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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						You do notice the Report link at the beginning of each post? Not that it's as satisfyingly witty..
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 21:19:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						@Kyle; oh, well. I do that all the time but stray readers of this thread must be rather confused. Enough to say that we trying to draw attention to a rather inappropriate posting!
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 20:38:58 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						Now Geoff and I look like we made silly random comments. Ah well.
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 20:19:16 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Bush lawyers caught flat footed...</strong></p><blockquote><p>Security required in aisle 3!!!</p></blockquote><p>it's always the pedoff aisle<br />where the peduncles lurk...</p><p>I fear Russell is sleeping in...<br />I think I'll head out to the garden<br />to lop some laterals and cut back<br />the creepers and stalkers...</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:40:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						Security required in aisle 3!!!
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 09:11:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						RB to reception? RB?
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				<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 08:59:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Simon Lyall</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I believe it's not illegal to gossip about the names behind suppression laws. It's publication that will have you pulled up beside whaleoil in court.</p></blockquote><p>The problem is that we are not just talking about the "Top 10 political blogs" (like this one) which have daily posts by political/media insiders…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:47:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Lyndon Hood</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Power seems like a man in a hurry. Never a good thing in a politician in my book.</p></blockquote><p>A good time to say I <a href="http://werewolf.co.nz/2010/08/from-the-hood-absolutist-simon-power-corrupts-absolutely/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">noted this previously</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:34:26 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>giovanni tiso</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Most blogger codes of ethics sound like they're written by people wanting to be journalists, and many of the more interesting and valuable blogs are good precisely because they go beyond journalism's ideas of how to do public knowledge.</p></blockquote><p>I'm getting painful flashbacks of those alternative blog awards earlier in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:14:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Quite so :)</p></blockquote><p>I guess the shorter version is this: I'll be damned before I swallow a lecture on journalistic standards from the author of 'Asian Angst' in a newspaper I wouldn't use as dunny wipe. (I have more respect for my arsehole than the <em>Herald on Scum-day</em> has for…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:52:23 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alastair Thompson</title>
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						<p>@Russell,</p><p>On Robyn &ndash; the interesting thing there is that it was her magazine &ndash; she founded it and left unwillingly. The PC's strength historically has been through the fact that the publishing barons have always taken it seriously. In turn the PC's deliberative functions have always been conducted in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:41:30 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The current laws seem to work pretty well.</p></blockquote><p>Idiot/Savant <a href="ttp://norightturn.blogspot.com/2010/10/against-regulating-blogosphere.html">agrees</a>.</p><blockquote><p>...the claim that we are not subject to any form of regulation is simply false. As a blogger, I'm subject to exactly the same laws as Power is in issuing his press releases. If I defame someone, I can be…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:35:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>P.S. So far as Mr Slater is concerned I am increasingly concerned that some elements within the "Mainstream Media", MSM or perhaps "Old School Media" would like to equate his activties with online media as a whole.</p></blockquote><p>It's worse than that, Alastair.  A tedious new way for columnists from Auckland…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:59:25 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The PM broke the name suppression law himself to find out the name of an accused performer and hasn't been prosecuted for it, maybe there is a Rotary clause?</p></blockquote><p>I believe it's not illegal to gossip about the names behind suppression laws. It's publication that will have you pulled up…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:58:12 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Just thinking</title>
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						<p>The current laws seem to work pretty well. <br />Some bugger crossed the line, and was prosecuted.<br />The PM broke the name suppression law himself to find out the name of an accused performer and hasn't been prosecuted for it, maybe there is a Rotary clause?</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:29:21 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Graeme ... Yes it is.</p></blockquote><p>Yes it is.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:19:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ewan Morris</title>
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						<p>Graeme:</p><blockquote><p>It's not listed in their process for complaining</p></blockquote><p>Yes it is:</p><blockquote><p>12.In those cases where the circumstances suggest that the complainant may have a legally actionable issue, the complainant will be required to provide a written undertaking that s/he will not take or continue proceedings against the publication or…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:14:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>ScottY</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I've been blogging for over 14 years and have never (knowingly) incurred the wrath of an MP.</p></blockquote><p>You can't be doing it right! :) </p><p>This review is pretty much standard stuff from Simon Power. He's reacting to a couple of cases &ndash; in this case probably the Slater case. </p><p>When…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:10:15 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Perhaps more significantly the upside of consenting to Press Council jurisdiction is that the complainant agrees at the outset not to pursue any other remedies.</p></blockquote><p>I thought they got rid of that. Particularly after the <a href="http://www.presscouncil.org.nz/articles/press_council_review.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">2007 review by Ian Barker and Lew Evans</a> noted:</p><blockquote><p>The Press Council often requires complainants…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:39:03 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Bernard Hickey</title>
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						<p>Alastair/Russell</p><p>What are the risks of blogs/sites like ours joining the Press Council?<br />Is it simply to avoid the sourges of the BCA and/or the devil we don't known in any new Internet regulator?</p><p>Do we risk allowing the mainstream media to reverse-engineer standards/activities online?</p><p>Do we risk being dependent…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:12:35 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote>P.P.S. The Press Council is not a limp rag. I expect it is the reason that North & South lost its editor recently &ndash; though I am willing to stand corrected. The timing of the departure was most certainly immediately following one of their most damning indictments. So far as most…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:02:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alastair Thompson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Perhaps more important are the right of an accredited reporter to be present in court during a criminal trial even when the public is excluded, and rights relating to the protection of sources in the Evidence Act.</p></blockquote><p>For clarity the definition of an "accredited" reporter is basically anyone that the…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:59:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Donald Matheson</title>
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						I don't think the model of journalism is a good one for regulating blogging (or discussion fora or social networking sites or Twitter posts from cellphones or whatever). Most blogger codes of ethics sound like they're written by people wanting to be journalists, and many of the more interesting and…
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:53:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Maybe we should come up with a list of sites he should be reading for him. Obviously The Wellingtonista and Hubris are good starting points...</p></blockquote><p>Only if you want him to ban drinking next</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:51:17 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Alastair Thompson</title>
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						<p>Hi,</p><p>A further piece of information which may or may not be relevant relating to the Press Council in particular &ndash; and internet standards.</p><p>Some months ago Scoop applied to join  the Media Freedom Committee &ndash; i.e. we wrote to them and asked if we could join. We did so…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:43:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joanna</title>
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						<blockquote><p>This all suggests that Simon Power needs to expand the range of blogs in his feed reader.</p></blockquote><p>Maybe we should come up with a list of sites he should be reading for him. Obviously The Wellingtonista and Hubris are good starting points...</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:28:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Robyn Gallagher</title>
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						<p>I have a theory that because politicians and people who work in politics tend to be massive political nerds, they tend to only read political blogs and therefore have the idea that most blogs are political.</p><p>While it could be argued that politics informs every aspect of our lives, that…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:25:20 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I have never heard a convincing rationale for this inconsistency.</p></blockquote><p>The standard one is that one uses the public airwaves &ndash; a limited resource &ndash; and the other does not. Historically, there's only been space for a limited number of broadcasters, who get to use frequencies that mean that no-one…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:13:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Geoff Lealand</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Let's start with the Press Council. The Press Council is not a statutory body.</p></blockquote><p>Quite so.  The Press Council is a limp rag.  I registered a formal complaint with them earlier this year about a series of paid-for 'advertisements' by an ACT loon in a local free weekly, which were…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:06:40 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>IIRC, the Law Commission has pondered that one in the past too.</p></blockquote><p>Yep. The new Evidence Act, including the protection for journalists' sources, followed on from an extensive Law Commission report.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Loving this concise solution from Andrew Geddis in the Dimpost <a href="http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2010/10/15/im-not-worried/#comment-31999" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">comments</a>:</p><blockquote><p>Wouldn’t it just be easier to pass a law banning Cameron Slater?</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:48:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Perhaps more important are the right of an accredited reporter to be present in court during a criminal trial even when the public is excluded, and rights relating to the protection of sources in the Evidence Act.</p></blockquote><p>Thanks, Graeme. IIRC, the Law Commission has pondered that one in the past…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:45:56 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						If I was a blogger, I don't think I'd want to sign up for any rules that said I had to be balanced and fair.
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						I assume one of the central scenarios that will need to be addressed by this review is: what happens when a newspaper publisher decides to abandon hardcopy entirely and only publish online?  Are there any legal implications there for who a "journalist" is?  And is there value in creating a…
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Nope. The proper news media enjoy no special rights in either case there.</p></blockquote><p>Some provisions of the Defamation Act only apply to newspapers and/or news media (although they're not terribly important ones).</p><p>Copyright Act too (some of the limited Fair Dealing provisions, for example).</p><p>Perhaps more important are the right…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>A central question. I thought copyright and defamation were affected at least.</p></blockquote><p>Nope. The proper news media enjoy no special rights in either case there.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What statutory rights do "real" news media enjoy alongside their responsibilities?</p></blockquote><p>A central question. I thought copyright and defamation were affected at least.</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						If Minister Power gets it wrong, this will probably turn into Trevor Rogers 2.0.
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:31:22 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Thomas Beagle</title>
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						<p>Good summary of some of the problems.</p><p>One of the things that disturbs me most about the announced review, was that there was no mention of freedom of expression and freedom of the press. They could have at least done a hand-wave about "balancing off freedom and responsibility" but couldn't…</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:27:43 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Me first.</p><p>You know, it's very hard to consider yesterday's comments from the minister and not conclude that <em>he doesn't know what he's talking about</em>.</p><p>The review, he says:</p><blockquote><p>… will focus on whether either of the two existing industry watchdogs – the Broadcasting Standards Authority and the Press Council…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						Justice Minister Simon Power has <a href="http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1010/S00239/law-commission-to-review-gaps-around-new-media.htm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">asked the Law Commission to review the regulation of internet content</a>. But does he even know what he's talking about?
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				<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:10:02 +1300</pubDate>
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