Public Address | Cafe | Random Play: The Key’s under the Matt https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Sam F https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84455#post84455 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84455#post84455

Don't know about you, but I've been hearing "aspirational" and "politics" squishing up together for a long time.

No, it probably is my limited memories of politics showing through. Red face on this end :/

]]> Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:25:35 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84454#post84454 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84454#post84454

I don't quite follow. Unless you mean phrases from Shakespeare's works that have become stock phrases over the centuries. Am I missing something?

Don't know about you, but I've been hearing "aspirational" and "politics" squishing up together for a long time.

]]> Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:13:30 +1300 Sam F https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84430#post84430 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84430#post84430 Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:52:43 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84429#post84429 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84429#post84429 Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:51:32 +1300 Sam F https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84428#post84428 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84428#post84428 Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:50:42 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84425#post84425 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84425#post84425

The authorship of the editorial is almost beside the point. Surely they can't have serendipitously chanced upon exactly the same words?

Sam F.: You might be surprise to find out how much you 'plagiarise' a certain William Shakespeare.

]]> Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:45:27 +1300 Sam F https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84420#post84420 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84420#post84420

It was chocker with twaddle like "The politics of envy have been replaced by the politics of aspiration".

This caught my eye too – although in itself needn't necessarily refer to the new government (it could simply be referring to a growing culture of enterprise over many years), [[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10537211&pnum=0|it's lifted directly…

]]> Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:38:56 +1300 Grant McDougall https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84392#post84392 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84392#post84392 Listener ? She notes that the current US ambassador, a Bush appointee, has resigned and is heading back to the US. Therefore, from her point of view, ex-Labour Party president Mike Williams should resign from the various boards… ]]> Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:43:30 +1300 Simon Grigg https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84061#post84061 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84061#post84061

According to Wikipedia, the RAF only trains pilots on the Hawk (the equivalent of a Macchi) if they are going on to fly fast jets (Tornado/Eurofighter/Harrier). Multi-engine pilots train on King Airs, just as in the RNZAF.

The Hawk is an advanced jet trainer whereas the Mb339 is more of…

]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:38:15 +1300 Simon Grigg https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84056#post84056 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=84056#post84056 Maybe relevant – there were big newspaper headlines down here in the Manawatu, just before election day, that Key had said the airforce base in Auckland would be kept on, as would its personnel of course. Simon Power, local mp, wouldn't comment – people down here have been expecting an… ]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:29:08 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83992#post83992 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83992#post83992 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:11:07 +1300 Paul Williams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83958#post83958 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83958#post83958

It only really covered the combat wing if you read through it. The Mb339 was never considered as a keep option apart from a reference in option 3, which was never costed.

Thanks Simon, I'd only ever focused on the combat wing stuff, for overtly partisan reasons I might add,…

]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:01:54 +1300 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83951#post83951 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83951#post83951

It only really covered the combat wing if you read through it. The Mb339 was never considered as a keep option apart from a reference in option 3, which was never costed.

The The Defence Industry Committee of New Zealand has done further work on all aspects of the NZ…

]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:27:16 +1300 Kerry Weston https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83883#post83883 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83883#post83883 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:42:14 +1300 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83878#post83878 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83878#post83878 "I guess the question NZ defence policy is whether the purpose of the NZDF is to intervene when needed if bad stuff happens around here, or to have enough pointy stuff to look good with the Aussies/Yanks/Brits."

"Not sure what that has to do with the jet trainers."

The whinge/justification…

]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:57:43 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83877#post83877 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83877#post83877

It's a simple mistake anyone could make, really:
I/S, Birmingham's a big hole.

True. Though once you've clapped eyes on those kilometres of dreary macrocarpa windbreaks you'll never confuse Burnham with any variety of Birmingham. And, pickiness aside, I am glad that I/S is a pacifist. As the Australian poet…

]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:42:15 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83876#post83876 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83876#post83876 And talking about pissy columns, how about this morning's effort from John Armstrong?

It's 4.39pm and John Key is nine minutes late for his second most important Monday engagement – the Prime Minister's weekly press conference which follows the day's Cabinet meeting.

As far as the 30 or so Press…

]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:33:47 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83875#post83875 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83875#post83875

small holes in the middle of nowhere (Waiouru, Linton, Birmingham)

It's a simple mistake anyone could make, really:
I/S, Birmingham's a big hole.

]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:29:36 +1300 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83873#post83873 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83873#post83873

Waiouru, Linton, Birmingham . . .

Waiouru, Linton, Birmingham – Alabama? Why shoot, those gosh-darn rednecks. Put 'em all in the army.

Burnham. Glad you're a pacifist, Mr. Savant. If you were in the military you'd likely be scouting the Sahara for enemy penguins.

]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:17:46 +1300 Idiot Savant https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83871#post83871 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83871#post83871

The purpose of the armed forces is to protect the sovereignty of New Zealand.

Actually, the purpose of the NZ armed forces is to take all the psychos who want to play soldiers and dump them in a small holes in the middle of nowhere (Waiouru, Linton, Birmingham). Looking for…

]]> Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:58:00 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83868#post83868 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83868#post83868

Therefore the persistence of blogs such as the Standard might prove valuable.

Ian: I've long advocated that the prayer opening sittings of the House be replaced with daily readings of the Tale of The Little Shepherd Boy Who Cried Wolf. More than a few bloggers — on all sides of…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:22:28 +1300 Simon Grigg https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83866#post83866 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83866#post83866

I don't disagree that the armed forces have played a huge role in vocational training. But to try and formalise that role, to try and detract from their primarily MILITARY function in any formal way would be an absolute disaster for combat efficiency.

I don't think I mentioned that. I'm…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:25:08 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83865#post83865 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83865#post83865 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:48:25 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83864#post83864 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83864#post83864 I don't disagree that the armed forces have played a huge role in vocational training. But to try and formalise that role, to try and detract from their primarily MILITARY function in any formal way would be an absolute disaster for combat efficiency.

I still can't see exactly WHAT "glaring…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:47:25 +1300 Paul Robeson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83862#post83862 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83862#post83862 errr...cheers Sacha. It was in response to myself ranting about too much sport then posting a sports vid, which got embedded in Graeme's otherwise mostly sports neutral column.

It's a great game from the 'Nix, but hardly some of the genius things, like the Harry Enfield number that popped up…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:45:22 +1300 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83861#post83861 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83861#post83861 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:38:18 +1300 Paul Robeson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83860#post83860 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83860#post83860 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:31:32 +1300 Simon Grigg https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83858#post83858 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83858#post83858 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:21:30 +1300 Simon Grigg https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83856#post83856 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83856#post83856

The idea of the military is to be even the least a uniformed polytechnic for vocational training is plain dumb, and very deleterious to morale. This function can performed far more cost effectively by existing tertiary institutions.

effectively wiping out a huge part of the role the military has fulfilled…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:20:16 +1300 Paul Robeson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83855#post83855 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83855#post83855 oh and while I'm creating mischief...DPF did note on his website how damn awesome the Wellington Phoenix played on Friday, please check it out and tell me if Dan Carter or Luke McCallister (both handy ball players) could top that bit of skill from Smeltz.

I did suggest that the…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:14:40 +1300 Paul Robeson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83854#post83854 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83854#post83854 Hi Graeme,

sorry I am going to be the bear headed one here. It's not just you buddy.

What happened to public address?

I am a great fan of your writing, and I purchased your book of postcards. However, of late it has been lots of plugs for elsewhere, and…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:44:24 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83853#post83853 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83853#post83853 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:43:06 +1300 Simon Grigg https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83851#post83851 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83851#post83851

Why on earth do we need another white paper on jets? Quigley's is less than a decade old and seemed to pretty comprehensively resolve the matter.

It only really covered the combat wing if you read through it. The Mb339 was never considered as a keep option apart from a…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:19:37 +1300 Paul Williams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83848#post83848 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83848#post83848

Of course, all Mr Mapp said was: a defence white paper due to be completed next year would "provide a process to consider whether it is desirable to retain some level of jet training capability"

Why on earth do we need another white paper on jets? [[http://www.defence.govt.nz/reports-publications/air-combat/contents.html|Quigley's is less than…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:01:00 +1300 Simon Grigg https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83845#post83845 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83845#post83845

Provided said situation was no more than 900km from an airbase. And we knew exactly where it was and didn't need to search around. The P3 Orion may be old and unglam, but it can fly a long way and stay in the sky for a long time.

And there…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:41:51 +1300 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83841#post83841 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83841#post83841 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:32:52 +1300 DexterX https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83839#post83839 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83839#post83839 The Blame game

Some people take responsibility and blame themselves; most people blame their parents. Blaming the government is a clear indication the therapy is working.

Who then do the government blame? Hmm.

The previous government of course.

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:23:00 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83837#post83837 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83837#post83837

no aircraft, apart from lumbering old commercial 757s that we can quickly send to an offshore situation

Provided said situation was no more than 900km from an airbase. And we knew exactly where it was and didn't need to search around. The P3 Orion may be old and unglam, but…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:08:09 +1300 Ian MacKay https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83828#post83828 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83828#post83828 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:40:06 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83825#post83825 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83825#post83825

(come one, a "provide a process to consider whether it is desirable" is about as weak as the English language provides for)

Well, Gareth, pulling policy out of your arse (and making massive spending commitments while you're at it) is very "strong"; it's also about as stupid as you can…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:29:33 +1300 Simon Grigg https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83819#post83819 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83819#post83819

If we are to assume the history of weapons in the electronic age is really the history of the rise of the robot weapon, then manned jet aircraft have a future that doesn't extend beyond the next 30-50 years anyway.

The English Electric (later BAC) Lightning of the 50s was…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:19:30 +1300 Angus Robertson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83818#post83818 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83818#post83818

Delaying the ETS, while other countries move ahead and are already taking countermeasures against recalcitrant nations that deny global warming. Like taxing air fares.

Good on the Brits for appliying a "carbon tax" to international air travel. We should do the same.

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:17:34 +1300 Simon Grigg https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83817#post83817 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83817#post83817 Since there is no remotely realistic threat to our home islands either, the A-4 attack jets we had had no conceivable combat application. They consumed a disproportionate chuck of the operational budget in fuel, parts and wages to keep flying. The cost of buying fast jets that were sufficiently modern… ]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:17:04 +1300 Sam F https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83816#post83816 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83816#post83816 low centre of gravity, and without two big holes in the side to lose boats and sailors out of? ]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:15:25 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83814#post83814 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83814#post83814 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:14:56 +1300 Gareth Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83813#post83813 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83813#post83813 Of course, all Mr Mapp said was: a defence white paper due to be completed next year would "provide a process to consider whether it is desirable to retain some level of jet training capability"

And the NZPA somehow turned that into a THE JETS MIGHT COME BACK story. Which,…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:13:54 +1300 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83812#post83812 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83812#post83812

Since there is no remotely realistic threat to our home islands either, the A-4 attack jets we had had no conceivable combat application.

Also, anyone better armed than Qantas would knock them out of the sky no problem.

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:13:22 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83809#post83809 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83809#post83809 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:07:38 +1300 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83808#post83808 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83808#post83808 could be used for! ]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:05:01 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83807#post83807 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83807#post83807 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:00:57 +1300 Sam F https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83802#post83802 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83802#post83802

That is the end of the matter.

I pretty much agree with your post, but this sentence somehow makes me feel chastened by proxy. Wrap those toys up in plastic and put them away! I want to see that runway clean for a change! And don't give me that face...

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:49:25 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83795#post83795 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83795#post83795 "...I do think it's unfortunate that NZDF lost it's fast jet training ability, a skill which has some application beyond combat..."

The role of the New Zealand Air Force is to defend New Zealand, not act as a very expensive taxpayer funded training institution for international air lines. The A-4's…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:39:22 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83792#post83792 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83792#post83792 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:19:56 +1300 Simon Grigg https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83791#post83791 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83791#post83791

Looking at giving the Air Force back their jet fighters as a future christmas present. Jet fighters that arer obsolete and have no armament, at that.

Whilst I don't agree (or totally disagree to be honest) with this decision, they ain't jet fighters by any stretch, they're trainers. NZ hasn't…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:18:50 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83790#post83790 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83790#post83790 Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:17:31 +1300 Leopold https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83786#post83786 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83786#post83786 I do hope not. That would mean that "many people" are bigoted, ignorant morons with speech impediments. Not that there's anything wrong with having speech issues or mental disability

Probably not – People like venting – but not carrying it any further – and – like blog commentators, a majority…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:06:05 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83785#post83785 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83785#post83785 If you want actual bad shit that National is doing:

– Bringing in legislation under urgency and without consultation to try and jail people on suspicion.

– Delaying the ETS, while other countries move ahead and are already taking countermeasures against recalcitrant nations that deny global warming. Like taxing air…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:04:50 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83783#post83783 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83783#post83783

talkback radio which, whether we bloggers like it or nor, is still a good way to get the pulse of what many people are saying and thinking

I do hope not. That would mean that "many people" are bigoted, ignorant morons with speech impediments. __Not that there's anything wrong with…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:56:41 +1300 Tom Semmens https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83782#post83782 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83782#post83782 Curiously on topic, I just have share this piece of gold –

Anne Coulter has had her jaw wired shut...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2008/11/oh-dear-page-si.html

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:33:23 +1300 stephen walker https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83781#post83781 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83781#post83781 I spent five minutes reading the McCarten piece.
Pretty much a waste of time.
He seems deluded about the amount of substantial (as opposed to superficial) difference Obama will make, especially considering what a big-business driven, military-industrial complex bolstering, anti-Palestinian, Serbia-bombing, Russian oligarch-installing regime Clinton's was for eight years. And…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:31:52 +1300 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83779#post83779 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83779#post83779 Also, Graham's post reminds me of another great word for 2008. From over the ditch:

"Sorry".

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:12:54 +1300 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83778#post83778 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83778#post83778 Things may not have changed yet.

But here's Jeanette on how they're about to.

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2008/11/30/nz-red-faced-over-climate-change/

And for those who suspect bloggers are immune to talkback bullshit, check out the trolls the Greens have to endure.

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:50 +1300 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83776#post83776 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83776#post83776 They need to chill out: I expect there will be things to get decently outraged before too long.

There always is. :) And what exactly was Key supposed to usefully add to comment around events in Mumbai – apart from "buggery shit"? As far as I'm aware, MFAT and the…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:02:21 +1300 Raymond A Francis https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83773#post83773 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83773#post83773 "Well, nothing much has really changed, has it."

And that of course is why we really have the so called "honeymoon "

Either nothing much happens or so much happens that the media spend all their time saying "geez look at all this change"

Sorry folks, but that how we…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:49:46 +1300 Helen Searancke https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83771#post83771 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83771#post83771 As my seven year old daughter commented yesterday:

Hermione: "So is John Key the Prime Minister now?"

[She quite liked Helen Clark, but as she was the only PM she's ever known and mum and dad did too, that's not a surprise.]

Me: "Yes."

Hermione: "Well, nothing much has really…

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:39:29 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83769#post83769 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83769#post83769 Yeah, that McCarten column was curiously pissy, wasn't it?

The guys at The Standard are a similar mode — feigning outrage over Key's supposed transgressions and blunders. They need to chill out: I expect there will be things to get decently outraged before too long.

]]> Mon, 01 Dec 2008 13:27:03 +1300 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83768#post83768 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-the-keys-under-the-matt/?p=83768#post83768 Discussion from blog post.

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