbid to talk about death, but it's highly relevant to politics. Let's talk about ill health instead. If Winston were to become ill and have to step down as leader, it would have a major impact on the election. </p><p>In my view there isn't really…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>I’m finding it rather difficult reading all this speculation about when a particular named person might die. It feels wrong to me.</q></p><p>Yeah sorry.</p>
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				<title>Deborah</title>
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						I'm finding it rather difficult reading all this speculation about when a particular named person might die.  It feels wrong to me.
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						<p><q>Also, life expectancy is strongly correlated with wealth, and Winston isn’t poor.</q></p><p>Very true. However, he hasn't exactly lived a stress-free life and I'm gonna guess his doctor would like him to live a healthier lifestyle, giving up smoking, drinking only in moderation and eating better are usually recommended.</p><p>Of…</p>
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						<p><q>I seem to recall iPredict having unexplained money movements used to generate cheap publicity articles closer to elections. </q></p><p>I umm... lost money betting on myself on iPredict last year.  But I couldn't very well back the candidate from the other side.  I was just making sure that any newspaper snippets…</p>
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						I'm extrapolating from slightly out-of-date life tables (hence recalculation of 77->79 above); but presumably there was a more recent analysis after the 2013 census.
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						<p>Also, life expectancy is strongly correlated with wealth, and Winston isn't poor.</p><p>(I'd be interested so see there are any NZ stats on life expectancy crossed by wealth and ethnicity).</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Average life expectancy for Maori males who have reached 70 is 77.</q></p><p>I was wondering if that stat was somewhere and suspected that it would be higher than 73.</p><p>It is true that once you make it past 75 or so you do have a pretty good chance of making…</p>
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						<p>Average life expectancy for Maori males who have reached 70 is 79.<br />So he should have a few terms yet... though this is assuming WP's lifestyle is averagely healthy, which is debatable.</p><p>(For comparison: in 2002, life expectancy for Maori males was 69, but additional life expectancy for 65-yo Maori…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q> Completely agree that prediction markets are imperfect</q></p><p>But then again no prediction method of highly uncertain events is perfect. Even just within mainstream statistics there are a vast number of methods for making predictions, which can give very different results for identical data.</p><p>Prediction markets have the beauty that they…</p>
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						I'm sure iPredict would be happy to run a book on his date of death.
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>Kinda morbid I know but since we are playing with numbers ...</p><p>Winston Peters is 70. </p><p>Average life expectancy for Maori males is 73.</p><p>Does anyone believe NZFirst will exist after Peters?</p>
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				<title>Rob Salmond</title>
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						<p>@DPF: Completely agree that prediction markets are imperfect &ndash; I remember one saying ACT would get 4, when it actually got 1 very shortly thereafter. Butthey're not all bad &ndash; for election 2011 iPredict outperformed all the pollsters and pol of pollsters, including you and me both.</p><p>Glad we're agreed…</p>
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						<p>Rob you're putting hope in the fact that iPredict is forecasting National will get 42% in 2017,in two years time.</p><p>At 5pm the day before the 2014 election they were predicting National to get 44% (got 47%) and Labour/Greens/Mana to get 43%. </p><p>The 1% gap turned out to be a…</p>
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						<p><q>Would this extend to offering “futures contracts” on horse races, rugby games, or indeed IPL cricket matches?</q></p><p>They are specifically excluded from sports (all "entertainment" events, IIRC). E.g. they can't run stocks on Golden Globe winners.</p><p><q>..is the University essentially using its “standing” to gain a privileged exemption from gambling…</q></p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>And what are the chances you're going to credit the comic to xkcd?</q></p><p>That was the official hotlinking and embedding URL – didn't they use to come through with the credit shown? Anyway, I've added that.</p>
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						<p><q>My position remains that Labour should burn down Winston's fence</q></p><p>I think he's the strongest competitor for their voting pool. I don't know if that means they should fight him harder or sweet talk him, but I think they should face up to the fact that they appeal to people…</p>
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						<p>Yes, I know they have found a legal loophole (I dislike this term, but it does seem appropriate). Would this extend to offering "futures contracts" on horse races, rugby games, or indeed IPL cricket matches? </p><p>And could anyone set up a "futures market" on this basis (perhaps with "futures trading…</p>
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				<title>Thomas Lumley</title>
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						<p>@Rich:  The US equivalent <a href="http://tippie.uiowa.edu/iem/research/longrunaccuracy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">has been studied</a>: it works better than polls a long way out from the election. I don't know what's known about the smaller markets here.</p><p>There big issue is still the haziness of the crystal ball, even if we assume the markets are well calibrated. At…</p>
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				<title>Rob Salmond</title>
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						<p><q>Has anyone ever examined correlations between iPredict and future realities?</q></p><p>Actually, lots of people have studied connections between prediction markets and actual outcome, including the specific case of iPredict. The foundational reference is <em>The Wisdom of Crowds</em> (2004), and Justin Wolfers and Douglas Hubbard among others have done a lot…</p>
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						<p><q>Has anyone ever examined correlations between iPredict and future realities?</q></p><p>I seem to recall iPredict having unexplained money movements used to generate cheap publicity articles closer to elections. I think we are a little far out from the election for "proxy for cheap advertising".</p><p>I agree iPredict has been running…</p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>why does Vic Uni run an unlicensed bookmakers? </q></p><p>They don't.</p><p><a href="http://fma.govt.nz/compliance/exemptions/current-exemption-notices/securities-markets-act-exemptions/futures-contracts-ipredict-limited-3/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://fma.govt.nz/compliance/exemptions/current-exemption-notices/securities-markets-act-exemptions/futures-contracts-ipredict-limited-3/</a></p>
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						<p>Has anyone ever examined correlations between iPredict and future realities?</p><p>Apart from in circumstances where participants are able to steal their employers information and use it corruptly for gain, why should it be accurate? </p><p>And why does Vic Uni run an unlicensed bookmakers? Connections, I suppose.</p>
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						<p>My position remains that Labour should burn down Winston's fence.</p><p>Guessing what he'll do, trying to assign probabilities, maintain relations, and all that jazz is useless. I don't think even he knows what he will do until after the election. Until the election he will make that clear. This attracts…</p>
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						Calling Dr Thomas Lumley, Dr Thomas Lumley to shady statistics aisle.
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						And what are the chances you're going to credit the comic to <a href="https://xkcd.com/605/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">xkcd</a>?
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