http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hIkXK6rxt4c

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/jan/13/phil-collins-non-ironic-revival

A French friend recently introduced me to Noir Desir, which you probably heard of long ago. I think its good, made better by…

train thousands of kids and ship them halfway across the world

Well, that would be another Costello song...

So that is my rule no texting at the movies. Or masturbation for that matter

No texting during masturbation?.... damn!

We just had a series of performances, resulting from creative workshopping – 90 minutes or so – and…

I can think of lots of legitimate reasons to text at odd times such as during a concert.

Yeah I am not so sure. I think it goes to the new phenomenom that I have noted that has crept in with all this new fangled, high falutin' stuff – cell…

All circumstance under which, I'd respectfully suggest, the world will not end if you take a moment to remove yourself from the social occasion and receive/make/respond to your call in seclusion.

The question is then, which is ruder--to disturb others by leaving or to distress them by texting in their…

]]> Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:49:41 +1300 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-fltfoxz-gr8-c-u-2moro/?p=88387#post88387 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-fltfoxz-gr8-c-u-2moro/?p=88387#post88387 My original comment about conscription was more related to it being one of the reasons there is less opposition to the Iraq war today than it being a particular reason for specific demonstrations in the U.S.

Even in New Zealand there was a kind of draft. In 1969 I was…

]]> Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:50:35 +1300 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-fltfoxz-gr8-c-u-2moro/?p=88385#post88385 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-fltfoxz-gr8-c-u-2moro/?p=88385#post88385 Yeas, but there is little doubt that the level confrontation across the USA (and Australia) was dramatically heightened by the thought that either your or your brother or boyfriend might shortly be forced into uniform and shipped across the Pacific for a year or two into harms way and do…

talking at gigs is just wrong!

Proper Rock and Roll is loud enough that anything quiter than gunfire cannot be heard above the music.

True the last 5 or so years have seen a decline in Neils output, although a lot of Rusties (Neil list fans) would say otherwise, but to say that he's floundered since Zuma is to dismiss some pretty good albums.

Trust me Tony, I know that it's likely just me,…

Kent State wasn't about conscription, it was a protest in reaction to the USA's invasion of Cambodia.

Yeas, but there is little doubt that the level confrontation across the USA (and Australia) was dramatically heightened by the thought that either your or your brother or boyfriend might shortly be forced…

I had to pull the car over the rain was so heavy, I couldn't see 10 metres on front of me

Less exotic perhaps than Kim Deal's hometown, but I had that experience once driving south into Taihape. Minus the thunder and lightning but still damn scary with huge trucks…

Probably because there is no conscription today?

Kent State wasn't about conscription, it was a protest in reaction to the USA's invasion of Cambodia.

It's more or less a three hour drive, and not a particularly exciting one, although the fact that we were well behind schedule, towing a U-Haul…

I do think think he's floundered ever since but, hey, you can't be essential forever and I really like his contrary-ism.,

True the last 5 or so years have seen a decline in Neils output, although a lot of Rusties (Neil list fans) would say otherwise, but to say that…

The Creation Museum would make a great double bill with The Holy Land Experience in Florida (daily reenactments of the Passion of the Christ!).

OMG. Just saw it in Religulous (friends from America style). The guy who plays Jesus in the Passion re-enactments gives a better account of of himself…

the Creation Museum

Of the many themed road trips I have a hankering to do, 'Crazy Roadside Attractions of the USA' is totally one of them. The Creation Museum would make a great double bill with The Holy Land Experience in Florida (daily reenactments of the Passion of the Christ!).…

Uhhh...I'm in Indonesia...sorry.

That's why I thought you might not need yours! Request was in jest, really, but thanks for responding.

Speaking of freebies, you can't hook me up with a ticket, I suppose? ;)
3410 is broke!

Uhhh...I'm in Indonesia...sorry. They, the freebies that is, are notoriously hard to get hold of these days, with even the founding father of the BDO in NZ having problems I believe (which is…

Personally, I think Live Rust is incredible, though older listeners probably consider it too late-period.

I just hated the whole Johnny Rotten angle but remember loving the movie at the time. I might not have bought it but I scored a freebie of the album from WEA and still own…

I've not bought anything since Zuma

I do know what you mean.
There's a great boot called Chrome Dreams (Rust Edition) doing the rounds, which wraps up the end of that era. Personally, I think Live Rust is incredible, though older listeners probably consider it too late-period. (You still can't…

I vaguely recall that Nash's stocks were high because he left the Hollies on a point of principle on them daring to cover Dylan?

The Hollies Sing Dylan (or, more correctly, his rejection of such) might've give Nash a leg-up into Laurel Canyon but his work before that was nothing…

Despite the fury over the Iraq war it didn't seem to inspire anything with the power or popular currency of Ohio, or for that matter Shipbuilding.

Probably because there is no conscription today?

Wooden Ships

It was always attributed to Kantner on the JA recording, and I think they had a bit of legal to and froing before it was universally co-credited.

CSN were most definitely of their time at Woodstock (as were a few others..Hendrix & Santana's Michael Shrieve driven performance being the…

Ohio [the song]

As far as I remember, that single hit the streets one week after the Kent State shootings, and the anger just jumps off the record. One of the best political statements in R'n'R. YouTube WARNING: video contains disturbing images.

Wooden Ships

True, great song, and the CSN versions are great too (It kicked off the Woodtock movie to great effect.) Can't remember the Volunteers version too well. Interestingly, it seems Paul Kantner (of J.A.) has, in recent years, gained writing credit for this song, along with Crosby and Stills.…

Hard as it is to imagine now, CSN & CSNY were very popular, and their '71 live record seems to indicate that they were adored, by many.

No only adored but absolutely massive. I'm old enough to remember as an young adolescent that Deja Vu was probably the defining record of…

And I also missed the PS. Would…

PS. Five or so hours after I made this post I have checked back on the discussion thread. While I am bemused at the tangents and disappointed by the profanity and seemingly personal…

I think it was the weather

I did wonder..

However, the Ohio Theater really is something else.

'fer sure. I recall see a silent movie there (Lon Chaney in "Laugh, Clown, Laugh), with full Wurlitzer. How did you get from Pittsburgh to Columbus, Jake? Did you go by the r'n'r Hall of Fame in Cleveland (I have a liking…

I always wondered how the generally inoffensive Nash could stand to hang out with Crosby and Stills without Young there. They're both so very... douchey.

The money, I guess. I've been trawling the CSNY catalogue a bit recently (in order to round up some of the CSNY-only Neil songs -…

Gotcha, Russell. Apology extended.

No worries. I think it was the weather.

However, the Ohio Theater really is something else.

OMGsquee, etc. And their other theatres aren't too shabby either! Does this mean I have to go to Columbus OH now?

I always thought the best part about CSN&Y was Neil Young after he left them.

Good point. I always wondered how the…

Simon: The thing…

I love old theatres

ahhh, we have something else in common. Well, just about. I like old train stations, although not trains, and to be honest I'd not go out of my way to see one, but chance encounters are good.

When a few of us (Blake come in) drove…

in a beautiful 1920s theatre that would put the Civic to shame

Oh. No. You. Didn't.

I love old theatres so much that I'll travel out of my way to see them. I even did a walking tour of Radio City Music Hall (I had my photo taken with a…

At one point, they lit up a joint

As a non hooch smoker (and one who starts thinking that everyone, my wife included, is a police person if I do) I hate this more than most, and far more than an innocuous txt. The smell makes me gag and, well.....don't.…

I make a point of giving as good as I get, Craig – that is, yes, a cultural trait.

Except in this case, your retaliation was pre-emptive.

There was no reason for you to call Craig "an insufferable bore" when he had simply expressed an opinion on the question posed…

Maybe I neglected to read the disclaimer on sign-up that said you must post regularly to maintain the respect of the faceless and unnecessarily aggressive.

Sorry, I must have expressed myself badly. I wasn't being sarcastic, it's a lovely article you posted and perfectly apposite to the discussion (the self-publishing…

Now that you mention it, yes – and you're doing splendidly on the not writing or writing seldom thing.

Maybe I neglected to read the disclaimer on sign-up that said you must post regularly to maintain the respect of the faceless and unnecessarily aggressive.

I enjoyed the Fleet Foxes show…

Wait, it's just occurred to me: are you telling me that you're chickening out of the Sarah Palin bet?

No — but as a rule I don't impose myself on people who find my company uncongenial. Or have I missed some cross-cultural nuance where "pompous bore" is an Italian term…

This Atlantic article written by Polly Frost appears relevant.

Fantastic. And I love the fact that you signed up to a blog commenters' community in order to share it with us!

If you glance over at my info, you'll notice that I signed up two years ago (before you).

Finally after some internal debate and angsting I stood up and announced to the rest of the occupants of the theatre that the guy next to me "was masturbating.

10 points!

On Graham's original question, I dunno about texting, but I once realised that I should have phoned a girlfriend…

Could be any number of things. She could be texting the babysitter to say they're going to be later than they thought. She could be texting someone who's…

Fantastic. And I love the fact that you signed up to a blog commenters' community in order to share it with us!

And the least you could do is visit James' MySpace to say thank you.

This Atlantic article written by Polly Frost appears relevant.

Fantastic. And I love the fact that you signed up to a blog commenters' community in order to share it with us!

You see a name, roll your eyes, cease to read.

I thought it a bit strange that nobody would remark on that particularly gratuitous use of the "c" word, but then of course neither did I. Maybe summer is the season for shrugging and moving on.

Thus are places judged...also people, by such other important matters as their language. Crudities cease…

A few years ago, David Gray played in Wellington, but t was $90+, which my wife and I thought it was far too expensive, and my parents and brother were visiting that weekend because it was Easter, so we decided not to go.

Anyway, it turns out that…

And in the unlikely event we're ever sitting across a table from each other

Wait, it's just occurred to me: are you telling me that you're chickening out of the Sarah Palin bet?

. I do not think people should be called rude cunts under any circumstances. Personal abuse, apart from anything else, usually indicates that one's case is not strong.

To be fair, I don't think Craig was actually calling Giovanni a "rude cunt", but people who revolve around their phones in…

I've texted at gigs and I'm not ashamed.

Same, although I am beginning to be.

I haven't done it often, but it has usually been to tell someone what they are missing. As in "you couldn't get here, but you would be loving it if you were."

I am with John V. I, too, have no idea about the whys and wherefores of texting at a concert – but it seems kinda unnecessary to me. But each to his own.

I won't put up with it at the movies though, no way,…

I do not think people should be called rude cunts under any circumstances. Personal abuse, apart from anything else, usually indicates that one's case is not strong.

And/or indicates that it's a post from Craig Ranapia, who has a... unique sense of etiquette. (Said with tongue firmly in cheek, Craig)

And, no, I don't go to gigs to listen to music. Never have. To do that you need to sit in a very precisely defined room surrounded by speakers and listen to a studio…

If it's a personal text, it's going to be more like "[band] is going off. You should have come!" to a friend who's missed out. Otherwise I'll do some twitters as a sort of document of the experience.

For example, at the…

Old style: crowd forms one mass, one roar, one jump, the sound of two hands clapping.

Modern style: fans hold mobile in one hand, look around,…

Or I might forget I'm not in the living room, get me kit off and start twirling around in my undies.

GIF! GIF!

A lot of the live music I've seen in the past few years hasn't been at "gigs" per se, but people playing in cafes or small bars where the patrons are expectedto talk through the music.

...

And to those who object to people talking or ordering drinks at the…

As for Tom's general point – in Wellington at least the problem is one of venues

That's true. Some acts such as Fly My Pretties play in places like BATS theatre, but those are usually one-offs.

A lot of the live music I've seen in the past few years hasn't…

But texting at a concert – where everyone's dancing and focused on the bright stage anyway – I've got…

Although I have a certain sympathy for Tom's 'op shop pod people' thing, too. The twee are so earnest. Is there no happy medium?A little bit of bopping, generally rapt attention, occasional 'yay!' or between-song chat to your friends? It's what I aim for.

Danielle, you are me and I…

Or, wait, the evil mastermind does the torturing.

Not the way I write James Bond.

wait, the evil mastermind does the torturing

It might still count if he dances wearing undies, a la Craig. :)

If it's the sort of concert where the audience…

Heh. Writing that makes me think of this

Well, yes. I acknowledge that. I'm generally a gig curmudgeon

In the next piece of James Bond fanfiction I write, the evil mastermind is going to be called Gig Curmudgeon.

Is it transfixed attention or nothing for you people?

Actually, yes. I'm picking the txt-addict pulls up at the vinegar stroke to txt someone and let them know they're coming.

If they're not that into the gig, they shouldn't go. Otherwise people that actually, you know, like music, miss out.

Seriously, the woman texted three times at a concert. She could have had all sorts of reasons. She could have found it boring, or wanted to share with a loved…

Was this woman sitting across the table from Graham at this concert? Did she get on stage and start texting in plain view of the crowd? No? Then what's the problem?

Ever been at a show or a movie in a full house where the person sitting next to you…

And in the unlikely event we're ever sitting across a table from each other, I'll leave my gadgets at home and pay you the respect of my undivided attention.

Was this woman sitting across the table from Graham at this concert? Did she get on stage and start texting in…

Peggy Noonan is an insufferable bore, and so are you. Are we bothered, offended even, by people textingnow?

Giovanni: You know what I find insufferably boring? Rude cunts who drift through the world in their little ego-bubbles and think they're the center of the universe. Going to the movies or…

This sounds like a weird and inappropriate show to be doing that at, but I don't think it's always bad. At the Big Day Out I think it's perfectly acceptable. Everybody gotta find their peeps.

It is a funny sight, though, watching…

I’m curious.

And I'm pissed off. Hey, if you don't have any respect for others in the audience how about the people on stage who you've paid (and paid through the nose, more often than not) to see?

I think Wall Street Journal coulmnist Peggy Noonan put it [[http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110010385|better than…

Interestingly, I think it's 'accepted' to twitter at a concert, but I can't imagine sending tweets which watching a movie (unless it was atrociously…