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				<title>andrew llewellyn</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Rather mysteriously, the flag-waving English are clearly of the opinion that Jerusalem is a patriotic hymn</p></blockquote><p>I wondered about this when I was a kid attending Risca Town School in Wales in the early 60s &amp; had to sing it in assemblies.</p><p>Then I saw an episode of Till Death do…</p>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>You innocence sounds suitably convincing, K.J.  I shall call off my lawyers.</p><p>1. The gravatar is the wee thumbnail image above your name in the top left-hand corner of each comment 'box'.</p><p>2. You can assign a gravatar to your email address by going to:</p><p><a href="http://site.gravatar.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://site.gravatar.com</a></p><p>I assume the fact…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:28:54 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>K. J. Aldous</title>
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						<p>"How did you manage to get my gravatar attached to your comment?"</p><p>1. What is a gravatar?</p><p>2. How are they attached to comments?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:24:02 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>Full points to you, Emma!  It's from 'Pnin'.  And, yes, I totally agree &mdash; isn't Nabokov's prose just stunning.</p><p>The weird buzzing in the back of your brain is probably just extreme boredom...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:53:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<p>Ha, now I only feel like a partial idiot, that's Nabokov, though I can't remember which book. But my gods, that prose...</p><p>But while I appreciate the efforts of all my big strong sciency men, physics has always produced a weird buzzing in the back of my brain that stops…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:32:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>Thanks for the translation, Linger &mdash; close enough for government work!  Apologies if my explanation confused rather than enlightened.</p><p>And don't feel all arts major-ish, Emma.  Thermodynamics isn't difficult, I assure you.  It's just very, very confusing...</p><p>Mind you, I won't be providing an explanation of entropy on the radio…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:46:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						Actually, in Arcadia at one point the precocious Miss Thomasina Coverly at one point reads the original paper on the impossibility of building a perfect steam engine (probably mentioned above) and becomes quite distraught, because she realises what it's actually talking about is the heat death of the universe.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:26:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote>The electrolyser cannot be 100% efficient, so the energy recovered from the burning of its output will be less than the energy consumed to produce that output.</blockquote>The argument I've seen run is that the presence of the hydrogen somehow catalyses the burning of the fuel. Or something. Possibly makes it…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:18:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						Any more information coming on entropy? The devil might be in the details.
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:51:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>linger</title>
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						<p>Let's see if I can translate all (well, the most relevant bits) of that for arts majors, then.</p><p>Andrew's query</p><blockquote><p>Surely ... extraction of 100% of the *added* energy occurs when the temperature of the fluid is reduced back to the original ambient temperature?</p></blockquote><p>seems to indicate some confusion in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:54:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Emma Hart</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think I see where your confusion lies, Andrew...</p></blockquote><p>I have never felt so much like an arts major in my  <em>life</em>...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:42:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Don Christie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Why You Shouldn't Invest in Perpetual Motion Machines</p></blockquote><p>Oh look here, next thing you are going to tell us there is no such thing as "Dark Energy" &ndash; the latest and greatest thing in perpetual motion.</p><p>Is there nothing you Cantabs won't stoop to denying? What next, creationism?</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:41:53 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I need moveable diagrams on my TV and a cutesy cartoon character to explain it all.</p></blockquote><p>Well, it's not thermodynamics, but I thought this was a pretty good go at nuclear energy (episode 11?), it's split into two for YouTube (you can also <a href="http://www.open-video.org/details.php?videoid=3415" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">download the whole thing as an MPEG</a>…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:12:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think I see where your confusion lies, Andrew...</p></blockquote><p>I need moveable diagrams on my TV and a cutesy cartoon character to explain it all. If you could just whip that up please...</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:29:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andrew Hubbard</title>
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						<p>Superb, thank you Mr Haywood.</p><p>Though I might add you've finally laid to rest my youthful dreams of joining the ranks of engineers by inducing freak-out with a simple F.dx and the expression "mathematical proof".  I shall now stick to a strategy of intellectual laziness through entrepeneurship whilst enjoying the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:25:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p><strong>Andrew Hubbard</strong> wrote:</p><blockquote><p>Surely the working fluid contains a certain amount of [thermal] energy at ambient temperature. Energy is added as the temperature of the fluid is raised, but extraction of 100% of the *added* energy occurs when the temperature of the fluid is reduced back to the original ambient…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:55:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p><strong>K J Aldous</strong> wrote</p><blockquote><p>There is some debate about Blake's image of England's dark satanic mills. Some suggest it represented Blake's opinion of mechanical engineers, or the universities that housed them, or perhaps the churches where they, as hungry sheep, looked up and were not fed (Blake was a fan…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:57:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andrew Hubbard</title>
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						Oops, perhaps that should read 'latent' rather than 'potential' &ndash; my high school physics class was a long time ago..
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:55:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Andrew Hubbard</title>
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						<p>I'm missing something around this Carnot thing..</p><p>Surely the working fluid contains a certain amount of (potential) energy at ambient temperature.  Energy is added as the temperature of the fluid is raised, but extraction of 100% of the *added* energy occurs when the temperature of the fluid is reduced back…</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:48:24 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>K. J. Aldous</title>
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						<p>You need, of course, to be a little pizzicato to enjoy the last night. It is, after all, the British taking, well, the pizzi. </p><p>There is some debate about Blake's image of England's dark satanic mills. Some suggest it represented Blake's opinion of mechanical engineers, or the universities that housed…</p>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p><strong>Full Brownie points to Mr Jackson</strong>, who is clearly much cleverer than Ozzie Freedom at Water4Gas (or any of his customers).</p><p>And, of course, the First Law of Thermodynamics dictates that the burning of hydrogen <em>can't</em> produce more energy than was required to make the hydrogen from water in the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:28:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Brent Jackson</title>
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						The electrolyser cannot be 100% efficient, so the energy recovered from the burning of its output will be less than the energy consumed to produce that output.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:47:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>A Public Address Science reader (who wishes to remain anonymous) has asked my opinion on the technology shown here:</p><p><a href="http://easywatercar.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://easywatercar.com</a></p><p>I can honestly say that this website (by a company called Water4Gas) is among the biggest loads of mumbo-jumbo, pseudo-science, and unabashed bullshit that I have ever seen in my…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:48:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>David Haywood</title>
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						<p>Hi Roger,</p><p>Yep, there certainly is a Part 7.  Public Address Radio has been in re-play mode over the summer break (Dec-Jan), but will resume with new episodes at 5pm on Saturday, February 2nd, on Radio Live.</p><p>Part 7 will play then, with Parts 8-12 to follow...</p><p>Cheers,<br />David Haywood</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:05:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Roger</title>
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						Is there a part 7?
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				<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:59:58 +1300</pubDate>
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						<p>Discussion from blog post.</p>
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