Public Address | Cafe | Polity: Too much to swallow on the TPP https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355577#post355577 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355577#post355577 Look at him up there, clearly representing New Zealand. (2:29 onwards)

https://youtu.be/0ZUhPiO1PFI?t=2m29s

]]> Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:44:27 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355570#post355570 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355570#post355570 We will, or should have, incorporated on our flag, the words...
"New Zealand inc. a member if the TPP group
part of the USA global group"

]]> Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:10:16 +1300 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355559#post355559 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355559#post355559 Body in the Herald. ]]> Fri, 05 Feb 2016 08:18:42 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355513#post355513 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355513#post355513 We are told, repeatedly, that the provisions for ISDS are rarely used so it is not worth thinking about...
Well, not according to this, from the
Investment Arbitration Reporter
A list as long as your arm, as it were, of disputes ongoing...
And this from the Economist
[[http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21623756-governments-are-souring-treaties-protect-foreign-investors-arbitration…

]]> Thu, 04 Feb 2016 17:49:38 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355504#post355504 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355504#post355504 From... Sccop
“The Government will be running nation-wide roadshows for the public and business, to ensure New Zealand is ready to take advantage of new opportunities from the first day TPP enters into force”, Mr McClay says.
Can't wait, roadshow... wow. Opportunialityisms and avantagisability from day one.

]]> Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:49:04 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355502#post355502 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355502#post355502 Just in from NZ Transport Agency.,..
NZ Transport Agency spokeswoman Sarah Azam said road closures around Sky City, where the TPP was signed this morning, had been removed.

“Everything is back to normal,” she said. “In terms of the motorways, everything is open and flowing as you would normally expect…

]]> Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:38:35 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355469#post355469 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355469#post355469 Prime Minister John Key says the organisation at Te Tii Marae is “Mickey Mouse” and he wont go there tomorrow
Does he realise that “Mickey Mouse” is still under copyright?

]]> Thu, 04 Feb 2016 13:59:46 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355468#post355468 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355468#post355468 This man looks as if he got away with something……..
Or is he impersonating Micky Mouse...

]]> Thu, 04 Feb 2016 13:55:25 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355454#post355454 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355454#post355454 Swallowing the TPPA – Live!
Now
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/76517301/TPPA-signing-Live-coverage-from-Auckland-as-trade-deal-signed

]]> Thu, 04 Feb 2016 12:23:07 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355319#post355319 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355319#post355319 Here is some good analyses of the TPPA, Expert Papers
The series of expert peer-reviewed papers is supported by a grant from the Law Foundation. Previous papers have examined the Implications for Regulatory Sovereignty (Jane Kelsey) and Investment (Amokura Kawharu), te Tiriti (Carwyn Jones et al), and Environment…

]]> Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:47:12 +1300 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355121#post355121 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=355121#post355121 Today's
Tremain

]]> Mon, 01 Feb 2016 11:25:20 +1300 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=348202#post348202 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=348202#post348202 I’m also impressed with the stand ( or sitting as the case may be) this Doctor has expressed in Wanganui

Likewise the doctor who spoke with some vehemence at the TPPA Rally in Kaitaia back in August. He is an American...and can see the TPPA giving big business the power…

]]> Thu, 17 Sept 2015 13:49:44 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=348179#post348179 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=348179#post348179 Well done people!

I'm also impressed with the stand ( or sitting as the case may be) this Doctor has expressed in Wanganui

]]> Thu, 17 Sept 2015 11:58:32 +1200 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=348061#post348061 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=348061#post348061 it’s done. I’m incredibly impressed by this, it’s a tiny group yet the methods, the very specific location, the clarity in the way the message is expressed and the restraint by all concerned affords it equal MSM visibility compared with any of the large scale Saturday… ]]> Tue, 15 Sept 2015 15:42:58 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=346016#post346016 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=346016#post346016 here :) ]]> Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:42:41 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345999#post345999 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345999#post345999 anyone who attended the weekend’s protests might have observations to share.

We joined the action in the winterless North. Kaitaia had intermittent rain, which (sorry for the cliche) failed to dampen spirits. Hugely diverse assemblage. I was singularly impressed by the Young People...very politically aware, with one young lady declaring…

]]> Sun, 16 Aug 2015 21:14:06 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345998#post345998 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345998#post345998 Slightly more charitably:

When everyone well 99.9%) is now dependent on money and that is being gobbled up by a few and people starve. And no thought is given to how everyone is supposed to live now and into the future and survive Im not feeling too charitable. That can…

]]> Sun, 16 Aug 2015 20:02:14 +1200 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345996#post345996 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345996#post345996 Sun, 16 Aug 2015 19:43:30 +1200 John Farrell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345995#post345995 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345995#post345995 Sun, 16 Aug 2015 19:01:11 +1200 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345994#post345994 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345994#post345994 To be fair, when you've got more people turning up to march against the TPPA than the 'Leader of the Hoposition' has twitter followers it makes total sense that he'd just knuckle down and watch the sports.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/searchresults?cof=FORID%3A9&cx=006730714154542492986%3Aoh6vl0ybuqy&ie=UTF-8&q=andrew+little+beer&Search+Site=&siteurl=www.stuff.co.nz%2F&ref=&ss=2472j453796j18

]]> Sun, 16 Aug 2015 18:52:02 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345993#post345993 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345993#post345993 started these negotiations, with other nations that are still involved (before everything got subverted by American corporations), might explain why they're reluctant to turn entirely against it just yet. ]]> Sun, 16 Aug 2015 17:46:05 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345991#post345991 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345991#post345991 Does Little know something we all don’t? Being sat on by the US? Or do they genuinely support the neoliberal corporatist agenda,

I guess remembering not to kick down was something they found difficult enough. Learning not to kiss up... well... is harder than forelock tugging.

]]> Sun, 16 Aug 2015 15:44:46 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345990#post345990 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345990#post345990 Good turnout for the march in Chch yesterday (I'd pick closer to 2000 than the reported 1000). I feel as if the battle for public opinion is close to won. Polls indicate the TPPA gets an overwhelmingly negative response.
What's puzzling me is Labour. Opposing this seems a no-brainer. Yet…

]]> Sun, 16 Aug 2015 15:35:36 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345952#post345952 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345952#post345952 Dumb US overreaction of the week.

The US is warning its citizens to stay away from the anti-TTPA march being held in Auckland tomorrow.
In an email, the US Consulate General in Auckland urged any US citizens to avoid the march as "even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn…

]]> Fri, 14 Aug 2015 15:03:44 +1200 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345915#post345915 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345915#post345915 I found this comment below the story dispiriting:

stanley 12 Aug

RNZ – if taking more photos could you try to include the multitude of nondescript men taking photographs of all the protesters? This is with digital SLRs as well as Go-Pros. They’re not part of the protest and are…

]]> Thu, 13 Aug 2015 16:51:22 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345903#post345903 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345903#post345903 It took many years for NZ to remove patents on s/w and I see that has been mentioned earlier.

latest: Institute of IT Professionals joins NZ Open Source Society in questioning TPP deal on software patents.

]]> Thu, 13 Aug 2015 12:45:43 +1200 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345899#post345899 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345899#post345899 Tremain cartoon ]]> Thu, 13 Aug 2015 12:39:22 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345870#post345870 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345870#post345870 I have never understood why the various agreements are secret. It is good that progress was delayed but this is too important to leave to a few secret handshakes.
And, if I understand it correctly, no one can really know what's going on for 5 years after it is signed…

]]> Wed, 12 Aug 2015 16:31:44 +1200 Jason Kemp https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345867#post345867 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345867#post345867 Another Australian analysis that I found helpful – linked below. Ironically although the article focuses on the Australian scenarios it includes clips of NZ politicians.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement: What’s in it for Australia?

Philip Morris is already trying to sue Australia over its cigarette packaging rules but its action…

]]> Wed, 12 Aug 2015 15:09:34 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345790#post345790 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345790#post345790 http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/281065/show-us-ya-text,-say-tpp-protesters

Clever Young People protest the TPPA...at MFaT!

Yes!

]]> Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:29:17 +1200 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345619#post345619 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345619#post345619 Tremain in the ODT ]]> Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:46:41 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345554#post345554 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345554#post345554 Dr Mapp is a smart man

If he's so smart, how come he let the hapless Don Brash make him wear a clown suit?

]]> Fri, 07 Aug 2015 20:57:00 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345553#post345553 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345553#post345553 Fri, 07 Aug 2015 20:48:43 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345539#post345539 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345539#post345539 http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2015/08/03/table-talk-5-tppa-or-not-tppa/

With Mapp saying

Of course there are the usual opponents; those activists, actors, academics, and writers who seem instinctively opposed to all free trade deals, as yet another element of the neo-liberal paradigm. They are the New Zealand’s equivalents of the Syriza Party of Greece. Voters only turn to…

]]> Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:43:25 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345373#post345373 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345373#post345373 This column by the economics editor of the Melbourne Age is very, very good.

But even considering the idea makes plain how debauched the whole concept of trade agreements has become. In the past trade agreements were unambiguously good for the citizens of the nations involved. They cut prices. This…

]]> Tue, 04 Aug 2015 08:40:07 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345372#post345372 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345372#post345372 Tue, 04 Aug 2015 05:46:11 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345359#post345359 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345359#post345359 Step Right Up! Step Right Up!
Everyone's a winner!
Bargains Galore...*

aaah the Midway the smell of popcorn, milkshak-ups and hot dogs,
with its freakshows, diversions and games of chance,
the old carneys, hucksters touting a better future...

*apologies to Tom Waits

]]> Mon, 03 Aug 2015 17:17:25 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345310#post345310 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345310#post345310 Tim Groser's office in New Lynn has been modified.
Photo – NZ Herald

]]> Mon, 03 Aug 2015 10:55:34 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345282#post345282 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345282#post345282 Fighting talk from Tim….http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11490776…

Comical Ali insists that Allied tanks aren't rolling into Baghdad, and Karl Donitz insists that Allied tanks aren't rolling into Berlin.

]]> Sun, 02 Aug 2015 15:39:37 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345277#post345277 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345277#post345277 Fighting talk from Tim....http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11490776...

Mr Groser admitted opponents of the deal were probably winning the political battle at the moment, but said they would not win the war.

"Once I've got a deal to recommend to the Cabinet, and for the Cabinet to then recommend to the New Zealand people…

]]> Sun, 02 Aug 2015 12:29:47 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345264#post345264 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345264#post345264 Asked whether New Zealand had ever considered abandoning the TPP talks because of the difficulty of getting a reasonable deal on dairy products, Groser said he was "not emotionally in the space of wanting to leave the party", given that New Zealand had initiated the TPP in the first place.… ]]> Sat, 01 Aug 2015 22:17:54 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345261#post345261 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345261#post345261 Sat, 01 Aug 2015 18:11:46 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345260#post345260 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345260#post345260 "The sad thing is, 98 per cent is concluded," he said.

This is a side to this which keeps me concerned. As long as it's apparently only Dairy and Pharmaceuticals which remain, it sounds as if we've already committed to signing away whatever sovereignty and rights we're not allowed to…

]]> Sat, 01 Aug 2015 18:04:57 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345258#post345258 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345258#post345258 The secrecy to me suggests nothing in this Pact benefits NZ so it must be crap. Therefore I disapprove. Our democracy is yet again under attack.

Yep.

A slight, very temporary reprieve. We must keep up the conversation, and keep asking..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NXnxTNIWkc

]]> Sat, 01 Aug 2015 17:53:56 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345256#post345256 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345256#post345256 until November...

This sums up my disapproval of the TPPA. Prof. Kelsey has been following it for some time
The secrecy is undemocratic and that which seems to have been leaked about it, then the suggestions drip fed to media from National, all suggest there is nothing of value to…

]]> Sat, 01 Aug 2015 17:37:29 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345254#post345254 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345254#post345254 ...great for most New Zealanders.
until November...

]]> Sat, 01 Aug 2015 16:36:47 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345253#post345253 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345253#post345253 Excellent news!!!
The current round of TPPA talks have failed — that's great for most New Zealanders.

]]> Sat, 01 Aug 2015 16:06:24 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345173#post345173 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345173#post345173 the ailing Rock Star economy and the TPPA. ]]> Fri, 31 Jul 2015 14:08:44 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345165#post345165 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345165#post345165 How many tens of millions did this government spend to secure the presidency of the Security Council? McCully has stated that he wants to solve the middle-east crisis during his whole one month tenure. Maybe in his spare time he’ll find a cure for the common cold and come up… ]]> Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:56:03 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345160#post345160 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345160#post345160 NZ seems to have traded off on software patents. So short-sighted.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/open-source-leader-livid-at-tppa-software-patent-capitulation/

]]> Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:41:27 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345159#post345159 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345159#post345159 Sadly, I think that it will end up being signed no matter what in order to satisfy the egos of our negotiators.
And there are some big egos to fill. How many tens of millions did this government spend to secure the presidency of the Security Council? McCully has stated…

]]> Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:39:20 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345156#post345156 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345156#post345156 Yes it’s good and I don’t personally think there’s necessarily been a lack of MSM journos being concerned about the TPPA. But at the same time it’s getting hidden and obscured behind the magazine-style priorities...
Case in point... the main Herald headline at the moment is a story about [[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11471687|Max Key…

]]> Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:28:01 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345155#post345155 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345155#post345155 ....those who manage and design the pages don’t trust their own journalists to come up with good material
Like yesterday's Press front page layout – half page on Oprah Winfrey – for some reason needed to waste 20 column centimetres on a second same sized shot of Ms Winfrey but…

]]> Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:26:44 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345154#post345154 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345154#post345154 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:14:12 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345153#post345153 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345153#post345153 How does he get by on so little information?

The prospectuses of the multi-nationals benefiting from the TPPA, maybe?

]]> Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:13:59 +1200 Roger Lacey https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345149#post345149 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345149#post345149 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:02:41 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345147#post345147 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345147#post345147 Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:52:25 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345146#post345146 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345146#post345146 there is a season… churn, churn, churn
US, Canada and Japan are refusing to open up their protected dairy industries
US, Canadian (and Chinese too) Dairy farmers are already dumping their own surpluses – what room is there for our excess supply…

While milk is a unique growth stimulus –…

]]> Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:51:37 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345136#post345136 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345136#post345136 I've found one relevant headline on the front page of Stuff today — Dairy deal 'disastrous' as TPP talks near end — which reveals an unlikely ally for those opposed to the secretive and treacherous TPPA agreement.

Unlike the great unwashed, Federated Farmers dairy industry chairman Andrew Hoggard has a…

]]> Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:25:22 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345132#post345132 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345132#post345132 Sounds about right, the local weekly arrived yesterday, front page headline: Treated effluent gets the taste test

This morning I listened to some great coverage of the ongoing TPPA stuff from Morning Report. Then I loaded up Stuff to see a top page [[http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/70679881/Martin-Van-Beynen-A-man-and-his-pig-give-me-a-break|magazine opinion about some guy and his…

]]> Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:10:16 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345128#post345128 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345128#post345128 sarcastic tone. ]]> Fri, 31 Jul 2015 10:35:23 +1200 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345098#post345098 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345098#post345098 there are swathes of voters out there who simply don’t care because they have more immediate problems, and so on.

Sounds about right, the local weekly arrived yesterday, front page headline:

Treated effluent gets the taste test

Photo of two local councillors wearing visibility vests, one looks on as the…

]]> Fri, 31 Jul 2015 04:45:10 +1200 Andre https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345054#post345054 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345054#post345054 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:58:37 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345043#post345043 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345043#post345043 Given the arbitrariness of Stuff.co.nz moderation, there’s very little that can be extrapolated from such a limited number of voices

I'm also skeptical given how many times I've seem completely polarised discussions on Stuff, only to be followed by a discussion polarised the opposite way just a day later.

I…

]]> Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:25:01 +1200 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345032#post345032 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345032#post345032 Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:30:04 +1200 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345025#post345025 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345025#post345025 How does he get by on so little information?

Feeding your own prejudice requires no information – just a mouth.

]]> Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:47:17 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345020#post345020 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=345020#post345020 The odious Mike Hosking and some grudging coverage – even though he seems to still think we should just sign it and see what happens – wonder how many other things in his life he takes that cavalier approach to?
How does he get by on so little information?
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/how-does-the-tpp-affect-little-old-me-at-home-6364035.html

]]> Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:08:05 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344911#post344911 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344911#post344911 Don't get me started on the price of milk.
I've been saving this Tremain cartoon for the right moment. ;-)

]]> Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:25:42 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344905#post344905 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344905#post344905 There is of course an alternative. Raise taxes so that New Zealanders as a country can pay US Pharma companies.

Or just make Fonterra pay directly from all the extra profit it’ll supposedly be getting at the expense of most of the rest of us.

Heh.

]]> Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:53:54 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344904#post344904 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344904#post344904 That means less for everything else if government increases its subsidy, or higher user charges if it doesn’t.

There is of course an alternative. Raise taxes so that New Zealanders as a country can pay US Pharma companies.

It would be interesting if we had a real journalist in the…

]]> Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:44:37 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344873#post344873 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344873#post344873 Tue, 28 Jul 2015 15:43:56 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344869#post344869 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344869#post344869 Time Warp, anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umj0gu5nEGs

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 14:54:24 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344868#post344868 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344868#post344868 Pure Yes Minister – apart from the fact that it’s not funny.

Here it is in glorious televisual action. Some of the MPs in the background, behind Steven Joyce, were certainly laughing.

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 14:27:42 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344867#post344867 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344867#post344867 That’s okay! It’s only “a little bit longer”.

If we’ve been rolled on re-patenting, I’m told it’s an additional seven years that Pharmac can’t access a generic.

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:52:12 +1200 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344866#post344866 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344866#post344866 The financial colonisation of our country is the logical conclusion

I’m fairly certain that happened about 150 years ago.

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:45:56 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344865#post344865 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344865#post344865 I really hope this ludicrous spin doesn’t get a free pass, because it makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

Oceania has always been at war with Generic Drugs.


Problem is: People inside 1984 don’t get 1984 references. Only the unpeople do.

ETA: And of course, eventually, even the unpeople don't. We…

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:38:05 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344863#post344863 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344863#post344863 WTF?

Pure Yes Minister — apart from the fact that it's not funny.

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:29:10 +1200 Don Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344862#post344862 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344862#post344862 And just for the record, your local IT sector has been onto this for a wee while:

http://techblog.nz/223-UpdateonIntellectualPropertyandTPPA

Not just a bunch of checked shirted UX fanatics :-)

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:28:38 +1200 Rosemary McDonald https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344859#post344859 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344859#post344859 From your link...

Hon STEVEN JOYCE: It was not the Minister of Trade per se who misunderstood the speaker; it was the Minister who was speaking on the Minister’s behalf in Parliament yesterday who misunderstood the situation. He, of course, has been told by the Minister not to speak for…

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:19:17 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344858#post344858 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344858#post344858 Longer patent periods mean more NZ Health funding going into big pharma’s pockets.

That's okay! It's only "a little bit longer".

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 13:11:08 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344857#post344857 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344857#post344857 My understanding is that trade agreements don’t have to be ratified by Parliament. So talk of votes and how they stack up is moot.

You are correct.

But Parliament would have to pass changes likely to be required to existing legislation, such as the Copyright Act.

NB: From that link…

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:57:11 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344855#post344855 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344855#post344855 My understanding is that trade agreements don’t have to be ratified by Parliament. So talk of votes and how they stack up is moot.

I wonder whether Labour or the Greens would support a law change such that they did.

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:38:47 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344854#post344854 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344854#post344854 They have known this all along. Longer patent periods mean more NZ Health funding going into big pharma’s pockets. That means less for everything else if government increases its subsidy, or higher user charges if it doesn’t.

Or new drugs don't get funded because the budget has been eroded by…

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:30:42 +1200 Don Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344852#post344852 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344852#post344852 Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:20:34 +1200 Don Christie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344851#post344851 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344851#post344851 Tue, 28 Jul 2015 12:19:37 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344849#post344849 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344849#post344849 What planet is Key on? In some countries this level of treachery which will cost the country tens of millions each year for zero gain would inspire revolution.

Rod Oram also finds this backdown hard to believe.

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:55:34 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344848#post344848 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344848#post344848 Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:53:10 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344847#post344847 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344847#post344847 John Key now concedes that the TPP will increase the price of medicines to Pharmac, but it's okay because prescriptions will still only be $5 at the chemist.

I really hope this ludicrous spin doesn't get a free pass, because it makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:40:46 +1200 Andre https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344836#post344836 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344836#post344836 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 23:50:43 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344833#post344833 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344833#post344833 Oh, but he's not being racist, so it's OK. ]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 22:53:44 +1200 simon g https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344832#post344832 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344832#post344832 According to our classy Prime Minister, the Labour Party has a mental illness:

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/key-says-labour-s-demand-for-foreign-buyers-ban-schizophrenic-q03214

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 22:16:34 +1200 Rob Stowell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344831#post344831 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344831#post344831 Might be good for NZ’s few large professional services multinationals looking to crack the govt sector in some signatory nations.
I think there might be a few in tertiary education who think it could be their chance to conquer the world. Scary, really.

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 21:35:39 +1200 linger https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344830#post344830 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344830#post344830 this agreement makes it hard to get rid of SercoSerco is not fulfilling its side of the contract. That should be the end of the story. That it hasn't been so far is probably down to ministerial ass-covering (as suggested by I/S). ]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 21:24:55 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344825#post344825 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344825#post344825 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:54:36 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344824#post344824 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344824#post344824 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 19:53:29 +1200 Andrew R266 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344823#post344823 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344823#post344823 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:54:58 +1200 Andrew R266 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344822#post344822 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344822#post344822 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:53:09 +1200 Andrew R266 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344821#post344821 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344821#post344821 I think that answer is a fudge.

If Labour votes against TPPA but National joins up anyway, then Labour simply has to leave the TPPA. No way should it be held to commitments made ny National that are not in New Zealand's interest. As for the possibility of penalties for…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 18:48:36 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344815#post344815 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344815#post344815 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:08:58 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344811#post344811 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344811#post344811 The first question to ask is what good it is to us. None, from what I can tell.

Might be good for NZ's few large professional services multinationals looking to crack the govt sector in some signatory nations. So long as they don't mind US IP laws applying to them.…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 16:15:19 +1200 Morgan Nichol https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344808#post344808 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344808#post344808 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:23:46 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344805#post344805 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344805#post344805 Pottery, textiles, leather industry ... the list is long

Pardon? Could you possibly add some context to that list.

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:09:12 +1200 Naturesong https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344803#post344803 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344803#post344803 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:40:17 +1200 TracyMac https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344802#post344802 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344802#post344802 I have to agree: why are we debating what's wrong with the TPP?

The first question to ask is what good it is to us. None, from what I can tell.

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:38:52 +1200 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344801#post344801 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344801#post344801 About as useful as the ‘keep talking’ outcome of that Constitutional review that was part of the Māori Party coalition agreement with National;

http://www.ourconstitution.org.nz/

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:36:21 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344795#post344795 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344795#post344795 Well Dunne can be relied on to be a "willing seller" at the right price?

The Māori Party will probably be kept happy if the TPPA gets translated into Te Reo. After all, the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act is pretty much the F&S Act, just with a couple…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:18:01 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344794#post344794 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344794#post344794 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:15:19 +1200 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344793#post344793 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344793#post344793 Jane Kelsey on Labour's position;

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11487555

Trying to have a foot in both camps doesn't cut it for me either.

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 14:12:28 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344784#post344784 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344784#post344784 As I say, perhaps think about why you are getting no pickup on that allegation. Plenty of stronger cases right now to rally opposition to this disgusting agreement.

Indeed. Key's Bank of America shareholding may be a legacy of his former employment at Merrill Lynch (BoA acquired Merrill in 2008),…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:45:03 +1200 kiwicmc https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344783#post344783 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344783#post344783 You mean prioritising the needs of all New Zealanders (consumers) over the needs of the rich businessmen (exporters).

How did you mange to make the leap from exporter to "rich businessmen"? My 5 person software development company exports 100% of it's services overseas...

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:41:20 +1200 Joe Boden https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344782#post344782 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344782#post344782 numbers don’t matter

Excellent, government by fiat. :(

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:39:57 +1200 bob daktari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344781#post344781 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344781#post344781 numbers don't matter

Assuming the government puts the TPPA to a vote in the House (which it doesn't have to do) a 'no' vote by Labour would have no legal effect because the Executive alone has the power to ratify."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/trade/news/article.cfm?c_id=96&objectid=11487555

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:38:35 +1200 Joe Boden https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344778#post344778 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344778#post344778 After Northland, National’s 59 + ACT’s 1 is not enough in a 121 seat Parliament. They need Dunne or the Maori Party, too.

They might get Dunne, but I can't see how they would get the Maori Party.

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:29:45 +1200 Andre https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344777#post344777 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344777#post344777 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:29:25 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344774#post344774 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344774#post344774 borderline madness…
Is this a reasonable claim that it’s mostly incompatible demands by the USA which are the problem
Them, and Japan who joined in our humble P4 negotiations (which started as P3) even later than the US – and I consider The US to be a ‘cuckoo-in-the-nest’ leaving their…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:05:20 +1200 Rob Salmond https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344773#post344773 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344773#post344773 If National and ACT are the only parties to support TPP, will it pass? I don’t have the numbers in front of me.

After Northland, National's 59 + ACT's 1 is not enough in a 121 seat Parliament. They need Dunne or the Maori Party, too.

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:52:23 +1200 Rob Salmond https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344772#post344772 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344772#post344772 What I’m not hearing from Labour is whether or not they will withdraw from the treaty if it is signed by National and they subsequently regain power.

That really depends on (1) what the treaty says about exit; and (2) how long it has been in force. If the treaty…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:50:37 +1200 Rob Salmond https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344771#post344771 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344771#post344771 You mean prioritising the needs of all New Zealanders (consumers) over the needs of the rich businessmen (exporters).

Trade barriers in almost every form benefit the rich over the poor in both directions.

I think you'll find those exporters all have employees, many of whom are low wage, who lost…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:48:05 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344766#post344766 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344766#post344766 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:36:55 +1200 Penny Bright https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344765#post344765 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344765#post344765 I don't know about yourself Sacha – but I've attended four International Anti-Corruption Conferences, listened to and met the experts, read voluminous material and 'put my mind to the New Zealand situation.

'Misuse of public office for private gain' is a commonly used definition of corrupt practice.

Here – so…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:34:16 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344763#post344763 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344763#post344763 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:23:10 +1200 izogi https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344762#post344762 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344762#post344762 And while your noting history maybe you should highlight Labour’s role in starting this debacle and tell us why we should think the same people who started us down the road to the TPP should now be trusted to stop it.

I've seen comments from various places that the TPPA…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:12:33 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344757#post344757 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344757#post344757 What I'm not hearing from Labour is whether or not they will withdraw from the treaty if it is signed by National and they subsequently regain power.

They made the occasional sympathetic noise over Ruth Richardson's savaging of benefits, but never offered any redress when it was in their power.…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:36:04 +1200 Penny Bright https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344756#post344756 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344756#post344756 FYI

Seems that my little one person 'vigil' outside the 79th National Party Conference held at Sky City in Auckland, Saturday 25 July 2015, helped to cause a bit of discussion among some of the 700 National Party delegates?

I was told that I would be surprised at the number…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:35:57 +1200 Penny Bright https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344755#post344755 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344755#post344755 Why does there seem to be an effective MSM blackout – on the FACT that NZ Prime Minister John Key is a shareholder in the Bank of America?

This is clearly stated on the 2015 Register of Financial Interests for NZ MPs.

How is this not an arguably CORRUPT 'conflict…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:34:56 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344754#post344754 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344754#post344754 what's actually in this for NZ. The only hint so far has been the very distant possibility of better access to the US market for our primary produce.… ]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:33:14 +1200 Joe Boden https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344751#post344751 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344751#post344751 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:25:52 +1200 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344750#post344750 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344750#post344750 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:25:48 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344748#post344748 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344748#post344748 because doing so involves prioritising the needs of consumers over the needs of exporters

You mean prioritising the needs of all New Zealanders (consumers) over the needs of the rich businessmen (exporters).

Trade barriers in almost every form benefit the rich over the poor in both directions.

Note I also…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:12:51 +1200 Rob Salmond https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344745#post344745 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344745#post344745 So your logic is: we should not have done what was morally correct then because nobody else was bothering to do it.

Er, no, that's not my logic. I don't accept that unilateral free trade is "morally correct," because doing so involves prioritising the needs of consumers over the needs…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:02:13 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344744#post344744 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344744#post344744 First, New Zealand has no credible bargaining chips on free trade. When we ask another country to make a concession, and they ask “or you’ll do what?,” we have no answer. That’s because New Zealand unilaterally dismantled most of its tariffs and other trade barriers in the 1990s, without asking… ]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:51:05 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344740#post344740 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344740#post344740 In any case, the Pacific trade deal isn’t really about trade. Some already low tariffs would come down, but the main thrust of the proposed deal involves strengthening intellectual property rights — things like drug patents and movie copyrights — and changing the way companies and countries settle disputes. And… ]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:39:06 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344738#post344738 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344738#post344738 I guess we could always threaten to add back in some trade restrictions

exactly what the ISDS part of the agreement is designed to prevent

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:11:09 +1200 Katharine Moody https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344736#post344736 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344736#post344736 Beverage groups sues city of San Francisco;

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11487414

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:31:43 +1200 Rob Salmond https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344735#post344735 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344735#post344735 Why do you believe that the US Senate needs to ratify the TPPA? Doesn’t it, along with the House, just have to pass an implementing bill under the trade promotion authority?

Dammit, Edgelered again! You are right, of course. Please substitute "agree to" for "ratify."

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:19:56 +1200 Rob Salmond https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344734#post344734 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344734#post344734 Well – I guess we could always threaten to add back in some trade restrictions..

That would be a bit of an empty threat now that the uncompetitive industries we were previously protecting have now pretty much died (e.g. domestic car manufacturing)

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:18:01 +1200 Graeme Edgeler https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344733#post344733 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344733#post344733 Yes, it is possible there will be a TPPA agreement that the Senate can ratify, and that several other countries can ratify, too.

Why do you believe that the US Senate needs to ratify the TPPA? Doesn't it, along with the House, just have to pass an implementing bill under…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:47:47 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344731#post344731 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344731#post344731 Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:31:12 +1200 Harry Musgrave https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344729#post344729 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344729#post344729 First, New Zealand has no credible bargaining chips on free trade. When we ask another country to make a concession, and they ask “or you’ll do what?,” we have no answer. That’s because New Zealand unilaterally dismantled most of its tariffs and other trade barriers in the 1990s, without asking… ]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:15:31 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344728#post344728 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/polity-too-much-to-swallow-on-the-tpp/?p=344728#post344728 Discussion from blog post.

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