Public Address | Cafe | Random Play: Alt.Nation: Ask not for whom the fat lady sings . . . https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Deborah https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=26038#post26038 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=26038#post26038 Despite what I have been saying over the way, or perhaps because of it, I snickered all the way through this piece.

And at your headline, Jeremy Andrew. Guess I'm still a 4th former at heart.

]]> Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:20:33 +1200 Michael Fitzgerald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=26037#post26037 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=26037#post26037 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:44:10 +1200 Jackie Clark https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=26036#post26036 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=26036#post26036 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:29:18 +1200 Rebecca Williams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=26029#post26029 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=26029#post26029 joanna – i think you might be right there. robyn IS a much nicer person than you.

it was clear to me that it was a satirical piece – i just didn't really think the (ignored) social sub-text was very funny.

]]> Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:37:29 +1200 Graham Reid https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25935#post25935 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25935#post25935 Chockasundy you are pretty much right.

Generally, I'd say the average Aussie is readier to have a laugh, come up with a quick quip and not worry too much about inane niceties. (Example: we witnessed a police officer admonishing a jay walker in Sydney. She asked him "Are you going…

]]> Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:55:07 +1200 Joanna https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25924#post25924 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25924#post25924

Each to their own

I really liked Freddy got fingered. Is that okay?

]]> Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:24:35 +1200 Emma Hart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25923#post25923 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25923#post25923

It was raining and I thought the harder it rains the wetter they’ll get.

Now, that's funny. As long as you consider it to be an intellectual breakthrough on Downer's part. "Hey! You know what I just realised?"...

]]> Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:18:56 +1200 Tom S https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25917#post25917 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25917#post25917 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:01:49 +1200 Jeremy Andrew https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25889#post25889 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25889#post25889 hell yeah, Black Books, Father Ted, IT Crowd, Green Wing (BTW can anyone tell me where I can find Green Wing on DVD?).
Kath & Keeem is OK, but it doesn't have a disheveled Irishman in it.


Sense of humor test. If you can read the headline on this article without…

]]> Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:38:33 +1200 kmont https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25886#post25886 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25886#post25886 Meh.

I like my humor Black Books style.
Each to their own.

]]> Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:04:56 +1200 Chockasunday https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25881#post25881 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25881#post25881 Sure, Aussies are hilarious. You probably haven't spent much time there.
They have all those crazy metaphors like 'drier than a dead dingo's donger'. People on the street are much readier to have a laugh than here in NZ.

Their movies and TV shows are funnier than ours.
I don't…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 20:30:23 +1200 kmont https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25880#post25880 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25880#post25880 eh?

Aussies funny??????

But on a happy joy joy note, I like posting here.

I like it when people wade in delicately, I like it when people are pugnacious. It really is all good when it feels like a conversation. Favourite phrase of the week;

"screeching to the converted"

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:42:16 +1200 Chockasunday https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25879#post25879 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25879#post25879

am i totally missing the joke / point?

If you have to ask why it's funny, then you are missing the point.
Humour never works after it's been explained.
And if you analyze it, that's going to kill all the fun.

Make the joke, offend people (optional), audience laughs.
Simple…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:31:46 +1200 Deborah https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25878#post25878 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25878#post25878 Oh, read the whole post, I/O. The very next thing I said was, 'But I take your point."

And I really do take your point. It seems so sad to comfort yourself with the thought that the johns are up-market types, as if that might make the whole job okay.…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:19:50 +1200 InternationalObserver https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25877#post25877 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25877#post25877 but then again ...

"it might be raining non-stop here at The Island Paradise Resort now, but bit you shoulda been here last week. It was so hot and sunny we just laid the prawns out on the plate and they cooked themselves ..."

So maybe the Judges, Bankers, and…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:07:28 +1200 InternationalObserver https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25876#post25876 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25876#post25876 Ouch – patronisingYour judgement (of me) is wrong. I don't think its patronising to suggest they were wrong in saying they were working in an upmarket brothel servicing Judges, Bankers, and Sports Icons when I could see (they'd invited me in!) they worked in a seedy massage parlour with clients… ]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:00:58 +1200 Deborah https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25875#post25875 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25875#post25875

Whilst I could see the reality of their lifestyle/workplace and they obviously couldn't;

Ouch – patronising

all they wanted at the time was not to be judged and for me to accept the fantasy of their statements.

but I take your point.

One now works in the corporate mainstream, one…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:38:29 +1200 InternationalObserver https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25873#post25873 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25873#post25873 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:00:23 +1200 InternationalObserver https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25872#post25872 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25872#post25872 I lost all taste for the enterprise when I recognised one of the strippers as a girl as an old schoolmate who had already been vilified as the school bike. She didn't look very happy.Me too, kinda (but about 10-15 years ago). I happened across 3 old school friends (from… ]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:58:04 +1200 kmont https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25871#post25871 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25871#post25871 Michael, I totally take your point. I happen to agree with what you are saying, just adding my two cents worth.

Stephen thank you saying what I wanted to say, I wrote that in a rush on my way out without previewing (oh the horror).

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:38:52 +1200 Stephen Judd https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25869#post25869 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25869#post25869 Keeping quiet at my desk.

OK. So Rudd gets a bob each way – he's a red-blooded male who goes to strip clubs, but it's ok if you don't approve, because it's only when he's pissed. (He gets pissed too, like a manly Australian man should!)

Also, the phenomenon of…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:30:26 +1200 Michael Fitzgerald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25868#post25868 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25868#post25868 Kowhai
I was trying to allude to the fact that as 'good' as it gets the sex industry (XX/XY XY/XX XY/XY etc) gets it's always bad.

Stephen Judd where are you?

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:16:42 +1200 kmont https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25867#post25867 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25867#post25867 I am not going to recount here the occasions, cultural or otherwise, that I have seen people take their clothes off for other people. There have actually been a few, one involved a pregnant woman, a lot of paint and a bucket of water......but I digress.
However, I would not…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:01:47 +1200 andrew llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25864#post25864 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25864#post25864 I went to Route 66 in Christchurch once. The friend that took me there didn't tell me what the place was all about & it was an hour or so before the "dance competition" began.

http://sunnyo.blogspot.com/2005/02/gather-round-we-have-stories-to-tell.html

And yes, it was surprisingly unsleazy & very, very entertaining. I don't think I named Network…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:31:02 +1200 andrew llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25862#post25862 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25862#post25862

I once had the 'privilege' of being one of the only males present at a sold out performance of Manpower at the Powerstation.

You're a stripper? Cool.

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:27:28 +1200 Michael Fitzgerald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25860#post25860 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25860#post25860 Route 66 an old strip club in CHCH used to have a g string show with guys and girls.
It worked well as heaps of chicks went there, heaps punters dancing together (clothed mostly), and the blokes in g-strings gave the guys a chance to get to the bar.
Then…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:13:06 +1200 InternationalObserver https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25858#post25858 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25858#post25858 okay, kidding aside ...

I will acknowledge that there can be a 'seedier' element (ie very sad males, who let the gender down) present at female strip shows; whereas women (watching male strippers) are more about having fun and a laugh.

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:03:23 +1200 kmont https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25857#post25857 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25857#post25857 I once saw a male belly dancer who was pretty much a male stripper.
My thoughts were, leave it to the women buddy.

Ahem......leaving to do some work now.

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:50:16 +1200 Jeremy Andrew https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25856#post25856 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25856#post25856 It is indeed ogling, but that verb has since been supplanted by the more popular term 'googling'.
Hence "Googling oiled up, overtanned beefcakes" would be a more up-to-date phrasing.

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:47:11 +1200 Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25855#post25855 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25855#post25855

I once had the 'privilege' of being one of the only males present at a sold out performance of Manpower at the Powerstation.

Male strippers are... weird.

I saw a production of Ladies Night and was horrified to be picked by the actor/stripper and made to go for a ride…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:45:05 +1200 kmont https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25853#post25853 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25853#post25853 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:40:38 +1200 kmont https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25852#post25852 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25852#post25852 International Observer

I don't know that women ogled oiled up, overtaned beefcakes really is a celebration of womens sexuality. It certainy is not a celebration of mine. But it is hardly the final word on why women might feel objectified in society.
Having said that, the sooner this sideshow gets…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:38:35 +1200 InternationalObserver https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25849#post25849 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25849#post25849 are we comparing watching women strip / dance about with no clothes on for the sexual gratification of men, to listening to opera? is paying to watch women as objects participating in the arts / culture?I once had the 'privilege' of being one of the only males present at a… ]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:30:21 +1200 Joanna https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25846#post25846 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25846#post25846 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:14:36 +1200 Jeremy Andrew https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25844#post25844 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25844#post25844 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:12:52 +1200 kmont https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25843#post25843 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25843#post25843 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:12:36 +1200 Robyn Gallagher https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25841#post25841 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25841#post25841

am i totally missing the joke / point?

I got this from it – strip clubs and opera both have a stigma attached to them and are both poorly attended by average New Zealanders (though both enjoy regular attendance from a niche audience).

But while strip clubs have a low-brow…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:07:16 +1200 Andrew Paul Wood https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25840#post25840 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25840#post25840 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:01:17 +1200 Rebecca Williams https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25838#post25838 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25838#post25838 i don't get this. are we comparing watching women strip / dance about with no clothes on for the sexual gratification of men, to listening to opera? is paying to watch women as objects participating in the arts / culture?

am i totally missing the joke / point? honestly, i'm…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:35:33 +1200 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25829#post25829 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25829#post25829 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Das_Rheingold
The plot is interesting, very interesting. The Grateful Dead were HUGE fans of The Ring Cycle.

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:58:42 +1200 Idiot Savant https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25827#post25827 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25827#post25827 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:56:07 +1200 merc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25826#post25826 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25826#post25826 Das Rheingold (The Ring Cycle)was compulsory viewing (listening) for SS officers. Hitler may well have known the irony, because in Twilight Of The Gods, everything gets burned down (like Berlin).
This is also why Wagner is considered suspect by some.

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:55:07 +1200 Michael Fitzgerald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25824#post25824 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25824#post25824 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:49:24 +1200 uroskin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25821#post25821 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25821#post25821 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:35:45 +1200 Kyle Matthews https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25820#post25820 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25820#post25820

Storm in a teacup, Howard is misunderstood – he said he watched Oprah once.

On that basis Rudd is also in the clear.

It wasn't stripping in New York City, it was trippin' in New... oh, nevermind.

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 12:34:27 +1200 Michael Fitzgerald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25812#post25812 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25812#post25812 Opera is not really my thing, ballet is great, but I'm sure we could get the whole of parliment out for some modern dance.
It's got the best of them all (no-one really understands it but)it's a way for the cultured to glare at bare breasts in pleasant company (& no…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:51:47 +1200 Idiot Savant https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25811#post25811 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25811#post25811 And the worst bit? He stayed sober for the entire performance.

Definitely unAustralian.

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:51:14 +1200 InternationalObserver https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25807#post25807 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25807#post25807 heh heh heh

but I have to say it was my wife's idea we go — and I didn't actually enjoy it

Yes, it's always the wives that insist we should inject some 'culture' into our married lives. How else do you explain those stupid 'Ballroom Dancing' lessons they sign us…

]]> Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:43:32 +1200 Bob Munro https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25803#post25803 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25803#post25803 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:22:27 +1200 andrew llewellyn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25802#post25802 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25802#post25802 Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:10:54 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25801#post25801 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/random-play-altnation-ask-not-for-whom-the/?p=25801#post25801 Discussion from blog post.

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